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bigirishdoode said:
hey ultra, vegging is something im working out again,with the new taller tent and scrog in in the other tent im watching the growth patterns closely to see whitch ones will go better scrogged or allowed to go vertical, im doing a big veg update in a few min, trying to show you guys how they are growing and get comments on whitch ones you guys think would go good in scrog or just topped n trained , but in the past i have not been a long vegging grower, used to do 1-3 weeks on clones and seedlings i let go a month unless they got to 10-12 inches sooner, and sometimes i did 12/12 from seed on strains i knew were going to strech, BUT since i started with glr my concerns over strech are minimal, also i have been reading about light alot, and its documented that starting the flower cycle with metal halide or 6500k fluro decreases stretch if you run them till the plants start showing flowers/pistle clusters, then adding or sswitching to hps bulbs, the reason is the color of light is not switched halfway in summer buy a giant gardener, it happens gradually much like the hours of darkness, the reason they stretch so much indoors is they are searching for light the right kind ,same as they were getting in veg! it started making sense to me,i had been thinking about plants i grew outside and with cfl's in the past they didnt strecth much , so the reason the plants stop stretching is plant chemistry they start flowering and are ready to use the fall like colors of hps, so the sudden switch from the 6500k range to 2700k is the main reason they do the rapid stretching, i was running both mh and hps at the begining of the flower cycle in the big tent and noticed the plants not stretching as much, then we moved and i left out the mh, in the past 11 days i noticed the plants (tt-kush 50% sativa) did a big stretch without the mh in there, so this theory is partially proven to me, i will be testing it throughly soon, if it works the way im thinking it will big scary stretch may be a thing of the past ( mostly)
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This is exactly what I was yelling about all those months ago. Thank you!

This is the very reason, I still have some HO T5's in the Cardboard Flower Box. They come off the timer about three weeks into flower, but still, it helps to further minimize stretch from GLR's reduction. This is how I end up with such small, but absolutely packed plants.
 
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bigirishdoode said:
as i understand it currently the plants stretch because they are looking for the blueish side of the light spectrum, so when we switch the blue for yellow they are still in "veg" untill they realize its "fall" and their hormones catch up to what we want, sooo what im doing is flipping the light from glr to 12/12 but making sure they are getting as much or more of the blue light as they were getting in veg, then after 1 to 3 weeks the plants will be flowering nicely and hormonally ready to use the yellow light of hps , so far this theory i have is testing out to be effective

The advantages to minimal stretching should mean we can veg longer for bigger plants, less light stress to the plants,less hermie's popping up,healthier plants,stronger branches, all this should equal bigger harvests of better quality medicine, im hoping(fingers crossed)


ok my fellow growers time for a decent veg tent update, theres before and after topping/trim shots of most plants, i also feed them all the new organics i got 2 days ago from my upgraded bpn prize package, and all got a nice seaweed misting, enjoy the show
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'Blue for veg; red for flower'

There appears to be widespread misunderstanding on this issue, so let's see if we can clear this up.

First off let us remember there is only ONE SUN. We do not have two suns. Does the solar spectrum change from spring to fall? Of course the sun itself does not change according to earth's seasons, but what of atmospheric filtering? The changes are so small as to be ignored.

So the obvious answer is that with at least one light source, two different spectra are not necessary for plants to germinate, grow and fruit.

Well then, how and why did the two light system come about? HPS spectra is less than optimal, but it has the highest photon flux density of any man-made light source (plasma may have recently surpassed HPS).

1. Seedlings and young plants do not need the blast of light that HPS provides, so why waste power when a lower wattage light (CFL, T5, MH) is more than adequate?

2. Cannabis needs adequate blue light to prevent stretching and for optimal leaf growth. HPS is generally very weak in blue, thus an alternate source is chosen for the vegetation stage. MH and fluoro both have sufficient blue to meet a young plant's needs.

Does more blue equal more vegetative growth and more red equal better flowering? No, if the minimum is met more is not better. For example if 20% blue keeps the internodes short during veg, twice as much blue will not make even shorter nodes. In the same way increasing the amount of red required for flowering will not necessarily equal bigger flowers. The proper ratio is fine for the entire cycle.

For example, the whole cool (bluish - not blue) CFL/T5 for veg; warm (redish - not red) for flower is total myth. Warm fluoros contain plenty of blue to meet all of the plants vegetative needs and can keep them short.


So the answer is: If a man-made light is properly designed then only one lamp is necessary.
 
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Ok jandre what is the proper lamp:)?
I dont know alot but what you say seems to be final.
to that I must disagree there is a reason that different lights give different spectrums. sure you are right that the sun is one light and different angles in the sky, polution, clouds can throw that spectrum in dissaray.
I guess now I am asking you that why Mh or HPS if everyone uses both one at a time:)
sorry boss did not relise that these were not your words
 
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bigirishdoode said:
have you guys heard of this?? deciduous herbaceous perennial strain
Doggies Nuts Big Bad John Autoflowering Seeds
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$200 +S&H is a bit pricey for one-off seeds that you can't clone...

pretty good yield forecast for an auto, though!
 
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GiGaBaNE said:
heh a photographic memory is not intelligence.
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At one time I employed fresh graduates every year, at least 60% should have been categorized as Educated Idiots.

Fantastic looking buds B.I.D., I agree with fish cake :thumb:

hope the new surroundings are treating you both well!
 
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GiGaBaNE said:
heh a photographic memory is not intelligence. i rarely brag but im without a doubt the most intelligent person i know (in the flesh). however i have always had a bad memory, long before smoking. i think its a defence mechanism from a really bad childhood, cant constantly live in terror if you forget what your afraid of, lol...the thing that limits me the most is lack of education, i love to study but its so hard to get things to stay in. however ive managed to get 2 management qualifications, a city and guilds lvl2 accounting course under my belt and i self taught building and repairing computers and now im sucking up all the grow knowledge i can, especially as it seems to go in and stay =D

my 'gift' as far as IQ is concerned is an amazing ability to find solutions to real life problems, its strange because one would think with a problem soving mind puzzles would be easy, but im no good at all with rubix cubes and the like, but break something that you simply cant live without and i can have it macguyvered within a week, even if i have no clue about the tech involved. actually i would probably call it more wisdom than intelligence things just seem to make sence and if you can do this and that then it will work again...if not pretty.

If i added the ability to absorb anything i read or saw bill gates would be my personal technician and windows would only be a memory.
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Power to the DIY-er!
 
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ajagunle said:
At one time I employed fresh graduates every year, at least 60% should have been categorized as Educated Idiots.

Fantastic looking buds B.I.D., I agree with fish cake :thumb:

hope the new surroundings are treating you both well!
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I've beem avoiding this for weeks, but I can't stand it anymore... MAX HEADROOM ROCKS!
 
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fish cake said:
Ok jandre what is the proper lamp:)?
I dont know alot but what you say seems to be final.
to that I must disagree there is a reason that different lights give different spectrums. sure you are right that the sun is one light and different angles in the sky, polution, clouds can throw that spectrum in dissaray.
I guess now I am asking you that why Mh or HPS if everyone uses both one at a time:)
sorry boss did not relise that these were not your words
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Simply put... Early life uses the Blue-ish spectrum more than later, and in end-of-life, more red-ish is used... It has to do with the types of chlorophyll(major) produced, of which there are two types (there are really 6 but 2 major is simpler). :cheesygrinsmiley: Does that clear things up? Clear as mud, huh?
 
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Again... fantastic pictures!! Everything is looking fine and dandy in the Grow Rooms of BID. I like the way that sounds so I capitalized it.

:thumb:

I couldn't resist bring them over to the next page.

bigirishdoode said:
some new shots, big girls are 42 days in flower the tall ttkush and sister are 22, did some defol and bending yesterday, and the contest shots cuz they are decent
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Just for grins....blue and red lights excite different electrons in different orbitals in the chlorophyll molecule. The wavelength of light corresponds to the what orbital the electrons are excited in. As the electron travels down the electron transport chain, the thylakoid lumen is acidified which powers the phosphorylation of ADP to ATP as the H+ ions exit the thylakoid lumen through the integral membrane protein ATP synthase. At the end of the electron transport chain is NADP which is reduced by the electron to NADP- which takes a H+ ion forming NADPH, another energy transfer molecule. Since the chlorophyll molecule has lost an electron, it becomes a powerful oxidizer and wants that electron replaced. That is how water is split into H+ and O2, the chlorophyll gets the electron from water and the H+ ions acidify the thylakoid lumen and oxygen is created in the oxygen evolving complex...I love plants, they are da bomb.
 
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jandre2k3 said:
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'Blue for veg; red for flower'

For example, the whole cool (bluish - not blue) CFL/T5 for veg; warm (redish - not red) for flower is total myth. Warm fluoros contain plenty of blue to meet all of the plants vegetative needs and can keep them short.
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do you sign off on this jandre!?!?!?!?
your rep is on the line here, lol.
i am currently using 1x 30 w dual t8 and 4x 23w 6500k cfls to veg...if this is a myth and its busted then i could be using
1x 30 w dual t8 and 4x 23w 6500k cfls 6x30w t8 2700k and 10x 15-23w cfls 2700k
going from 122w to 502w tommorow!
 
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Blue Planet Nutrients said:
Just for grins....blue and red lights excite different electrons in different orbitals in the chlorophyll molecule. The wavelength of light corresponds to the what orbital the electrons are excited in. As the electron travels down the electron transport chain, the thylakoid lumen is acidified which powers the phosphorylation of ADP to ATP as the H+ ions exit the thylakoid lumen through the integral membrane protein ATP synthase. At the end of the electron transport chain is NADP which is reduced by the electron to NADP- which takes a H+ ion forming NADPH, another energy transfer molecule. Since the chlorophyll molecule has lost an electron, it becomes a powerful oxidizer and wants that electron replaced. That is how water is split into H+ and O2, the chlorophyll gets the electron from water and the H+ ions acidify the thylakoid lumen and oxygen is created in the oxygen evolving complex...I love plants, they are da bomb.
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hi blue...you dont know me yet, but you will soon.
im your not yet biggest uk buyer, lol
i know it sounds like excess ambition, but this has been a very thought out risk/reward discussion with the mother of my children and im all in right now whatever the cost.

im a bit broke right now (the dominant reason i started to grow my own in the first polace, lol) but i will be switching to dwc soon ( i dont have to buy anything to go dwc except your nutes) i just have to get this batch of autos and maybe the next out of the way to get some capital then ima be shopping an aweful lot with you.

so anyways waffle over, and ice offically broken =)
 
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sweet :) Only problem is I haven't found a cost effective method of shipping overseas. I can ship in flat rate boxes via USPS to the UK but the amount of nutrients is limited to quart size and 6 quarts per large flat rate box which costs about $50 I believe. I really need to find a UK distributor or a hydroponics store that would like to purchase a pallet of nutrients from me for resale. That is the only way I could get my nutes to my mates across the pond for a good price.
 
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wow i go play modern warfare 3 for an hour and ppl post away thats great! i have a NEAR photographic memory ,so unfortunatly i do have to study things, its an edge/advantage that lets me learn very fast and with less effort. anyway i guess it means im smart nuff ta git me in trouble !lol
in the begining i was growing 2 plants with "blue" cfls start to finish and it worked well enough to make me happy and continue growing, i really like the idea of using both a mh and hps during flower and will be adding a uvb light soon too. but untill it gets a bit colder i cant manage both heatwise since the move. (no ac venting in now) one of these days i want to do a grow using all my lights for one flower cycle thats 2 600 watt & 1 400watt ballast and the 324 watt t5 for side lighting a total of approx 2054 watts light power ! bet i could grow a couple plants with that !
 
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Blue Planet Nutrients said:
sweet :) Only problem is I haven't found a cost effective method of shipping overseas. I can ship in flat rate boxes via USPS to the UK but the amount of nutrients is limited to quart size and 6 quarts per large flat rate box which costs about $50 I believe. I really need to find a UK distributor or a hydroponics store that would like to purchase a pallet of nutrients from me for resale. That is the only way I could get my nutes to my mates across the pond for a good price.
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interesting. im not put off in any way, it just may mean it will cost me more in shipping, shame our laws prevent me being able to make it tax deductable, lol.

ill have a think on it. my buying power is low atm and i have no interest in 'selling' anything to anyone as im way too shy in the flesh or on the phone, but that doesnt stop the possibility of me one day sending you a 'deposit' so as not to dent your cashflow forcast and you sending a mixed pallet, i could then be reshipping from here to where it needs to be...not so much an official redistributer, but more like a parcel boy, lol...it could give you a beachhead over here.

i could then go trolling local level hydro's asking for bpn products and if they dont have it i could make some quip about keeping up or being left behind and if you combine that sort of tactic with a uk trade website (business to business scale), well you get the picture.
thoughts are overflowing before ive given them time to stew, lol.
 
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hey Corey great info there,im always learnibg from you and your big brain musch uls lol thanks for that. i love the technical stuff!
 
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jandre2k3 said:
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'Blue for veg; red for flower'

There appears to be widespread misunderstanding on this issue, so let's see if we can clear this up.

First off let us remember there is only ONE SUN. We do not have two suns. Does the solar spectrum change from spring to fall? Of course the sun itself does not change according to earth's seasons, but what of atmospheric filtering? The changes are so small as to be ignored.

So the obvious answer is that with at least one light source, two different spectra are not necessary for plants to germinate, grow and fruit.

Well then, how and why did the two light system come about? HPS spectra is less than optimal, but it has the highest photon flux density of any man-made light source (plasma may have recently surpassed HPS).

1. Seedlings and young plants do not need the blast of light that HPS provides, so why waste power when a lower wattage light (CFL, T5, MH) is more than adequate?

2. Cannabis needs adequate blue light to prevent stretching and for optimal leaf growth. HPS is generally very weak in blue, thus an alternate source is chosen for the vegetation stage. MH and fluoro both have sufficient blue to meet a young plant's needs.

Does more blue equal more vegetative growth and more red equal better flowering? No, if the minimum is met more is not better. For example if 20% blue keeps the internodes short during veg, twice as much blue will not make even shorter nodes. In the same way increasing the amount of red required for flowering will not necessarily equal bigger flowers. The proper ratio is fine for the entire cycle.

For example, the whole cool (bluish - not blue) CFL/T5 for veg; warm (redish - not red) for flower is total myth. Warm fluoros contain plenty of blue to meet all of the plants vegetative needs and can keep them short.


So the answer is: If a man-made light is properly designed then only one lamp is necessary.
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To whom ever the original poster is I say this. You forgot a key factor in your argument. Yes, we have one Sun, no it does not change per earths seasons. Atmospheric filtering? Minimal. However the light spectrum DOES change. It's called the Doppler Shift and is due to our elliptical orbit. Plant DO recognize this. Though it is not required to flower Cannabis, it may matter for other species. I have a cool new friend who knows all about plants, she'll probably know. I'm gonna ask her later.
 
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