BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Shootout

[GigaGrew]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

thankfully i have little experience with such things, phtamine being the strongest compound ive used. but i do understand that a physical addiction and a psychological are so different.

for the physical side of things the best possible action is cold turkey or weening depending on the strength of the bodies reaction to withdrawl.

goin cold turkey on anything is tough and the main thing you need is a distraction while healing time passes....for this i reccomend looking for the strongest 'omg i cant open my eyes' kinda strain and anything else you can find that can up your amount/chances of sleeping. seperate to that you need to continue the hunt for a decent pain killing strain to help prevent your need to turn to opiates in the future.

 

[Propa Gator]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

For as long as mankind has grown cannabis, we've also grown p*ppies. They are both natural, and necessary. One is non-toxic, the other brings baggage. We live life at our own risk, as best we can. Tough love? You betcha

 

[Curso]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

guys n gals i have a question its pretty serious i suppose, does anyone know of a strain that is particularly good at helping someone get off of or at least drastically cut back on opiate consumption/tolerance/withdrawal symptoms ?? my tolerance has gone up the last few months i went from having a stockpile to not quite or barely making it to my next appointment, the doc is more forgiving and understanding of this than i am, im disgusted with myself because i feel like i let myself get out of control, i had a bad bout of pain right after the move, took more than normal and unlike in the past have been unsuccessful in going back to my normal (less than prescribed) i never even knew what these things were really before my disability, anyway im looking for some help with strains, i dont think i can completely quit them as i do have serious pain and they do help, i just want to regain the control i have always had, i do have decent will power, i quit ciggys several yrs ago

Hey BID just smoke(anything that makes you feel better, prolly the special chemdawg), eat and try to get some Valium (they help a ton). I was on those awful pills for 5 years, the sickness only lasts like 3 days. Just try to stay in a comfy place for those 3 rough days and you'll be fine, as long as I had something smoke I was happy when I was kicking them. It shouldn't be like that scene in Trainspotting...You already have a leg up on it by wanting to quit, just make sure you have none in the house and NO REFILLS.

Edit: Drink loads of water too (you should be already doing this anyways its healthy )

 

[Buckshot]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

BID

I read of your wish to reduce the meds. This is tough... reduction. I have used all the heavy hitters. I have been very strung out on the SHIT they gave me for pain. I am not a Dr. I have no idea what is wrong with you so what works for me is not what I suggest for you. I am just gonna tell you in case it COULD help. I have degenerative disk disease in my lower back and arthritis in my hands and feet. I have always had but it started to bother me around 23 and crippled me at 30. I took drugs went to QUACK back benders wore braces... Fuck that. By age 50 (over) I weighed in well over 300 and was totally fucked I could barely walk some days. I got a new Dr. She could see I was strung out, obese and generally heading for disaster. She suggested Tylenol... I was like yeah right but she went on that I needed massive doses of the stuff and prescribed “horse pills” of the stuff that I was to take on the onset of a problem and KEEP ON THEM she also gave me MMJ for spasms and to control stress that caused the spasms in the first place.

This got me off those f'ing mind erasers

Then she said she wanted me to exercise and keep a food journal in my pocket... Ha Ha NEVER gonna happen. So I looked around for a free online journal and found MyPlate - Food Diary & Food Calorie Counter | LIVESTRONG.COM I told it I was not gonna exercise and it told me what I needed to keep under to loose a couple pounds a week. At first I just put it what I ate (I was not serious about loosing weight then and now) I was pretty close to what it suggested so gradually over a period of months I complied with the calorie limit and found ways to eat more food and still keep under the limit. My wife was like wtf are you doing cause I ate so much After a while it changed me and what I ate. I even found if I went for a walk it would give me more calories to EAT I managed to loose 70 pounds this way and NEVER felt I was on a diet.

The result of all of that is I am off Oxy's I feel 100% better.

Back to your first question, Hash Bud plants and derivatives like Blue Moon are the closest to what you seek that I have grown... I grow it for that reason.

Good Luck BID

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

thanks for the input brothers, my situation is as im sure all are,unique, cold turkey is an option but then theres the reason im on these pills in the first place i have degenerative joint disease all my joints scream in pain daily no matter how many imm rel 30s i take, 10 is the most 6 least
so pain is going to be overwhelming for that reason i will need some i think, my plan is to half(5) today then 1 less per day till im at 1/2-1 per day, only when im overwhelmed and to get started testing all these strains i just harvested, the worst part of it all is the lack of creativity & motivation, i would like to actually want to play music,draw,sculpt,paint and build again,and give a shit about anything! these things suck out your essence, my dr is not the best for help he just says tolerance is the nature of the beast and adds another 20 to the #!! i think its crazy how many ppl are on them it seems like its everyone, i think its a form of control, and a big $ racket

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

For as long as mankind has grown cannabis, we've also grown p*ppies. They are both natural, and necessary. One is non-toxic, the other brings baggage. We live life at our own risk, as best we can. Tough love? You betcha

funny i have some of "those" seeds but never felt the desire to plant them,seems like a step in the opposite direction i want to go

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

im such a lightweight i get so high on just a puff or 2 that i am leery to smoke alot of the time, this is why i want a high cbd strain, i read that most ppl dont get it unless they are in constant pain, that if you are basically a recreatonal or use it for other than pain reasons you may just think something like cannatonic is just weak, just seem really hard to find one thats not sold out all the time, or at the least when i have some money to spend

 

[Hozona]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

Reps to X for a great response. I think a journal to keep track is an excellent idea..

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

so i have driplines going and my netpots are below the waterline, been over reading dwc stuff and im gathering this may not be good, i was planning on keeping the level below the pots after roots emerge, and what about this brown slime stuff that cant be killed is it common? i think i need some tutelage should i use some form of mykos (tea) something, so much contradicting stuff in dwc?

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

so i was reppin curso and looked and saw buckshots name and thats what i typed in his rep lol sorry curso im a litttle rattled today im well below my usual med level fr this time of day, but doing fine gonna try some hj-33 if any is dry enough yet

 

[Hozona]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

so i have driplines going and my netpots are below the waterline, been over reading dwc stuff and im gathering this may not be good, i was planning on keeping the level below the pots after roots emerge, and what about this brown slime stuff that cant be killed is it common? i think i need some tutelage should i use some form of mykos (tea) something, so much contradicting stuff in dwc?

Could the brown slime be the rooters??? I know that that is why hyro folks root in rockwool..no carryover from the seedling to the veg potJust a thought

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

i dont have any slime just wondering about it? lol
i have been giving 3ml per gallon 29% h202 its squeaky clean in there, i think i may have dosed higher than 3ml ,i was thinking it said 3ml per liter then i caught it so prolly like 5ml on one bucket

 

[Propa Gator]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

Everyone's allowed and even encouraged to get high on something as long as it's a profitable product of Big Pharma, the consortium that cares! But... your doctor is right about tolerance. When I supply da kine to someone new to me and their eyes glaze-over with one puff, I get jealous. I say "flag a taxi fool, before you get lost".

Your road map to the future BID, shows a fork in the road. One way leads to dependance, befuddlement, and pain. The other direction will make you your own Spanish Inquisitor. Unless you can halt your joint degeneration, where else can you go? Even if there was a prize for masochistic endurance, I doubt you'd make the climb up the podium to get your trophy! Doctors know about procedures and prescriptions, but not much about healing. Why would one work his/her self out of a job in these tough times, even if they knew?

Load all the doctors, lawyers, politicians and preachers into a special ark and send them into the next Houston-bound hurricane to work their magic and do some good. I'll volunteer for the mourning squad, to weep & moan their passing. So sad

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

indeed all options are grim

 

[Xlr8]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

Could the brown slime be the rooters??? I know that that is why hyro folks root in rockwool..no carryover from the seedling to the veg potJust a thought

I've always used rooters, in a few forms of hydro (DWC, flood, drip, drain to waste), and they've never been responsible for anything like that. Definitely not the rooters fault - rooters are not only good in hydro systems, I believe there is perhaps nothing better, personally.

Rockwool, on the other hand is very good at creating algae due to it's propensity for getting/staying soggy once it gets drenched, which is part of why I stick to the rooters.

Having said all that, it's a great question and I understand the logic completely. I've just had such good success with them, that it's probably the thing I endorse with the most confidence of all the things I use, and I've not had any issues related to them as far as with slime. In general, organic things can be unpredictable in hydro systems, but the rooters should be just fine.

Okay, but now if you have brown slime, you need to address it BID... For DWC especially, I prefer to try to keep things pretty sterile. I use a product called "Zone" by Dutch Master nutrients, but you've probably seen the post in my journal or Jandre's that outlines how to DIY it. I've used both the DM and BPN versions, and they both work well to help fix and prevent this. I'd use it every nutrient change, about once a week. If you are having issues with brown slime, you'll want to use it at the highest concentration for a few weeks, then you can back it down a bit. Myco solutions may work too, but for a DWC system and being newish to hydro you are probably best leaving mychorizae out of the picture for now, as they can also gunk things up a bunch. I can never remember how to spell that...

In the meantime consider this.... 5ml per gallon of regular household hydrogen peroxide (3%). If that doesn't fix it, add back in another 5ml per gallon the next day. You could probably do that a third day, if you needed to and it wasn't looking better. That's what I'd recommend for now, but the "Zone" type of product is a better long-term strategy, as h2o2 breaks down fairly quickly. When/if you do the h2o2, try not to let it hit the roots undiluted (this is especially important if you were to use a stronger than 3% solution). I've only used h2o2 a couple of times, and these rates worked for me, but maybe someone who's used h2o2 more can recommend other good dosage rates.

Is it possible that your nutrient solution is too warm? Usually, that's the culprit. Ideally, you want to be under 70f. I prefer to be under 68f. Very much above that, and the roots can't get enough oxygen, leaving them vulnerable to things like pithium.

Once things are looking white and healthy in there, switch to the "Zone" style products (vs. h2o2) IMO.

 

[GigaGrew]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

hey bid...i just want to say congratulations on being able to get lit on just a few puffs... im with gator on this one...i get sooo jealous.
i split that silver haze i had recently with my contact because he had none either (he got it from a 3rd party for me), anyways called him about 2 days later to order more pot and he said he still had some of it..felt like going round and throttling him, im here clucking and he is getting recked on what i would call crumbs.


as to the slime thing. if you keep your water cold and dark and with h2o2 in it...you almost certainly wont get any.

this joint degeneration...whats the name of the illness? is it bone on bone type pain or bones fusing or...?

 

[Xlr8]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

indeed all options are grim

In a way, perhaps yes. For me as well. However, in another way they are as grim as we make them. I know that sounds cliche', but it's really true, too.

We can be crushed under the burden of our decisions, or we can do our best and be okay with that - regardless of decision and outcome. There is no wrong answer, just do your best to make the decision that feels right to you. Don't burden yourself with second-guesses and what-ifs and be okay with it all.

Guilt comes lock-step with conditions that hold us back physically, but so much of it is wasted energy and burdens that we place on ourselves. Those that know and love us are much more accepting of our limitations than, perhaps, we will ever be. The moral? Don't be too hard on yourself - stress is not conducive to feeling better, and.. "it is what it is, doode!"

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

ok it seems that ppl think i have said that i have brown slime.........
let me repeat this a little louder

i dont have any brown slime just wondering about it? lol
i have been giving 3ml per gallon 29% h202 its squeaky clean in there, i think i may have dosed higher than 3ml ,i was thinking it said 3ml per liter then i caught it so prolly like 5ml on one bucket

X im not generally to hard on myself i was yrs ago when this crap started i beat myself up endlessly, but i have learned to accept the things i cannot change and work on the things i can, this is nowhere near the lowest point of my life, in fact its going rather well aside from my lil issue, and the regular stuff (i need to lose weight,eat better,exercise etc etc. im an eternal optimist with a dark cynical sense of humor

 

[Curso]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

thanks for the input brothers, my situation is as im sure all are,unique, cold turkey is an option but then theres the reason im on these pills in the first place i have degenerative joint disease all my joints scream in pain daily no matter how many imm rel 30s i take, 10 is the most 6 least
so pain is going to be overwhelming for that reason i will need some i think, my plan is to half(5) today then 1 less per day till im at 1/2-1 per day, only when im overwhelmed and to get started testing all these strains i just harvested, the worst part of it all is the lack of creativity & motivation, i would like to actually want to play music,draw,sculpt,paint and build again,and give a shit about anything! these things suck out your essence, my dr is not the best for help he just says tolerance is the nature of the beast and adds another 20 to the #!! i think its crazy how many ppl are on them it seems like its everyone, i think its a form of control, and a big $ racket

It is a big racket, the big pharm companies run the FDA, and most medical universities, remember they don't teach "healing" they teach "Medicine" so the answer will always be a medicine of some sort. Did you know...109,000 people are expected to die of this year from side effects of medicine prescribed to them. Multiply that by 5 years...that's a shit ton of people from expected side effects. Think about this also (while I am ranting...lol) we as MMJ growers know what our plant is deficient in...Who's to say many of the known "new" conditions today aren't a deficiency of some sort. Bill W from AA suffered from depression, a Dr told him to take B3 and....he felt better, it's really finding a high enough dose, that will never kill you. The reason that isn't part of the treatment is, the Medical Association doesn't want people able to heal themselves. There is no money in healthy people!!!! I was just born when Nixion dedicated money to the treatment of cancer, there were like 250k deaths that year from cancer. 30 years and trillions of dollars later, double the amount of people area dead from cancer. Something isn't working...Many illnesses can be treated with high doses of vitamins, ever hear of someone OD'ing on vitamin C? It's kinda like MJ it cant be done... {/rant} sry bid...is a subject that bothers me very much.

 

[Xlr8]

Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

so i have driplines going and my netpots are below the waterline, been over reading dwc stuff and im gathering this may not be good, i was planning on keeping the level below the pots after roots emerge, and what about this brown slime stuff that cant be killed is it common? i think i need some tutelage should i use some form of mykos (tea) something, so much contradicting stuff in dwc?

When I read this BID, I misunderstood. I thought you were suggesting that you had brown slime on your roots, and I hadn't read your other post yet. My bad!

I like to keep the nutrients between 1-2" below the bottom of the netpot. If the aeration is working good, there should still be a light splash that accumulates on the bottom of the netpot from popping bubbles, etc.

I hope you didn't take the musings on the "grim" options the wrong way, it's just a topic near and dear to me and my own experience, and I feel like I can relate to some of what you are going through. I also talk a good game, because at times I am SO hard on myself, and feel SO much guilt for my situation and inability to change it... In a way I'm sharing with you some of what truly works for me, but that's not to say I'm perfect at sticking to it, if you know what I mean. Regardless, the intent is straight from the heart - my apologies if it's off the mark.