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Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - Blue Planet Nutrients - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Te

as i understand it currently the plants stretch because they are looking for the blueish side of the light spectrum, so when we switch the blue for yellow they are still in "veg" untill they realize its "fall" and their hormones catch up to what we want, sooo what im doing is flipping the light from glr to 12/12 but making sure they are getting as much or more of the blue light as they were getting in veg, then after 1 to 3 weeks the plants will be flowering nicely and hormonally ready to use the yellow light of hps , so far this theory i have is testing out to be effective

The advantages to minimal stretching should mean we can veg longer for bigger plants, less light stress to the plants,less hermie's popping up,healthier plants,stronger branches, all this should equal bigger harvests of better quality medicine, im hoping(fingers crossed)


ok my fellow growers time for a decent veg tent update, theres before and after topping/trim shots of most plants, i also feed them all the new organics i got 2 days ago from my upgraded bpn prize package, and all got a nice seaweed misting, enjoy the show
 
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i wish there was a way to rotate pics after upload, if there is i have not found it, i did not do before and afters of the autos and forgot to take the after shot of widow bomb i got fatigued and rushed at the end of 3 hours of upkeep, as you can see they are doing good, little drought stress from me neglecting them, im gonna have to water daily i think, the most notable things to me is the purple power it extremely branchy and i think is should be in the scrog, also the hj-33,widow bomb, the rest i think should go with topping/lst etc, in the regular tent, whatcha think guys?
 
Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - Blue Planet Nutrients - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Te

Looks like I am going to have to spring for a mh ballast and bulb. That may have been the reason I have stretched so badly. Keep me in the loop on the lighting experiments.

-TG
 
Re: B.I.D. 3.0 Video Grow - Blue Planet Nutrients - JDL600 - Coco - GLR - 400WMH - Te

Looking goof BID! Very nice.. :)

So, back to the stretch thing.. If they stretch, doesn't that mean big buds as well? Have you notice how much growth they get while leaving the same veg light for 2 weeks into flow then switch vs the old way?

I see your growing some auto's.. I have a G13 Labs Blueberry which today I noticed its starting to flower already and its maybe 12" tall.. WTF? I wanted to try CS on her to get seed but I'm thinking that will be a waste if it flowers so soon.. There aren't enough nodes on the bottom half to consider CS'ing it.. Kinda disappointed but then, it was a freebie seed from Attitude..
 
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TacticalGrow said:
Looks like I am going to have to spring for a mh ballast and bulb. That may have been the reason I have stretched so badly. Keep me in the loop on the lighting experiments.

-TG
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yeah im gonna keep updating how it works, you may be able to do it with cfl ,what do you veg with?

UltraNewb said:
Looking goof BID! Very nice.. :)

So, back to the stretch thing.. If they stretch, doesn't that mean big buds as well? Have you notice how much growth they get while leaving the same veg light for 2 weeks into flow then switch vs the old way?

I see your growing some auto's.. I have a G13 Labs Blueberry which today I noticed its starting to flower already and its maybe 12" tall.. WTF? I wanted to try CS on her to get seed but I'm thinking that will be a waste if it flowers so soon.. There aren't enough nodes on the bottom half to consider CS'ing it.. Kinda disappointed but then, it was a freebie seed from Attitude..
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i think for the most part the more nodes you have the more bud, the long sections in between dont grow buds just act as spacers , i have had plants stretch with 6 inches between nodes and at harvest im cutting out long sticks that are useless to me i would rather not have all that space between the nodes,
what i have noticed is if im using glr then go to flower i generally see flowers in a week sometimes less that defiantly cuts out some stretch,, thats if the plant is mature be it cutting or clone, but a plant can double its height in a week by elongating stems, i dont see how long stems equal bigger buds, all we can do is try and see!:thumb:
on autos you kinda have to throw what you expect out the window they are little monsters that do what they want, if your gonna cs spray them it needs to start early like after the 3rd or 4th node, dedicate the whole plant to new seed is best, although i had great luck with a cream caramel, i chopped it but left the bottom half for seed production, i dusted auto pollen on some low buds, and cs sprayed 2 after a month i had pollen sacks and let it self, so i got about 8 self seeds and 200 crossed with Himalaya blue diesel auto, and 150 crossed with mi5, patience is key, they dont up n die after they are ready for harvest, they will live on a long time so you can play, hope that helps
 
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Your talking me into running my MH into flower for 2 weeks! lol They are about 24" right now.. Plus 12" for the pot so that's 3ft. Should I veg longer or just try out the MH in 12/12 now? I'm in no hurry but being my first grow, I kinda want some head stash out of it as well.. :) though I can get supplies are my dispensery to tie me over..

Do you know of any other threads where someone has tried this lighting schedule?
 
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bigirishdoode said:
yeah im gonna keep updating how it works, you may be able to do it with cfl ,what do you veg with?
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My 150w HPS and an el cheapo 2' florescent grow lamp
 
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UltraNewb said:
Your talking me into running my MH into flower for 2 weeks! lol They are about 24" right now.. Plus 12" for the pot so that's 3ft. Should I veg longer or just try out the MH in 12/12 now? I'm in no hurry but being my first grow, I kinda want some head stash out of it as well.. :) though I can get supplies are my dispensery to tie me over..

Do you know of any other threads where someone has tried this lighting schedule?
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i dont know of anyone off hand doing this, i have just been gleaning info here n there, putting it together in my head with what i have done and been reading about, i feel it will work well, and i dont really see a downside, at minimum nothing will be different and they'll stretch as usual ,but i dont think so, im doing it with my next flower cycle as soon as my girls in flower finish up, actually for the scrog im only gonna switch to the hps if they look like they really need it in the last 3-4 weeks of flower, plan is to keep the t5 as close as possible with mega attention to screen & canopy management, and run the t5 to the end with 6500k bulbs it has 6 54 watt 4 foot t5 lamps 30,000 lumens, so if i can keep the light within 3-4 inches of all buds it should produce nicely, but i have a 400watt and a 600watt for backup, in a few months i went from nothing but cfl bulbs to more lights than i know what to do with! lol

TacticalGrow said:
My 150w HPS and an el cheapo 2' florescent grow lamp
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well if you have the dough it would serve you well to get one, does your 150 let you use a mh bulb? cuz many ballast's nowadays do..
 
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I do not believe that my ballast supports MH as it is one of the Sun System 150w HPS systems. I am unable to detect anything in the manual to the light that says I can. I posted over in my journal a recap of my grow room and threw out some ideas giving you an honorable mention about the lighting tests. It may give you more insight. The dough is the biggest problem as I am a single parent of 2 kids, school just started, and holidays are coming. I wish we had a classified section so I could pick up a set up from a member.

-TG
 
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TacticalGrow said:
I do not believe that my ballast supports MH as it is one of the Sun System 150w HPS systems. I am unable to detect anything in the manual to the light that says I can. I posted over in my journal a recap of my grow room and threw out some ideas giving you an honorable mention about the lighting tests. It may give you more insight. The dough is the biggest problem as I am a single parent of 2 kids, school just started, and holidays are coming. I wish we had a classified section so I could pick up a set up from a member.

-TG
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my hydro store has a display magnetic ballast on sale for 100 bucks, then all you would need is the bulb. it does HPS and MH it's a 600 watter
 
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I think 600 watts would be hard to control heat with. But that is good to know. Thanks for the heads up.
 
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LOOK LOOK this is my 100 post *doing happy dance* You know what is sad is the fact that there are people who have been on this site less time than I have and posted so many more times than I have....Oh BID the girls look awesome I know I peeked in the flower tent today lol
 
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happy 100th sweetie + reps for hanging in there and being my guiding light thru thick n thin your an amazing partner in all things we do from love to growing moving to just being still together i pause and reflect on my great fortune often! soon very soon new flavors to expirence!
 
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bigirishdoode said:
the rest i think should go with topping/lst etc, in the regular tent, whatcha think guys?
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I think BID knows best what to do!! :cheesygrinsmiley:

Thay are beautiful!
 
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the digital hps ballast can power mh bulbs of the same wattage, but the mh ballast cant power hps bulbs and its only the digital hps ballasts that can power both bulbs.

i have grown a few autos now and all mine started flowering between week 2 and 3, and some flowered at around 6 inches high, the problem i have is what lighting schedule is best, i was told an auto wont flower under 24-0, so i did this with 2 autos and again around week 2 they started flowering, so they will flower even under constant light, now ruderalis grows in cold climates with long light hours, so they should grow best under more light hours, but they are crossed with indica strains to make them produce the buds we want, so does this now mean that they would benefit from some night time, say 18-6, or 20-4, i was told to keep them under 24-0 or ill have a smaller yield, but after seeing how much my plants grew when i had a power cut for 22 hours im not so sure, i wonder if autos would get bigger under 18-6,

ill be ordering some autos and running some tests, the main test i want to run is a 2ltr dwc hempie with an auto, im trying this due to the results i got, i have got a massive 5ft 2ltr dwc hempie, now i took cuttings from this and rooted and planted them in soil pots, now they have not had the massive growth the dwc hempie did, so clearly the problem is the soil, i either need to mix my own and add what i can or dwc really does give the plants what they want, i just harvested an afgan skunk 2ltr dwc hempie and the buds where huge, i did not lolly pop like i did last time, but i think lolly popping is ok if you want 1 big bud, but i think you will get bigger yields if you dont lolly pop, i still got huge buds and got more of them, so from now on my hempies will grow as they are with no training,

so ill be giving some autos a try as a 2ltr hempie dwc, this might give them the boost they need to get them to grow and produce a bigger yield
 
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autos are indeed fun to grow, i enjoy their simplicity i find the growth of them to be good under any light schedule, glr or 18/6 i like best for autos, i feel all plants do best with dark time in nature they allways get some dark with a few rare exceptions (Akaska?) but i dont think theres any indegenous varities from there, breeding them is fun too , i have several crosses i have made i will be growing later so you fans of autos might enjoy that, i have toyed with the idea of doing an all auto run of 8-10 plants, i think autos have untapped potential most of us dont see, because were so used to growing regular varieties, surely autos thrive under somewhat different conditions,ph ranges,temps,nutes etc, theres lots more to learn and im interested if for no other reason than curiosity:thumb:
 
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i agree, ruderalis grows in the mountains and cooler climates so wonder if lowering the temp would make them grow more.
ive also thought about crossing an auto with a none auto plant, but would it still be an auto, i know they have to back cross to keep certain traits, but if i put pollen on an auto and get seeds then would these seeds still be auto, im only wondering due to the fact that crossing an auto with a none auto should weaken the auto side of the strain and might possibly aid with the growth and yield, but would the male need to be the auto or none auto, the only way i think im going to find out is if i buy a batch of autos and do some testing, so i think ill be giving it a try once i start getting paid from my new job, can treat myself to some new toys and seeds
 
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don when you cross to an auto the autoflower trait is recessive so the first batch of seeds (f1) will only have about 10 -15 % autos, , f2 will be 40-60% f3 3 will be 75-85% auto by f4 it should be 99% if you did your selecting ,backcrossing etc properly you could eventually arrive at your desired plant, with genetics its not like blending colors where if you mix equal parts red & blue you always get purple, with genetics sometimes you get yellow or green, im using colors as a metaphor for genetics, traits can express themselves without warning, in humans this can be seen in the occasional black or white couple having a child that looks opposite their parents, with cannabis there are many traits that can be manipulated to express ,but theres allways a marginal factor, this is why when a rare unforseen "gem" phenotype will be held as a clone only strain until the proper process is done to get the gem to a point where we can get seeds , a prime example is "Grand daddy purple" it was a "clone only" strain/pheno for quite sometime, ..autos that you buy from seedbanks are already well bred (hopefully) by crossing ruderalis with various indica/sativa/hybrid varities and to a point where the autoflowering trait is 99% or greater,i feel crossing autos with regulars is kind of undoing all the work the breeder did making the auto, so for me i only breed autos with other autos, i dont want to lose the auto trait and im fine with how fast they flower after all that speed is the point of it right? if i dont like how a strain (any strain auto or reg) grows i stop growing it! i have read extensivly about autos and breeders have been trying since the 70's to get it right and at one point it was thought impossible to cross rudys into regular cannabis,but determination won, but it was a difficult and long process filled with mostly failure, so i suppose what im saying is that unless you are up for a big job that will take a good deal of time its best to not cross autos with regs, but if you do i highly recommend you pick up a book on genetics, and the book "marijuana botany" by Robert Connell clark

good luck with your experimentation's
 
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