Bill C-45: Canada's Legalization, The Drama Revs Up

[Ian Bastage]

Ontario . . .

The first stores have been identified, so we are moving forward!

UPDATE: ONTARIO CANNABIS STORE

Ian

 

[Guy Cavallero]

Figures, 200 k from me in any direction. Look forward to the store list, purely for eye candy and ideas lol.

 

[Old Salt]

...and The Second Cup wants in on the money... They want to convert some of their coffee shops into cannabis dispensaries. This probably won't be coming to provinces that have limited sales to government vendors such as Ontario, and Nova Scotia.

 

[bluter]

the money, influence, and people involved in the legal roll out will ensure weed is screwed up forever in canada. it's gonna be years before the gov't, the market, and the consumer finally get it worked out.

 

[odam2k]

...and The Second Cup wants in on the money... They want to convert some of their coffee shops into cannabis dispensaries. This probably won't be coming to provinces that have limited sales to government vendors such as Ontario, and Nova Scotia.

You beat me to this

I wonder, if Ford wins in Ontario, how soon can he privatize pot sales? Could he?

 

[Itibitiguy]

I heard Ford wants it to be a free market

 

[bluter]

I wonder, if Ford wins in Ontario, how soon can he privatize pot sales? Could he?

he could. guaranteed you wouldn't like who gets to do it tho. so far that is the case in most provinces, regardless of political affiliation. the major investment involved in my entire region was previously all tied up in the energy sector, has strong ties to deep conservatism, and was active in extreme prohibition previously.

a whiff of cash trumps all.

 

[Old Salt]

N.S. court strikes down human rights decision over prescription use of medical marijuana.

Basically medical marijuana was prescribed for an on the job injury. The insurance company refused coverage. He sued and won. The insurance company challenged the decision in the Supreme Court of Nova Scotia. The court upheld the insurance company's original decision saying "the plan did not cover medical marijuana because it was not approved by Health Canada, which the court said was a reasonable limit on benefits."

 

[Ian Bastage]

the major investment involved in my entire region was previously all tied up in the energy sector, has strong ties to deep conservatism, and was active in extreme prohibition previously.

a whiff of cash trumps all.

Yeah, their moral compass steers towards money.

Ian

 

[Ian Bastage]

In a related matter, the hope for provincial cross-border free trade is dead.

"The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled unanimously that provinces and territories have the constitutional right to restrict the importation of goods across provincial and territorial borders — as long as the primary aim of the restriction is not to impede trade." Source CBC

So we won't be able to legally buy out-of-province cannabis unless it comes through an LP or your local cannabis retailer.

Ian

 

[Ian Bastage]

A new gov't survey on cannabis usage is out. As growers, we have to do better.

Source: Macleans

Ian

 

[Itibitiguy]

I bet half of family and friends should be in grown

 

[FeloniousPunk]

Hi All,

Ran across this.

I thought this was so, now I know...

Bill C75: Re-Criminalizing Cannabis - Canadian Civil Liberties Association

Peace.

 

[bluter]

In a related matter, the hope for provincial cross-border free trade is dead.

"The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled unanimously that provinces and territories have the constitutional right to restrict the importation of goods across provincial and territorial borders — as long as the primary aim of the restriction is not to impede trade." Source CBC

So we won't be able to legally buy out-of-province cannabis unless it comes through an LP or your local cannabis retailer.

Ian

yes.

our entire industry here has been legislated to be a stand alone market with sharp divisions at the provincial borders. the federal gov't decides who the winners and losers are in the big weed massive producer dept as they control the production licensing, and the provincial gov't decides who the winners and losers are in the local markets, as they control the wholesale and distribution licensing locally.

only medical product will be allowed to cross provincial borders and that is supposed to be eliminated here soon as well.
so far here all the "winners" are the voices previously screaming for outright prohibition and restrictive punishment and policing. those who understand the product or are active in progressive policies are being systematically removed from the market side.

 

[Itibitiguy]

The federal gov't decides who the winners and losers are in the big weed massive producer dept as they control the production licensing, and the provincial gov't decides who the winners and losers are in the local markets, .

this is gonna be the main problem.

 

[Ian Bastage]

It will be a wait & see. Initially the selection will be all large LP offerings. A commodity in other words. Longer term, the feds have said that micro-operators can be licensed differently which could - repeat could - open up the door to real selection. In Ontario, the LCBO has done a great job with wine over the years through their Vintages dept. Despite what you may think, our prices & selection of premium wine are world class. Sure a bottle of Bacardi is a lot less in Florida (for example) but a bottle of Brunello from Italy will be the same or more - if you can even find it. So in time, we may be pleasantly surprised.

Ian

 

[bluter]

i work on the edge of the industry. the way it rolls out is like this :

licensed producers can only get a license from the federal level. lp's are not allowed to retail to end consumers, or wholesale to a retail distributor. there is a current exception to allow supplying medical recipients, but that ends with the roll out of recreational sales later this year.

licensed producers are forced to sell to licensed wholesalers only.

wholesalers can only obtain a licence from the provincial level. wholesale licenses are only legal in the province they are issued. wholesalers can only sell to retailers within their province. wholesalers may purchase from out of province lp's, but only if the province in which the wholesaler operates allows it. at present no province is contemplating allowing it.

any wholesaler who sells outside his province will lose the licence, and be charged with what amounts to trafficking and importation under the current laws. same goes for retailers.

wholesalers are only allowed to sell to licensed retailers.

licensed retailers can only obtain licenses from their provincial gov't. licensed retailers can only sell to end consumers, and can only buy from licensed wholesalers from within their province. retailers can not purchase direct from any lp. retailers will be allowed to sell over the internet, but only to consumers with an address within the province they are licensed. some provinces may not allow retail internet sales.

licensed producers are not allowed to have a wholesale or retail license
licensed wholesalers are not allowed to have a production or retail license
licensed retailers are not allowed to have a wholesale or production license

-some exceptions may be made by provinces for certain entities in regards to holding more than one type of license at once- looks a lot like legal graft...

sales of seeds are expected to be brought within this model about a year after recreational sales roll out. build up a seed bank now. seed sales are expected to have a whole series of legislation which is even stricter than the current model for weed. they really wanna make sure it's hard to get decent genetics.




all this means i'm gonna just grow.

 

[Itibitiguy]

I thought I seen something about L.P., are able to have a small store front.

 

[bluter]

I thought I seen something about L.P., are able to have a small store front.

retail store fronts in ontario are going to be gov't run like liquor stores. so unless the gov't is the lp in that scenario no retailer will be an lp.

in provinces where the gov't does not run the store fronts, the licensing process i described precludes them from being able to hold both licenses.

you are correct in your thoughts at present though, the model you are thinking of is the current one most dispensaries operate under- legal or not. gov'ts at two levels are intent on ending that with the coming legislation.

to understand how it works it is important to understand how weed was controlled in the first place. under the US model production was legally allowed as long as you had a licence from the gov't. the gov't issued no licences, making it effectively illegal. that model was imposed on the rest of the world through trade agreements and treaties.

 

[Torst]

there is a current exception to allow supplying medical recipients, but that ends with the roll out of recreational sales later this year.

Do you have any proof of this? This would be going against court orders for medical patients who rely on the LP's....