Bud Washing

I wish I had this info about the lights sooner, I hung my branches on string right under my hps thinking that I wouldn't be using that light til my next grow, oh well, no lights for this wash. I'll know better next time lol.:thanks: :Namaste:

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T5's, LED's, HPS....anything that would cause a bit of photosythesis. I theorize that with the wash, the buds can make more sugars and of course there's nowhere for them to go....better flavor.

Doc, thanks for passing on your experience and thoughts. I'm really trying to understand and improve my curing process.

I was a bit surprised to read the FDA recommends drying herbs in the dark with still air. I've always done the opposite with my cannabis.
I assume using still air is to help prevent mold spores from moving between batches. This is not really a problem at the scale of plant processing we normally do.

Darkness would stop all photosynthesis. As long as water, nutrients and light are available, the plant's chemistry will continue to function.
With water in short supply, the enzymes involved in photosynthesis don't move about the plant as well and, eventually, stop working. If the photo pigments continue to absorb light, it causes highly reactive molecules to build up which eventually kills the cells. Essentially, you will flood the plant's cells with unused, highly reactive, toxic fuel from the chloroplasts.

With that in mind, I'd say limited light after harvest is helpful, too much light probably damages the buds.
(Maybe this kind of cell damage improves flavor, I don't know. Curing is a mystery to me.)

Perhaps the whole plant should sit a day or three in plain water under the lights after cutting if the goal is to use up as much stored nutrients as possible. Like cut flowers, smaller buds can continue to mature after the oldest ones have peaked and been harvested.
 
Ok, I washed and hung like I said in previous post. I let hang for about 24 hours, I can't believe how dry they were, damn, almost too dry. So I started to trim sugar leaves and had a helluva time trimming, the leaves had all curled around the buds and it was a total bitch to trim. Did anyone else have that problem?

It was bad enough where I'm not sure I'll wash again.
 
Ok, I washed and hung like I said in previous post. I let hang for about 24 hours, I can't believe how dry they were, damn, almost too dry. So I started to trim sugar leaves and had a helluva time trimming, the leaves had all curled around the buds and it was a total bitch to trim. Did anyone else have that problem?

It was bad enough where I'm not sure I'll wash again.

With till the buds are totally dry and the trim is easy.
 
With till the buds are totally dry and the trim is easy.

The buds were very crispy, they were to the point of crumbling in my fingers when I gently squeezed them, but the stalks were very wet. I had to jar them to get the buds back to some form of softness, I have some in a bag that I haven't trimmed yet, we'll see how those are tomorrow.

Doc, what are the leaves supposed to do? Will they stand up straight when dry for easy trimming or what?

Thanks Doc!
 
they aren't ready

The buds were very crispy, they were to the point of crumbling in my fingers when I gently squeezed them, but the stalks were very wet. I had to jar them to get the buds back to some form of softness, I have some in a bag that I haven't trimmed yet, we'll see how those are tomorrow.

Doc, what are the leaves supposed to do? Will they stand up straight when dry for easy trimming or what?

Thanks Doc!

wait until the stalks snap. if they are wet, the buds will pull moisture from them and they will dry evenly the next couple days.

its hard to trim because it isn't ready by a longshot.
 
If I had to guess, I believe he may have used the H2O2 wash as well. I did this last year and same thing, very fast dry time, but I trimmed it down immediately after the wash so I never let it get that far.
 
Ok , go ahead and laugh at me, but I'm telling you, the fucking buds were dry, at least the outside sugar leaves were anyway, and no planet j, I don't live in a dessicant, happy now? Temps were at about 60 to 65 degrees, RH was between 35 and 45. The fan was on at its lowest setting , oscillating as well.
This used to be a good group, since when is it cool to make fun of other people's findings?
 
Ok, I washed and hung like I said in previous post. I let hang for about 24 hours, I can't believe how dry they were, damn, almost too dry. So I started to trim sugar leaves and had a helluva time trimming, the leaves had all curled around the buds and it was a total bitch to trim. Did anyone else have that problem?

It was bad enough where I'm not sure I'll wash again.

This happened to me to gryzz. I normally trim the sugar leaves after the buds have dried from the wash and no water comes out if you give them a little shake. To me it is much easier to trim the sugar leaves after this. Once I got busy and they were left to dry with lights on for I think 5 hours and yes the sugar leaves laid against the buds and was a pain in the ass to trim. I won't let them sit that long again.

I hope this doesn't steer you away from washing. Just trim after an hour from letting them hang dry.
 
Ok , go ahead and laugh at me, but I'm telling you, the fucking buds were dry, at least the outside sugar leaves were anyway, and no planet j, I don't live in a dessicant, happy now? Temps were at about 60 to 65 degrees, RH was between 35 and 45. The fan was on at its lowest setting , oscillating as well.
This used to be a good group, since when is it cool to make fun of other people's findings?

Dude .. I was not trying to make fun of you ... I was just shocked at your findings, and wonder what is going on in your drying area .. given the fact that they hardly dry the first 24h over here. Your RH is pretty low tho, so that might explain it, combined with the fan.

I am sorry if you perceived me as bitching at you .. I truly am.
 
In post #1, Hiker stated that he let his buds dry for 24 hours before trimming and seeing as how no one contradicted him i assumed that was the right way especially after seeing how dry my buds were, now Doc is saying he let's them hang til they are thoroughly dry before trimming, you can see my confusion. Hanging til dry was the way I always did it but prior to washing I never had buds dry so quick before. I trimmed about half of my buds and they are now in jars, the other half is in paper bags, should I go ahead and rehang as usual and wait til stems are dry?
 
With 35-45% RH AND a fan blowing you are drying way too fast to be waiting for stems to snap. A proper cure depends on it staying somewhat humid. If you wait until stems snap you will have no cure at all you have a fast dry. Those of us with low humidity can dry this way: hang until outside dries but not crunchy then trim and transfer to closed paper bags. Take them out of bags and back in and keep them loose and it will slow dry in bag. When they get down to 65%rh I move them to jars. Stems still do not snap. In jars seal them to check RH and see it go up as they equalize. Then burp jars back down to 62-65 then seal them up with boveda 62 and leave alone for a month or more.
 
To be clear I would wait 5-8 days in about 65% RH and the stems WILL snap while the buds will be ready to cure with jars/boveda packs/paper bags/your favorite method.

IMO that first week is not curing, its drying to trim. The most important parts of curing happen the following 3-6 weeks imo.

To the other guys who are in a hurry, those sugar leaves will pull away from the buds as they get crispy and become much easier to trim. Usually 24 hours after pull they are almost unmanageable and stay that way for a day or 2 more. If you aren't gonna fuck with sugar leaves within 20 minutes of cutting the stem, they become a real shitshow for about 3-4 days following so you choose one or the other (IME).
 
Getting 65% RH in my house in Canadian winter would require a lot of humidifiers and/or a dedicated humidor drying area... I put one $40 humidifier running non stop in my basement and it went from 32% to 34%...
So those of us in dry winter climates without humidor drying rooms or industrial humidifiers find it best to dry in paper bags...
 
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