Autoflower Myth Busting Thread

safeman said:
Herbies and Attitude seed banks are distributors NOT breeders - breeders just sell there seeds to bank's for sale because of the delivery issues for world wide shipping, many breeders don't sell world wide. Hope I answered your question - names of good strains Dr. Kippling "increadable Bulk" Heavy weight seeds "Budzilla" Go to "Best Seed Banks.com for a list of top 100 Banks + reviews
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I understand the difference between bank and breeder, i was just a little confused as to how the same strain from different BREEDERS could be the same. Thanks anyway
 
spacef said:
I am interested to follow all those strains, that I intend to get next (except the green crack, may be i'll prefer a lsd or one of the "reggae seeds" brand).

They will grow like any other auto, but one thing that I see more and more and which is not always the best: light 20 h a day. It really depends on the plant type. For exemple, I have better results with flowers of the "Sweet Seeds" brand, now that they got 18h only (6 hours of night). It's like "the blooming strikes back" and resin too - and the electricty bill will be happier too. But I know that other brands do recommend 20 h a day. So it really depends on the brand and various types composing the strain, something that only the breeders know.

So the best you can do now, is to try to contact the brand to ask them wether their strain are made for the following day/night proportioons 16/8 , 18/6 or 20/4 and what is their recommendation.
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Ones mentioned are a 18/6 light cycle for vegative growth and 12/12 for flower - do you need times of marijuana growth - have experience with all and all are very good in potency and yields
 
safeman said:
Ones mentioned are a 18/6 light cycle for vegative growth and 12/12 for flower - do you need times of marijuana growth - have experience with all and all are very good in potency and yields
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Sure ! According to my information, autos should be grown with a constant photoperiod, and there is no need to provoke flowering by changing from 18/6 to 12/12.
It is what i see on the shop website , comments, forum, customer support etc (alchimiaweb in spain).


If you know another way, for exemple, if you say that 12/12 is enough for an auto (at flowering stage ? ) - production, resin etc - , then I'll be super happy to know and to save on electricty (or may be i'll get a second box thanks to those savings ;-) )

and i'll start thinking about mixing the auto with feminized too.

Let us know ! Thanks
 
As it may be interesting to all, I google translated the recommendations from the seed bank KANABIA and his breeder "Pato". They are very different from recommendations by other brands for different plants.

Recommendations for optimal cultivation of cannabis seeds autoflowering Kannabia

Kannabia recommends cultivating these seeds autoflowering only outdoors. However, as some growers prefer indoor growing, Pato, the breeder of Kannabia, advises:

- Pots of less than 5 liters
- Use a 12-14-16 hour photoperiod for faster results. According to his test, the best results in indoor cultivation are obtained with cycles of 12/12 and 14/10
- It is not advisable to practice a higher photoperiod to 16 hours of light per day, this lengthening whole crop cycle, but also the proportions of the plants that are no longer suitable for cultivation under artificial light.
- Also, with a photoperiod of 18 hours, one will have to stop the growth of fertilizer after two weeks, and force the plants to bloom by placing 24-48 hours in the dark before replacing the lamp under 18/6.
- If the plants do not require a reduction in the photoperiod to flower, they are however sensitive: using 20-hour days during the growing and then 12/12 for flowering will help speed the process.

We hope that these recommendations Pato Kannabia help you get the best possible results of these automatic varieties of second generation if you must grow them indoors.
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Does it make sense to you experienced people ? I do not have the same experience, for plant size for example, mine remain very low, because i did not allow them to stretch a lot (lamp close to the top of the plants), and I was around 19 / 20 hours of light per day. Now that I am 18 only, flowers are blooming again... So I guess 20 hours a day is something to avoid ?

I think I will swicth from 18/6 to 14/10 this evening, for the last 2 weeks before crop..... I hope it makes sense.... :)
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That really doesn't make sense to me, I'll admit. We know photo period plants will all force flower at 12 hours of dark. Some only need 9 or 10 or 11 hours, but all work at 12 (See Ed Rosenthal's book). Autoflowering plants tend to flower based on some little ticking timebomb in their cells *and* encountering flowering nutes in their feed. You can speed them up by starting them out on flowering nutes, in other words. If you flower them by changing their lighting schedules, they're not autoflowers, in the truest sense of the word.

I believe what your breeder is saying is that the breed is not old enough generationally from the original cross to be consistently autoflowering - and this is true of most new autoflowers, from what I gather. As they're being developed, they have a lot of variation in their phenotypes, so some seeds will autoflower and some just won't, until they've been rebred back with themselves to stabilize their characteristics.
 
Thanks a lot growshick...

I found an explanation for Kanabia recommendations, which goes in the direction of what you said :

Kannabia has created its autoflos varieties differently from other breeders , so their plants will not grow in exactly the same way. For simplification, the autoflos Kannabia are quite close to "Early " types.
Flowering is early , provided you do not exceed 16 hours of light per day , or even 12h or 14h for certain plants. The efficiency and power should be slightly above average autoflos

So I guess it is important to know how they are made to be able to give them the right light exposure ? It becomes complicated, as this kind of info is not really widely available....
 
spacef said:
Sure ! According to my information, autos should be grown with a constant photoperiod, and there is no need to provoke flowering by changing from 18/6 to 12/12.
It is what i see on the shop website , comments, forum, customer support etc (alchimiaweb in spain).


If you know another way, for exemple, if you say that 12/12 is enough for an auto (at flowering stage ? ) - production, resin etc - , then I'll be super happy to know and to save on electricty (or may be i'll get a second box thanks to those savings ;-) )

and i'll start thinking about mixing the auto with feminized too.

Let us know ! Thanks
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Sorry thought you were talking other than auto's - for auto's recommend 18/6 light cyle thru grow switching to flower bulbs at week 4 of growth (auto grow cycle : week 1 germination/seedling stages - weeks 2 and 3 = vegation stage of growth and weeks 5-8 flower stage use of 3 gallon works well 5 gallon if space can take them - Hope this helps
 
Henry998 said:
Great thread guys, some really great info all round. Im gonna be starting my 1st auto grow in the new year, I've selected 4 strains. Has anyone got any experience with these;
(All fast buds)
girl scout cookies
Green crack
pineapple express
blackberry
Thanks in advance.
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I haven't personally grown them but when fast buds first dropped all of those strains I saw some top growers drop them all I followed closely and they all killed it.. nice hardy plants and good yielders
 
Wow I was lazy and missed A LOT lol..... here's the deal yall seem to have the breeders and banks worked out...

Let's talk breeder specs on seeds... and as for the heavy weight going 600 to 1000 grams.... lol... maybe in the hands of a world class hydroponics grower.

For us common folk... read the seed description of the smells and type of high... don't even look at how long it's gonna go or how much your gonna get... they are fudged a bit by most breeders and besides that a plant that say grow chick gets 200 grams on may only get 75 in my setup with my style of growing or just the other way around.... and say my friend beast runs an auto in a 5 gal under led that goes 93 days for 250 grams... I say hey that's awesome and take that seed and pop it in my 1 gallon pot in a cab under some cfl... I'll probably run 80 days and get 50 grams... best thing you can do is either pick seeds that you like the sound of as far as taste or porency or effect... and just grow them yourself. Or watch the people who grow like you do trained or not trained how they feed organic non organic and see the results they get... and if you want the same mimic what they do.


I've grown some massive autos but it's not because I'm a pot plant whisperer... it's because I found others who were pioneers in what I wanted to do (grow big plants) and I followed them and watched what they did and how they did it then emulated them...
 
A-train ? question for the nute master please.. I'm tryin to follow your regiment to a tee, pots,media,nutes n such, I purchased all the beginner ones u listed. The problem I have is I don't no if I did it bye accident or it was a shipping error but I have g.m.b. Ph perfect. Upon reading all the label instructions most of the nutes say their compatible with all "non-ph perfect nutes" do you know does this simple mean I cannot mix them together? Are can I not use them at all? Thanx first timer...
 
All that means buddy is that the grow micro bloom are ph perfect nutrients and will balance your ph.... and they are compatible with the vodoo , overdrive, and Big bud, wich are outstanding products but DO NOT balance your ph....

If you got the g m b voodoo big bud and overdrive your golden if ya follow the beginner feed and hit me up ANYTIME with questiobs
 
To everyone else as well thanx so much for all the help so far. Still don't get how to start that journal though??? Lol.. Go to grow room,grow journals...........
 
Reddog1981 said:
To everyone else as well thanx so much for all the help so far. Still don't get how to start that journal though??? Lol.. Go to grow room,grow journals...........
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and "create new thread".... (at least that's how i just did it).
 
K a-train just wondering y they say compatible with any " non ph-perfect products "? Also advance nute chart only shows voodoo when u plug in ph-perfect g.m.b. ?? I don't wanna go start mixin piranha,b52,cal mag with my g.m.b and voodoo and maybe kill some good bacteria/fungi throw of ph or even worse kill the baby girls ha know:rip:
 
Atrain said:
WFor us common folk... read the seed description of the smells and type of high... don't even look at how long it's gonna go or how much your gonna get... they are fudged a bit by most breeders and besides that a plant that say grow chick gets 200 grams on may only get 75 in my setup with my style of growing or just the other way around.... and say my friend beast runs an auto in a 5 gal under led that goes 93 days for 250 grams... I say hey that's awesome and take that seed and pop it in my 1 gallon pot in a cab under some cfl... I'll probably run 80 days and get 50 grams... best thing you can do is either pick seeds that you like the sound of as far as taste or porency or effect... and just grow them yourself. Or watch the people who grow like you do trained or not trained how they feed organic non organic and see the results they get... and if you want the same mimic what they do.
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This is the most critical thing to remember - seriously - go for the flavor/effect you want from reading descriptions. If you're not running an identical setup to someone else's grow report, you can't compare your grow time or yield. All of it goes into making the plant what it becomes - the temperature, the humidity, the available lumens, the available nutrients, the grow medium - it all impacts the final outcome. Unless grown in identical conditions, no two plants of the same strain will turn out the same way. (and if you're dealing with autos, even in identical conditions it's not gonna happen lol) Like, each plant has a maximum height and yield, but so does each gardening system! The two factored together is what you're gonna get.
 
I think you need to research the products a little more my friend.. and if you plug in GMB for veg it will have b52 there as well and if you read the descriptions then you will see that vodoo puts beneficial bacteria in the soil... piranha adds benificial fungi... I don't see how benificial fungi and bacteria would kill each other in your root zone???

Anything I post in the feed schedule is not something I sit back and assumed. It's tried and true... and using the piranha AND vodoo in Veg was OK straight from AN grower support
 
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