BabyTrees First Grow!

[BabyTrees]

Now your learning!!

hahah what you did with your plant was perfect! You opened up the centre to allow for the second and third internodes on the branches start getting light and growing!!

Happy to hear I didn't goof and remove too much, there's a LOT of tops I didn't realize how freaking many it was tough finding a spot for them while trying to keep in mind how they're gonna be seated when I let them grow straight up.

 

[BabyTrees]

I had caught up before I posted It's a little bit of a disappointment but a lesson learned. The nuts thing... Well that's life

Awesome glad it kept ya entertained enough to read it all,
Yeah.. I started her as just a random bag seed I had so I didn't have too much faith it'd be female as I know the odds aren't quite in our favor.

But I got some AWESOME experience furthest I've gotten in a grow and I know it'll just make my Mystic turn out even better because of it!

 

[CagedApe]

Awesome glad it kept ya entertained enough to read it all,
Yeah.. I started her as just a random bag seed I had so I didn't have too much faith it'd be female as I know the odds aren't quite in our favor.

But I got some AWESOME experience furthest I've gotten in a grow and I know it'll just make my Mystic turn out even better because of it!

So do you have plans for ordered seeds?

 

[BabyTrees]

So do you have plans for ordered seeds?

Yeah, the Mystic and the Northern are both purchased from southern Oregon seeds,
I also have Cali orange I'll eventually run,
Both these are femenized seeds, so I should be able to just keep on cloning these babies if they turn out well, I mostly am atm just kind of experimenting seeing what happens When I do what, I'm super ignorant to any sort of gardening/science behind stuff so I'm taking what people try and testing it for myself

The Northern will be a plant that does not get any sort of special treatment, she's gonna just be sitting there growing tall and we'll see what happens with that
The mystic is the one I just tied down, she's gonna be my tester for this run I'm doing LST on all her tops/lowers, and I'm gonna see how she does. I wanted to do one each way just to compare to see if it's worth taking the extra time to LST or if I should just let the wild trees grow!

 

[CagedApe]

Yeah, the Mystic and the Northern are both purchased from southern Oregon seeds,
I also have Cali orange I'll eventually run,
Both these are femenized seeds, so I should be able to just keep on cloning these babies if they turn out well, I mostly am atm just kind of experimenting seeing what happens When I do what, I'm super ignorant to any sort of gardening/science behind stuff so I'm taking what people try and testing it for myself

The Northern will be a plant that does not get any sort of special treatment, she's gonna just be sitting there growing tall and we'll see what happens with that
The mystic is the one I just tied down, she's gonna be my tester for this run I'm doing LST on all her tops/lowers, and I'm gonna see how she does. I wanted to do one each way just to compare to see if it's worth taking the extra time to LST or if I should just let the wild trees grow!

Oh good, so your efforts will be more rewarding than last. I like LST but I think it's taken too far some times. I'm following one thread where he has cut the plant back so hard that it's taking him forever to get any health out of it. Anyways, you seam to be on the light side of lst. I can't wait to see your masterpiece

 

[BabyTrees]

I haven't even topped my Mystic yet I'm a scaredy cat when it comes to cutting stuff off the plant, not quite sure if I will top at this point.
I feel like if I did top I should do it like Now since I'll only be in veg for a week or two more (if the Northerns growth keeps up it seems to be growing roughlyan inch every other day)

 

[CagedApe]

I haven't even topped my Mystic yet I'm a scaredy cat when it comes to cutting stuff off the plant, not quite sure if I will top at this point.
I feel like if I did top I should do it like Now since I'll only be in veg for a week or two more (if the Northerns growth keeps up it seems to be growing roughlyan inch every other day)

I don't like topping myself, is there any way you could just pull the lead or leads down to the same level as the lower branches. That's what I do, from a young age I massage the branches to equal so then in the end I'm still left with 8 to 10 colas at equal height. I hope that makes sense

 

[BabyTrees]

I don't like topping myself, is there any way you could just pull the lead or leads down to the same level as the lower branches. That's what I do, from a young age I massage the branches to equal so then in the end I'm still left with 8 to 10 colas at equal height. I hope that makes sense

Yeah that's kind what I did today everything isn't super even maybe off by an inch but it's growijg in the right directions now so it should do the trick hopefully..
I did the tie down method not the massaging method which probably is significantly faster than what I did haha!
and hmm I didn't know if everyone tops I kinda just assumed everyone topped cause it's talked about so frequently, maybe I'm just over thinking it and should just let it run its course, I just figured topping=more nug,
But would it also lessen the quality?
I'm still a beginner and experimenting to figure out what methods I want to continue to introduce into future grows.

 

[CagedApe]

Yeah that's kind what I did today everything isn't super even maybe off by an inch but it's growijg in the right directions now so it should do the trick hopefully..
I did the tie down method not the massaging method which probably is significantly faster than what I did haha!
and hmm I didn't know if everyone tops I kinda just assumed everyone topped cause it's talked about so frequently, maybe I'm just over thinking it and should just let it run its course, I just figured topping=more nug,
But would it also lessen the quality?
I'm still a beginner and experimenting to figure out what methods I want to continue to introduce into future grows.

If you were to let the main leader shade the rest then you would get less on smaller branches. That's the idea behind LST, pull everything down and spread apart to get 10 leaders and not 1. That creates more bud! But.... That doesn't mean you have to cut the main leader. Just do as you have and pull it down because technically it should be the biggest bud in the end. Just my thought.

 

[BabyTrees]

Yeah, maybe I'll leave it be and keep up the low strength training on her,
Definitely would like to hear some opinions
Haven't heard from @Emilya in a while what would you do if you were in my situation while waiting for another 5-6 inches of growth on my northern before flipping would ya top the Mystic? Or just LST I posted some updated pics today.
What about y'all @InTheShed @Backlipslide opinions?

 

[Emilya Green]

In the time you have left in veg I wouldn't top too aggressively, but I would top the growth tips so as to slow down that plant's vertical growth while you are waiting on the NL to catch up. This not only adds a little bit of stress to the fast growing plant so as to slow it down a bit, but it widens her out and increases her overall yield while you do so. It is rare for me not to use a combination of topping and LST techniques together while I am shaping the plant for bloom.

 

[BabyTrees]

In the time you have left in veg I wouldn't top too aggressively, but I would top the growth tips so as to slow down that plant's vertical growth.

Thank ya!
The tips like a Fimm? And just the top of the plant? No lower growth topping/fimming?

 

[Backlipslide]

Topping is a “high-stress” training technique which entails removing the top growth tip from the main stem or a branch. Many growers are concerned that cutting the top off their young plants may slow their grow down, however, when done properly, topping is a critical method to fill the canopy faster and reduce vegetation times

plants typically grow tall and skinny, much like a Christmas tree. Without training, they have minimal lateral growth and concentrate most of their resources in one stem with one main cola. They display a phenomenon called “apical dominance”, which is the key factor that determines the directional growing characteristics of plants. Different types of apical dominance lead different plants to produce their patterns of both vertical and horizontal growth. This programming in plants is an evolutionary adaptation to their typical growing environments.

Topping is a great way to maximize your yields by tricking the plant to have more then one (1) apical dominant main cola.

For some it’s there go to, for others it’s not, and that’s okay too, just figured I’d enlighten you and @CagedApe to the benefits of topping your plants

 

[BabyTrees]

Y'all are the best, thanks a ton.
I love getting answers on here I learn so much more than reading/watching so much conflicting stuff.
So if I top the tip I could clone it? I believe you showed me a pic of a top your grew out? @Backlipslide or might of been shed.

 

[Emilya Green]

You can do top bottom and sides, knowing that each time you top a growth tip it will split into two growth tips. You can use this strategy of widening out the plant at the tips to shape the canopy into a structure that will be flat and have a lot of surface area to capture the light.

And no, not like a fim... an actual cutting off of that entire tip will cause the two preflowers at the notch below that cut to become the new tips. Suddenly, one kola becomes two.

 

[BabyTrees]

@Emilya
So basically just top all these branches marked in red?

 

[Emilya Green]

no, cut off the center growth tip at the end of each of those branches... that one solitary tip in the middle and at the end of those branches

 

[BabyTrees]

Okay thank you.
I'll be doing that tomorrow when I get off work,
For now Ive gotta get some sleep before work tonight. Y'all have a great day.
I'll hit y'all with some update pics tomorrow!

 

[Emilya Green]

it seems awfully aggressive to cut all of those at this point however... I would wait for them to start raising up and whack them off when each takes dominance... you have a good LST going there and I don't see the need to do all this extra cutting.

 

[InTheShed]

Is there any rules. About defoliation? I know a lot of people defoliate and lolipop like 2-3 weeks into flower after it stretches I was told,
But would there be a problem with a decent defoliate a few weeks prior to flip? Or think it'd slow the growth of the entire plant down?

No hard and fast rules about thinning, just loads of recommendations. Most folks will thin about a week before flip and then thin again when stretch has finished (roughly 3 weeks depending on the strain). Lollipopping is just one technique, but there are others as well.

did what you suggested and tied down allll the lowers

Noice!

I like LST but I think it's taken too far some times. I'm following one thread where he has cut the plant back so hard that it's taking him forever to get any health out of it.

Doesn't sound like low stress to me!

If you were to let the main leader shade the rest then you would get less on smaller branches. That's the idea behind LST

This kind of LST is more about spreading the growth hormones around and not as much about light penetration. By keeping the apical stem lower than the lower growth, the plant is convinced it no longer has an apical stem (without having to top), and it sends the auxins to the lower growth in an attempt to make a new one.

low strength training

Low stress training .

while waiting for another 5-6 inches of growth on my northern before flipping would ya top the Mystic?

Topping the side growth will really slow the plant down, and I would never top the apical stem of an LST plant.