Blue Dream & OG Kush Clone First Grow

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hi,
herbie ships from the UK and you wont have any problems getting the seeds, ive not heard of anyone having problems, i get mine next day but thats because im in the uk. so you can more than trust herbies, seeds are sold as souvineers only like most seed banks so their is no problems that way, plus its secure and you will have no problems getting them.

femenised seeds you can clone and will be the same as the parent, if you bought regular seeds and you had a female then as you know this can also be cloned,
autos are different, autos dont grow according to light schedule, so you can grow an auto under constant light from seed to harvest, how ever i have found giving them a dark period helps produce bigger plants and bigger yields,
so autos you cant clone, you cant keep them in veg, they have a growing period and will flower under any lighting schedule you use, they dont need 12-12 to flower, your best to not do anything to autos, any removing leaves of training will stunt growth and affect yield,

now some autos give poor yields, ive had as little as an 8th from an auto abut then ive had as much as 2oz, i grew the very cheap kc45 auto and cost me £10 for 10 seeds or their abouts, so a very cheap auto but their not femenised, i grew them under 24-0 and got very poor results, around 1/4oz per plant at harvest, then i grew them under 12-12 from seed to harvest and got 2oz per plant,

so autos you cant clone and you dont want to do to much training to them, when you look at the yields on the seed band it says per meter sq, which is a sea of green grow with many plants, so if you have 50 plants and get 10g dry per plant then thats 250g dry per sqft or sq meter or what it says, if it tells you per plant then it means per plant but usually its sog which means many plants grown in small pots in a small space,

so autos can yield small and can yield big, i know big bang autos averages around 4oz per plant, a few growers on this site grew big bang auto and they hit 4oz per plant everytime, so i know that strain yields well, but their are many auto strains to try, some ive found start flowering at 2 weeks old and some flower at 6 weeks old, so its a bit hit and miss, their also not the most stable strain,

at the moment im trying to produce my own autos,
ive crossed ken estes gdp which is an amazing strain, so if you want a nice strain ken estes gdp is a very nice strain but not femenised, also any of subcools strains are damn nice as well, also sold on herbies just use the search box and search for ken estes and you will find his strains like gdp and bay11 which is a sativa strain, if you search for subcool you will find his strains and he produced some very nice strains,

anyways im trying to produce my own autos, ive been crossing plants for a while and producing my own strains, ive crossed ken estes gdp with a purple cheese auto, so 1/4 of the seeds will turn out auto so ill find out which ones are auto and cross a male and female and produce an auto gdp cheese that i can work with to try and produce a nice gdp cheese auto strain, so i got some of them seeds growing out now so i can grow out the autos,

ive also been collecting pollen from a big male kc45 auto and ive got a kc45 auto female in flower which ill turn to seed and ive also got an auto bubble fem and auto northern lights fem growing so ill turn these to seed as well,

my plans are to make a nice gdp cheese auto and gdp cheese none auto, then im trying to make a big yielding auto out of the kc45 seeds and the other 2 fem auto seeds, so i got a long way to go but im sure ill get their in the end,

if you dont want males then you need to go with the femenised seeds and femenised autos, but autos you cant clone, you can cross a male and female to produce more auto seeds but cloning is not something that can be done as you cant keep an auto in veg and you cant put an auto back into veg once its started flower,

they grow according to age in days or age in light hours, its something im working on finding out due to results ive been getting but thats another story, but autos have a certain life span so will grow and flower then die, you cant reveg or keep them in veg till they get bigger, they will either get big and flower or stay small and flower.

but if you want one that yields well then big bang auto is one of the biggest yields ive come across for an indoor auto
 
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Thanks for the quick response. Does he ship to the USA and I'm thinking I'm going to get one auto and 2 fems I just took a quick look at his sight. I also seen with any order you get 3 free seeds so that will be 6 which I think is pretty good
 
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I'm also going to be updating a pic of the roots tonight they are growing fast now I think my pots are slowing the growth next time I plant I'm going to make more holes or get a proper net pot
 
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yep he ships to the US,

and your right about the free seeds, even if you buy just 1 seed for £1 or $2 then you wil always get 3 seeds from, you will always get 1 xfem or auto fem and the other 2 will be regular seeds, at the minute the regular seeds are white widow x skunk#1, this is a new strain coming out and looks a very nice plant to grow, i got 2 growing now and their the best looking plants ive grown so far, id say the leaves are perfect, cant fault it at all, herbie says its a new strain been released but not yet for sale, so it will have a new name,

so yep the free seeds offer is great, sometimes i just buy 1 seed to get the 3 free seeds as their always good strains, if you spend more then you get more free which i find is much better than other seed banks offers, i ended up with lots of free seeds with my last order, 5 white widow x skunk, some love potion seeds and another couple of fem seeds but i ordered a lot more seeds this time round,

so your cant go far wrong with herbies, just let him know your part of this site and everything will be ok, his customer service is the best i have ever come across, if all companies where like this then we would all be very happy indeed.

so yep he ships to the US, a lot of growers buy from herbies, he seeds are delivered discreet and secure so their wont be any problems with you getting them, ive not heard of anyone having problems, plus i find his prices really good and been able to buy single seeds is good as you dont always want packs of 10 or more. if you really like a strain or start breeding and need some males then buy 10 or buy a 3 or 4 regular seeds, but ive only bought 1 pack of 10 autos as its a strain im going to work with due to how well it grows but usually i just pick some strains that i like the look and sound of, ive found the cheaper seeds always end up nice plants, im not sure how they work their prices out as it dont cost anymore to produce 1 seed than it does another but you can pay a lot of money for some seeds,

but cant comment on the £75 per seed seeds as ive not tried them yet, im happy with the results i get and i produce some very nice buds
 
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Ok so I think I'm going to order just one seed for now and get the 3 free.. The boss aka my girlfriend said I have to buy one first to make sure they work n don't get ripped off.. She's a paranoid about me ordering stuff lol but i am think about making my own diy carbon scrubber.. If you scroll up and look at my set up with the pic of the blanket up I'm thinking about putting Mylar up n cutting a hole out for vent but I don't want that to raise the temps... So I might so go to diy n get a 250cfm fan but I do not want it to be loud does anyone know of a fan that I can use what type fan quiet fans and hopefully cheap
 
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Here is an update in the roots. They are starting to grow really fast. They are white and getting really thick. Also the dry sheets are working pretty good.. No more smell around my apartment it's kind sad but oh we'll.. I'm going to build my own carbon scrubber here soon as well as make my own cool tube. I'm wondering how much this will drop my temp tho I'm hoping it will drop 5 or ten degrees or more. So let me no what you think. Also I'm still worried I might have made my plant go hermie I'm getting nervous I hope not. My plant smells tho like reeks of skunk when u put ur nose by that stem it's a strong smell so let me know everyone and keep in touch and let me no if you have a journal going on ill check it out
 
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I have also ordered nirvana as well and attitude seed bank is pretty helpfull when it comes to picking different flavors. I got the blue mystics I'm growing noware from nirvana and I'm happy with their product.
 
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roots look very healthy,

cant help with fans as i dont use any squirel fans which i think is what you need, all i use is 12v computer fans but these are just used to blow across the plants and not move air from the room, so im sure someone else will jump in.

you wont get ripped off by herbies, no one has ever had any problems with buying seeds from him or with having seeds that dont germ, if their are any issues just contact herbie and the seeds will be replaced in the next order, ive bought hundreds of seeds and i had 1 that was badly deformed when it grew but a lot of other growers had the same problem with this certain breeders seeds, so not just herbies was having the problem it was all to do with one breeder who was supplying seeds to all the seed banks, so herbie replaced that seed,

the next seed i had a problem with was a femenised jack flash, it turned out male now herbie didnt have to replace either seed but he replaced the seed above and also the jack flash seed, their called femenised as it is always possible you will get the odd male, not likely but it does and can happen, anyways i told herbie the seed was not souvineer quality he sent 2 to replace it in my next order, same strain just from a different breeder, he said no other buyers had reported problems with fem seeds from that batch so either i was unlucky and got the male or their was a mix up, either way the seed was replaced with 2 x jack flash fem which i got growing now and are fem and in flower.

ive not heard of anyone who has had any problems with herbies, his customer service is some of the best around,
 
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it was the blue mystic that i had genetic problems with and so did many other growers, this was going back 12 months, when i grew mine all the leaves where deformed and it stopped growing at about 5 inches high and many other growers on this site and others where having the same problems, i cant remember which breeder they was from but their in my first journal, ill try and find out but this was going back more than 12 months and herbie pulled the whole batch from sale due to many customers saying the same as i was plus other seed banks where also getting the same complaints so all was replaced with the same strain but from a different breeder,

what you need to remember is when one breeder brings out a strain another breeder gets hold of the strain and produces the same strain but under their own name, this is well known among a few growers that this goes on, they just produce their own version of it from the original and sell it under their own name,

so most strains are the same if their the same name, some might very if they try and improve on it by increasing yield by crossing it with something like ak47 then back crossing so their may be slight differences,

but you also need to remember that most strains have at least 2 pheno types, so you could grow 10 femenised skunk#1 seeds and you could end up with 2 or 3 different looking plants,

for example if you buy a purple strain you might grow out 10 seeds and 5 have the purple pheno and the other 5 dont have the purple pheno, so their will always be slight differences in the strains you buy depending on which pheno type your seed turns out to be
 
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just let herbie know i recomended you to him from this site and you will be ok, you wont have any problems with the seeds, im more than happy with the seeds and the customer service is the best ive had from any company, if all companies had service like that then everyone would be very happy indeed, ive only tried a couple of seed banks but not had any problems with any of them, i just find herbies has lower prices on his single seeds and his free seed offer is one of the best around
 
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ok now for your roots, what do you think is wrong with your roots, they look fine to me, as long as their is plenty of oxygen from the pump and stone and the temps are kept cool then the roots will do very well,

another thing i found that increases the root mass is to not keep the res topped up, i fill my res up then i let it run low before refilling it, when my plants get big they drink the whole res in 24 hours, so their using around 1.5lt every 24 to 36 hours when their over 1ft high,

so if you keep the res topped up then the roots dont need to grow as they are getting what they need, so this slows down root growth as they dont need to search for the water, so i let me res pretty much run down to the last inch or 2 before i top if back up, as long as the bubbles are splashing water on the roots then they will keep growing, even if the top half is not in any water the roots will be still taking in the water and nutrients as long as some of them are in the water,

so when i kept my res topped up everyday i found the roots did not develop as quick and i had much less root mass, so i fill my res up and at the minute my plants are small and the roots are just dipping in the res at the moment as ive only just started the dwc i got growing now, im running an auto in the dwc this time to see how it does, so at the minute the res is lasting a long time, but i make sure the roots are just at the top of the water in the res, this then encourages the roots to grow as they want to find the water again, so as the plants get bigger they use the water up quicker so i then fill the res every 3 days or so depending on how much their drinking, but letting the res run lower forces the roots to grow so they can find the water again,

thats the only way ive managed to get my roots to bulk up, when i first tried dwc i kept topping the res up every day so the plant was in constant water, but i then started letting the res run lower so then the roots started growing out of the pot a lot more and the roots mass got a lot bigger, i think its all down to the roots trying to find the water again like the do in soil,
 
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Thanks for the comment and yeah everyone seems to like herbie so I'm going to mention a few people on here to him cause it sounds like he's very reliable. Thanks again for the sub
 
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ok now for your roots, what do you think is wrong with your roots, they look fine to me, as long as their is plenty of oxygen from the pump and stone and the temps are kept cool then the roots will do very well,

another thing i found that increases the root mass is to not keep the res topped up, i fill my res up then i let it run low before refilling it, when my plants get big they drink the whole res in 24 hours, so their using around 1.5lt every 24 to 36 hours when their over 1ft high,

so if you keep the res topped up then the roots dont need to grow as they are getting what they need, so this slows down root growth as they dont need to search for the water, so i let me res pretty much run down to the last inch or 2 before i top if back up, as long as the bubbles are splashing water on the roots then they will keep growing, even if the top half is not in any water the roots will be still taking in the water and nutrients as long as some of them are in the water,

so when i kept my res topped up everyday i found the roots did not develop as quick and i had much less root mass, so i fill my res up and at the minute my plants are small and the roots are just dipping in the res at the moment as ive only just started the dwc i got growing now, im running an auto in the dwc this time to see how it does, so at the minute the res is lasting a long time, but i make sure the roots are just at the top of the water in the res, this then encourages the roots to grow as they want to find the water again, so as the plants get bigger they use the water up quicker so i then fill the res every 3 days or so depending on how much their drinking, but letting the res run lower forces the roots to grow so they can find the water again,

thats the only way ive managed to get my roots to bulk up, when i first tried dwc i kept topping the res up every day so the plant was in constant water, but i then started letting the res run lower so then the roots started growing out of the pot a lot more and the roots mass got a lot bigger, i think its all down to the roots trying to find the water again like the do in soil,

Thank you for the detailed info. I'm doing to try your method it seem to make alot of sense. I never thought of it n I always kept my res up but I have heard that if you don't change your res water once a week then the nute get used up and have to add more... My question is how do you add nutes if you don't know the exact amount of water in the res. my plant prolly won't drink the hole bucket in a week. I've never tried so I guess I'll find out but I don't feel they will right now cause the stress I put on them in the beginning.
 
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If you use a control bucket, checking and changing is very easy and not stressful to your roots, but if not you'll have to lift the net pot up, or even out to check/change. The way I've used just once is to make a note of everything that you put into the water, nutes and other additives. Check the PPM and write that down, check the pH and write that down, check the water level and write that down. Every so often check all these levels to see what has dropped. If the PPM has dropped substantially, but the water level has not so much, than they're eating more than drinking. If the water has dropped and the PPM increases or stays near the same, they are drinking more than eating. Change in pH can also give you an idea what's going on if your nute mix changes the pH when you add it. I like to use a silica product that severely brings the water into the alkaline, so if my water starts heading to alkaline, I know the plants are drinking more and not using so much silica which could then tell me not to add so much silica next time I top off. I'm a noob too, now growing in both soil and hydro. I have 1 mom in soil, 4 seedlings and 2 clones is aeroponics. I do a lot of reading and research of anything to do with canna-botany so this stuff seems to sponge in my brain pretty good, (though you should definitely wait for one of the vets to weigh in before taking my thoughts as gospel).

About your carbon filter, I made one from activated carbon in a mesh bag that had a zipper, roughly the size of a Qp in a ziplock bag full. I then took that and lodged it into a 4" PVC slip x slip 90° elbow with 2 PVC grates on both ends. I didn't glue the grates into the elbow to make change outs easier, so Ijust wrapped the circumference with duct tape and folded it over. I had already cut a 4" hole into my grow box, but the elbow didn't fit, so I got a square piece of wood that I opened up just a bit more than 4" with a jigsaw, and the elbow with the tape acting as a furring agent fit in snugly. I then screwed the smaller board over the center of the exhaust hole in my grow box. My room no longer stinks to high heaven, but there is still a bit of an odor, so maybe Ona gel or a febreeze mister are in my near future. Also I want you to know that I use 2 PC fans, each rated for 110 CFM and they do move free standing air fairly well, but when tasked to push air over the carbon filled elbow, the outlet air I can tell is strained severely. The carbon filled elbow is creating a substantial amount of back pressure which decreases efficiency. I have to keep my room pretty cold throughout the time the lights are on to maintain a favorable temperature in the grow box located in my closet. My grow box is 16" x 30", and the main chamber is 5' high, with a clone/veg chamber that is 2' high. 1 PC fan pulls stinky heated air up to the clone box and the other fan is mounted right on the exhaust port, just before the elbow. Prior to the elbow, I've had noise problems from the PC fans, but that was fixed with the carbon filled elbow. So now I have low noise and low smell, but neither factor has been completely resolved.

For you to effectively use a carbon filter, you'll need a definable box (memory escapes me if you already have that) that has 4 sides, a top and bottom. You'll need an intake and exhaust port. intake on bottom for the coolest air, and exhaust on top to bleed off the most heat. I chose to mount my carbon filter outside my box with the fan in series before that, but most other growers have their filter somewhere in their box/tent with the fan pulling air through it. I wanted to keep the noisiest component inside for the noise dampening quality of my wooden box in a closet. If you're looking to save a buck, check out my journal as nearly everything is DIY.
 
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what i do is this,

my nutes say add so much to a gallon of water, well i only need to mix up 2ltrs worth which is half a gallon roughly, so i add half the stated dose then i fill my res up, then when the res is nearly empty i throw out whats left and fill it back up again with fresh nutes, i dont keep topping the nutrients up, i let the res run low which encourages the roots to grow and find the water then when its low enough i throw it out and refill with fresh nutes.

if i was running a big dwc or hydro system then id check ppm and ph daily,

but i just run some 2ltr dwc, i mix up my nutes at the stated dose for the age of the plants, fill the res and check the level every day if the plant is big or if its in seedling or early veg then i check the res every 3 or 4 days as their is not much roots so it dont use the water up as quick, but if i keep topping the res up then the roots dont grow that quick as they dont need to find the water as their all ready in the water, so letting the res run low makes the air stone splash the water on the roots and this encourages the roots to grow down to find the nutrient rich water again,

you can mix up a gallon of water and then fill the res up then just top up as needed as you wont be adding any more nutrients as its all come from the same batch, so if i mixed up a gallon of nutrients i could fill up the res then if i wanted to i could top it up each day from the same batch of nutes and the levels would be the same, its no different to having the roots in a whole gallon of water, so adding extra from the same batch wont cause any problems, its when you top the res up with a new batch that the levels will increase,

so its really up to you what you do with it, you can either keep topping it up every day or 2 days and grow that way or let the level get a bit lower then either top up or throw the last bit away and refill, but i mix up my nutes in batches of 2ltrs then water my plants and fill the dwc, then when it runs low or if its 4 or 5 days old then ill usually throw it out and refill with fresh nutes or if the plant in the dwc is only small then ill use the water to water my other plants with from the res then fill the res with fresh nutes.

either method will work well but i only let mine run low as i found the roots got more mass when they had to search for the water just like they do in soil, but once the 2ltr plants get into flower they drink a res full of liquid within 24 to 36 hours so the roots are constantly looking for more water, as long as you keep on top of it it dont stress the plants, but letting them run dry to many times can make the flowering plant turn hermie, so i check the res everyday in flower and when its down to the last couple if inches i throw out whats in theri and refill with fresh nutes, but ive only checked ph once when i first started growing and that was 2 years ago, ive never checked ppm but if i started having problems with the dwc then id buy a ppm and get it checked, but ive had no problems with the dwc as of yet so not needed to check anything
 
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