BakedARea's Cultivated Blessings: A Myriad Of Genetics & Shenanigans

[BakedARea]

Welcome amigo! Glad to see you. Another soil and organics grow! Haa haaa. Already seeing issues...urgh

I've been away the past few days folks. Fighting a bug and it knocked me on my ass. Been 2 years since I've been that sick. November of 2019 is when covid hit our area. That is a theory but based on what I researched, I'm likely correct. Anyway, thankfully today I woke up with more energy. I was down enough yesterday that I didn't have the motivation to even check on the tent. Opened it up today to find new seedlings breached and growing!

 

[BakedARea]

There are some issues with the babies and I would like to figure out what it could be. I seriously doubt it is the genetics.

Is it possible that my seedling mix is too course? I know many use store bought "seedling mix". I typically make my own since I plant hundreds of veggies every year to give away to neighbors. Well...should my thought process for cannabis seeds be different. I'm starting to lean toward just using coco/peat/perlite for seedlings. What do you all use for your seedlings?

Also, in a quick message to the breeder, he recommended that as soon as the hull breaks open, to plant them into your medium of choice. This is different than what I have done in the past. Any opinions for or against this. I went my typical method of using a paper towel to grow out the tap root but you will see an issue that arose with that too. I think it was my fault though. Too rough with the seed container on accident. Possibly caused by agitation.

C99 - Cinderella 99
RS - Rosetta Stone
QoS - Queen of Soul
SQ - Space Queen

Photo dump of the past few days.

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Anyone see an issue here? Again, likely my fault.

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But it is still growing... here.

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This single Space Queen germinated in 8-10 hrs! I went ahead and went straight from water to the soil.

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Here they are this morning and the ones that have breached. I lost one of the C99. 2 for 3 so far on the RS with one twin. The other one that hasn't breached is the one that fell out of the shell. It's barely hanging on. Little to no hope for that one. 1 for 3 on QoS with one of them about to breach later today. I'm guessing the other one by tomorrow (hopefully). The SQ breached but she looks a little stressed already. Not sure what though.
Ignore the temp sensor. It was closer to 85% RH inside the dome before opening it for inspection and pics.

Also, running a Bestva Pro1000 at roughly 40% and getting 150 PPFD. Light is on a 24 hr cycle. Switching to 18 hrs soon though. My plan is to keep them in these 3" pots until there are plenty of roots coming out. Then into likely 1 gallon fabric pots. Hopefully, I can keep them happy in the 1s until I have confirmed sex.

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Here is what one of the C99 seedlings did. I have no idea.

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And now the RS...

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Do you seeeeeee what I seeeeee?!

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Well I didn't want to take any chances and decided to yank the littlest seedling.

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SQ with some issues... thoughts?

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I also started some LA Berry Fruta (LBF) Autos (no longer a seed sponsor here so I won't mention them. Their info is on some of my pics for my own reference. I figured I would grow these and harvest around the time I will be getting confirmed sexes on the photos.
I started 3 LBF seeds a couple weeks back. Well they germinated great but completely were a disaster after they touched soil. So I started 3 more LBF. They had been soaking for the past 48hrs...only 2 are showing signs of germination. I went ahead and put all three into soil this morning.

These pics are from the first ones germinated around Christmas time. I had to assist getting the hull membrane off one of them. Another came out looking funky. After Day 2, they declined rapidly.

I'll get new pics when or if they breach the surface.

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[InTheShed]

What do you all use for your seedlings?

Also, in a quick message to the breeder, he recommended that as soon as the hull breaks open, to plant them into your medium of choice. This is different than what I have done in the past. Any opinions for or against this. I went my typical method of using a paper towel to grow out the tap root but you will see an issue that arose with that too. I think it was my fault though. Too rough with the seed container on accident. Possibly caused by agitation.

I soak my seeds in 50/50 3% H2O2 for 10 minutes and then into a bowl of distilled water at 80ºF until they split (usually within 24 hours but sometimes longer), and they go immediately into peat pucks (also at 80º) in the Shoebox of Light®. As soon as they break the surface they go into solo cups of ProMix HP and into the sun if it's out.

I never understood the paper towel/long tap root thing since that's not how plants are genetically designed to sprout.

Some that I've soaked past the split stage (because I was at work!) have turned into floaters in the water like your pale hull-less one, and mine like that have never come up when planted.

This single Space Queen germinated in 8-10 hrs! I went ahead and went straight from water to the soil.

Just like nature intended!

Well I didn't want to take any chances and decided to yank the littlest seedling.

I wouldn't pull those out. When I have two clones in the same solo cup and one isn't strong enough to plant, I cut it the surface because I worry that pulling it will mess with the roots of the other one.

 

[BakedARea]

I never understood the paper towel/long tap root thing since that's not how plants are genetically designed to sprout.

Yeah. I just did it because that's what I kept reading. I've done it without soaking and that is the worst! Not knowing if they'll come up for a week sometimes is torture. I definitely plan on soaking. I too use H2O2 in my soak water. What I wasn't doing though is a quick soak. I just left them in it. Oops?!

I cut it the surface because I worry that pulling it will mess with the tap root of the other one.

Oof...point taken! I did a gentle pull and you're right. There was no reason to do that. Quick snip would have taken care of it. Thanks Shed.

 

[DonkeyDick]

I love me some Jack Herer. Knowing the Rosetta Stone is a stable version of JH...SOLD!

The Princess cut is another one. The C99 was a pheno hunt MrSoul did from Princess S(x)’s. The Jack Herer had three famous clone-only cuts the princess, the genius cut and another one (I’m not a genius). So you’re getting your JH derived bits and pieces again.

I saw the actual Rosetta Stone in a museum in London. It’s quite an artifact! I wonder whether her eponymous cannabis will see you fluent in unknown languages?!

(i.e. why I am not a good friend in real life. I forget many details and it rubs people wrong)

Wait. What? This isn’t real?

Yeah, nah. You’re alright. You have friends here.

 

[BakedARea]

The Princess cut is another one. The C99 was a pheno hunt MrSoul did from Princess S(x)’s. The Jack Herer had three famous clone-only cuts the princess, the genius cut and another one (I’m not a genius). So you’re getting your JH derived bits and pieces again.

I love reading about the history of genetics and phenos. Thank you for this wisdom. Unfortunately, it will take multiple entries in order for it to permanently be stored in my memory bank. The other thing to consider is that the database query script for said memory bank has been corrupted and will return a <null> value.


I had no idea that those three cuts where all from JH genetics.

So Cinderella 99 is a JH pheno x JH pheno? Am I understanding that cross correctly?

Rosetta Stone is JH female to P75 male ("Princess" 75 pheno) which is then also JH?

At what point did those phenos become their own variety name if it was still JH? Or do I have this all mucked up in my sober head?

Seriously...what the shit man? I need a big rip of something...

I saw the actual Rosetta Stone in a museum in London. It’s quite an artifact!

That would be an amazing experience! What a spectacular piece of history that is difficult to comprehend and wrap my logic around.

I wonder whether her eponymous cannabis will see you fluent in unknown languages?!

OoooOoooo...I sure do hope so!
Thanks for the vocabulary word of the day!

Wait. What? This isn’t real?

Yeah, nah. You’re alright. You have friends here.

Much appreciated amigo! Thank you. Real life asshole is what the problem is...

 

[BakedARea]

Quick update: The ones that could sprout, have and have their first set of true leaves. So I'm going with day 1 for all of them. Easier for my brain. The QoS are vigorous man! The C99 is definitely stretching and leaning for more light. I turned the tray 180° to hopefully correct for that . Still getting an average of 150 PPFD inside the dome.

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Saaaay whaaaat?! More seeds?! I have a good friend that hopefully will be joining this site soon. If he does, we may do a joint journal to get his feet wet and help him along. We split the cost on these since we both wanted to try them. Aaand we got a pack of Durban Nights for freeeeeee!!!

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I'm not sure if I should drop one of each of these tonight/tomorrow or wait until later in the season and start them outside in the greenhouse and prep them for the garden? What would you do? Now or Later? Also...some of those NoL candies right now would be amazeballs!

Good night fine folks. Thanks for stopping by.

 

[Krissi Carbone]

Here we go again!

 

[InTheShed]

Congrats on the sprouts, the new seeds, and a potential new growmie! Gotta say it was a good day.

88.5ºF seems high to me though.

 

[Zephyrs]

Hay, I just a New guy around here. Mind if I tag along, and maybe take notes!

 

[BakedARea]

Here we go again!

Ohhhh yeaaaahhhh!!!

Congrats on the sprouts, the new seeds, and a potential new growmie! Gotta say it was a good day.

WoooHoooo!!! Yeah, I'm stoked. Definitely a good day. And amazing song!

88.5ºF seems high to me though.

Yeah...I was thinking the same thing. So far they seem to be humming along without any signs of issues (that I am aware of). They keep growing and they appear happy to me. The SQ germinated with a funky cotyledon buy the new growth seems ok.

I am counting my blessings that they are not drowning! I pre-soaked the media before placing the seeds in there. In hindsight, it was definitely too wet! It is a well draining soil though so there's lots of oxygen in there. Still too much moisture absorbed for seeds. Little pots still feel too heavy.

I need to figure out my seedling media and stick to it. I may just have to stick to a coco/perlite only seed mix so I can squeeze to the appropriate moisture level. It would require more of my attention to the individual water needs until transplant though. This has been a failure for me in the past as well. Sometimes missing that it was too dry and losing them that way.

Otherwise, the seedling medium will continue to be a variable of failure. Just 1 of the many variables about my cultivating practices I need to simplify.

Hay, I just a New guy around here. Mind if I tag along, and maybe take notes!

Always welcome here! Any notes you do take, please share them with me. There is a HIGH chance that I'm too stoned to observe appropriately.

 

[BakedARea]

Hey again, quick plant updates and pics. I changed my light schedule yesterday to turn off at 4pm and on at 10pm (18hrs). I ended up sleeping like a bear yesterday. I was intending to get some pics after 10...but...yeah...ZzzZzzZzzzzz

So here they are today. All the BG seedlings, I am counting at Day 3.

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Look who had a birthday! One of the La Berry Fruta decided to make an appearance. I have a feeling the others may not show up. I'm just not really feeling a strong genetic

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• Jan 9, 2022

A little further discussion in my brain:

Temps have been consistently closer to 82-84 for the past day. I would prefer anything around 78°-80° personally for seedlings. Anything higher does add to my anxiety. @InTheShed pointed out the higher temps a couple days ago. For some reason, the ambient temps in the garage rose for a few days, leading to overall higher readings inside the tent. I noticed it a few days ago but they looked fine. I couldn't think of a good solution other than turning down the light slightly. I did that and now they are leaning hard toward the @BESTVA LED Pro4000 which is putting out much more light.

How long do you all normally keep your seedlings with a humidity dome? That is definitely a factor of heat retention as well as blocking light. A tiny conundrum for now but I am also glad with the few days of higher temps, they still germinated and grew.

 

[DonkeyDick]

do you all normally keep your seedlings with a humidity dome?

I don’t, but then I am part donkey parts.
I only use a dome on cuttings until I can harden them off and get roots going.
If I don’t harden cuttings off properly I can keep the damned things alive for six weeks with no roots easy peasy. So long as it hydrates through its leaves under the dome it may be less inclined to make roots IMO.

 

[InTheShed]

I'm with DD. No domes for anything but cuttings in soil/ProMix. My seeds have to sprout in the environment they'll be growing in.

 

[Zephyrs]

Personally I have never used a humidity dome for a seeded plant. As I feel if the soil temperature and moisture level is in optimal range then a seed will sprout regardless! If dropped in soil correctly. For cuttings sometimes I do use a humidity dome sometimes I don't. I have shitty success with clones both ways. But that's just Me. LOL

 

[InTheShed]

I have shitty success with clones both ways. But that's just Me

I had really crap luck with clones for about 8 months until I found beez0404's cloning method. You can check it out here if you're interested. I changed it to Dip'n Grow rooting solution and distilled water, but otherwise that was the method that worked for me after all other methods failed.

 

[Zephyrs]

I had really crap luck with clones for about 8 months until I found beez0404's cloning method. You can check it out here if you're interested. I changed it to Dip'n Grow rooting solution and distilled water, but otherwise that was the method that worked for me after all other methods failed.

Thanks buddy! I'll check that link in the morning And Good wishes this evening to @BakedARea and all your loved ones! "May You're Plants leafs Pray to the light above come morning time"

 

[BakedARea]

I don’t, but then I am part donkey parts.
I only use a dome on cuttings until I can harden them off and get roots going.

I'm with DD. No domes for anything but cuttings in soil/ProMix. My seeds have to sprout in the environment they'll be growing in.

Personally I have never used a humidity dome for a seeded plant.

Ok. Great info peeps! Currently, I'm using mine to keep my RH higher for their needs versus the plants in flower which I have at a lower RH on purpose. That is the conundrum I'm in. At some point, it appears I need a tent for veg. Ahhh shucks. "Sorry honey...Shed and Big ole Donkey Dick and Zephyrs said I HAD to get a tent just for my seedlings. MmmKaaay?! Good!"

And Good wishes this evening to @BakedARea and all your loved ones! "May You're Plants leafs Pray to the light above come morning time"

Thanks so much for the excellent vibes! I felt them indeed. Same to you always! Blessings.

 

[Zephyrs]

Ok. Great info peeps! Currently, I'm using mine to keep my RH higher for their needs versus the plants in flower which I have at a lower RH on purpose. That is the conundrum I'm in. At some point, it appears I need a tent for veg. Ahhh shucks. "Sorry honey...Shed and Big ole Donkey Dick and Zephyrs said I HAD to get a tent just for my seedlings. MmmKaaay?! Good!"

Thanks so much for the excellent vibes! I felt them indeed. Same to you always! Blessings.

Welcome on the good vibes buddy! And lol, Hay the wife might find reason in the purchase of a veg tent. Just say something along the lines of bad cross contamination among flowering and vegging plants!? She might buy that excuse!? LOL, Then again ??

I feel you on that conundrum. I have rooting clones of my plant now. And I need to throw the mother into flower SOON! And I only have 1 grow space at the moment. So ya, I feel ya

 

[BakedARea]

Another quick drive by...they are growing. Stretching and bending continues. I may need to be a piece of cardboard or something to block the higher output light next door.

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Left 3 - Queen of Soul (reg)
Top Right 2 - Rosetta Stone (reg)
Middle Right - Space Queen (fem)
Bottom Right 2 - Cinderella 99 (reg)

How long do you all normally veg your seedlings in pots like these? These are 3". I've used these before, and my average time was all over the place because I wad doing it outside and the temps were swinging much more compared to the consistency of the tent. 2 weeks seem about right?

This seedling mix does not have any added nutrients except for the worm castings. I was thinking of giving them @GeoFlora Nutrients in these 3" pots tonight and give them a light drench. Just to start the breakdown process of the organics. Thoughts?!