Ase's Perpetual Fun With Coco

[Asesino85]

Hi Asesino just stopped by to say hi. I checked out a few pages of your journal and I've got to say you have mad skills your grows are awesome! I need to take some time and read through your entire journal hoping to pick up some good information to help me grow.

It's getting to be a long one. Thank you for the compliment. I do feel pretty fortunate that things have gone this way since I first started growing. I hope you are able to find some good things in here! If you have any questions ask away!

 

[Asesino85]

Day 46 Flower Tent B - Day 20 Veg Tent A

Yesterday I decided to top the veg girls. Everything went smoothly. As you can see I leave the nodes on the 5 finger leaves and the 7 finger leaves. Everything below comes off. I've debated leaving the 4th and 5th nodes instead of the 3rd and 4th but this has always worked for me so if ain't broke...

Topped and recovering fast. Pretty cool to think that these little branches will become the 4 main branches for my quadline. This part is really essential if you want to quadline. These 4 branches need to be healthy and not stressed or broken the whole time. They hold up the weight of the whole plant and will be the main nutrient suppliers to that quadrant of the plant.

The flower girls seem to really be smelly this time around. This also seems to be the most resin production I have gotten as well. Time to really push the P-K and see what they can handle for the next few weeks. Hopefully it involves a lot of swelling.

Lemon Venom

Cinderella99

Ice

Jock Horror

 

[Pennywise]

Great stacking and frost going on

 

[newty]

Super frosty! Your girls are catching up quick to mine

 

[newty]

Hey Ase, I have big knuckles on those 4 branches now, is that because of the nutrient highway? I didn't have those on my last girls! This picture is from a few days ago and they are bigger now! I'll take a better picture at update time

 

[Asesino85]

Hey Ase, I have big knuckles on those 4 branches now, is that because of the nutrient highway? I didn't have those on my last girls! This picture is from a few days ago and they are bigger now! I'll take a better picture at update time

It's the start of what should be a nutrient highway. The plant knows it's only got 4 main branches to work with so it's pumping everything it can through them. Those knuckles will just keep getting bigger and bigger. It's a sign that the plant is preparing to hold a good amount of weight. By topping and training the plant now knows it won't be growing vertical on a main stem and can't push lower nodes because they are gone. It also combines another theory I believe in when it comes to guiding the plants energy and not wasting it. That's why I clip off lower nodes and only leave the 2.

When you pin the stems down like that horizontally it signals to the plant that this is not going to be a bud sight, but rather a branch. I read it in someone's journal once and it made sense to me. They had done some research on all plants and found that when plants are tied down, they shoot different enzymes to that part of the plant. Those enzymes tell each part of the plant what it should be doing and preparing for. Big knuckles mean lots of nutrients can shoot through them so you are right on track!

 

[Cedru]

Hi Asesino just stopped by to say hi. I checked out a few pages of your journal and I've got to say you have mad skills your grows are awesome! I need to take some time and read through your entire journal hoping to pick up some good information to help me grow.

Lol... That's exactly the reason I stop in. Ase knows how to grow, and the style that I like, especially the coco part. Coming here keeps my pen running out of ink and my notebook pages filled!

That's two weeks after pistils, not after 12/12

Shouldn't we be flipping at this stage to 12/12, our am I mistaken. Can we keep them vegging after we see pistils, and if so, for how long?

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[TurboBucket]

Shouldn't we be flipping at this stage to 12/12, our am I mistaken. Can we keep them vegging after we see pistils, and if so, for how long?

*.*.* Cedru *.*.*

You won't see pistils until your plant enters the flowering stage, this is controlled by the build up of hormones in the plant which for photoperiod plants is manipulated with light cycles. My plants had been on 12/12 for approximately 5 days when they clearly and evenly showed pistils. Feel free to stop by my journal to see how I change my light cycles prior to 12/12.

 

[Cedru]

Hi Asesino just stopped by to say hi. I checked out a few pages of your journal and I've got to say you have mad skills your grows are awesome! I need to take some time and read through your entire journal hoping to pick up some good information to help me grow.

That's two weeks after pistils, not after 12/12

You won't see pistils until your plant enters the flowering stage, this is controlled by the build up of hormones in the plant which for photoperiod plants is manipulated with light cycles. My plants had been on 12/12 for approximately 5 days when they clearly and evenly showed pistils. Feel free to stop by my journal to see how I change my light cycles prior to 12/12.

Thank you TB - going to browse through your journal now for some education. I was under the impressing that we can keep them vegging, then flip to 12/12 when we were ready to hit the flowering stage. I really wanted to veg for 7-8 weeks as I'm not really in that much of a hurry...

*.*.* Cedru *.*.*

 

[TurboBucket]

Thank you TB - going to browse through your journal now for some education. I was under the impressing that we can keep them vegging, then flip to 12/12 when we were ready to hit the flowering stage. I really wanted to veg for 7-8 weeks as I'm not really in that much of a hurry...

*.*.* Cedru *.*.*

Your absolutely right cedru. You can begin the flowering phase at your discretion by changing to a 12/12 cycle

 

[newty]

It's the start of what should be a nutrient highway. The plant knows it's only got 4 main branches to work with so it's pumping everything it can through them. Those knuckles will just keep getting bigger and bigger. It's a sign that the plant is preparing to hold a good amount of weight. By topping and training the plant now knows it won't be growing vertical on a main stem and can't push lower nodes because they are gone. It also combines another theory I believe in when it comes to guiding the plants energy and not wasting it. That's why I clip off lower nodes and only leave the 2.

When you pin the stems down like that horizontally it signals to the plant that this is not going to be a bud sight, but rather a branch. I read it in someone's journal once and it made sense to me. They had done some research on all plants and found that when plants are tied down, they shoot different enzymes to that part of the plant. Those enzymes tell each part of the plant what it should be doing and preparing for. Big knuckles mean lots of nutrients can shoot through them so you are right on track!

Thanks for explaining this to me. I googled and googled and just keep getting info on super cropping. They are preparing to be big branches, that's awesome news! I'm hoping to get an oz off each this time.I also got some good info on good stress and bad stress I have the mini fan going on them always now and have two more coming! Thanks again Ase, I'll be updating my girls soon as I gave them their first haircut .

 

[newty]

Lol... That's exactly the reason I stop in. Ase knows how to grow, and the style that I like, especially the coco part. Coming here keeps my pen running out of ink and my notebook pages filled!

Me too Cedru! I'm constantly taking notes.

 

[Asesino85]

Thank you TB - going to browse through your journal now for some education. I was under the impressing that we can keep them vegging, then flip to 12/12 when we were ready to hit the flowering stage. I really wanted to veg for 7-8 weeks as I'm not really in that much of a hurry...

*.*.* Cedru *.*.*

You can keep any photoperiod plant in veg for as a long as you want. When people talk about mother plants, sometimes those plants are in veg for many many months. Which reminds me... I never got my mother plants going yet. Maybe I'll do that soon.

Turbo is exactly right with the science. During transition (usually 7-14 days after setting the lights to 12/12) the plants build up hormones and then explode, giving us our first signs of pistils and hairs. From what I've seen the longer the veg time the faster the transition. It also means the plants stretch less.

With my schedule it seems like I do one week seedling phase, 5 weeks veg. Then I flip the lights to 12/12 and get 2 weeks transition and then 7-8 weeks flower. This ends up being about 16 weeks from start to finish. I'd say most people veg for a couple more weeks than I do. As you get more dialed in and don't cause hardly any stress (by doing things at the correct times, feeding the plants with the right schedule and up-potting properly) it cuts the needed veg time down. When deciding to flip the plants it shouldn't be about time though. It should be about how big the plants are, how even they are and if they are trained in the shape you want them and also how healthy they are. The worst thing you can do is flip a plant that is struggling and stressed.

 

[TheBlaze]

Longer veg, definitely equals less stretch. I learnt that the hard way when I cut back my monster plants thinking they would double in size. They didn't. Not even close. I probably chopped away about a 100g.

 

[Asesino85]

Day 48 Flower Tent B - Day 22 Veg Tent A

Lets start off with the flowering girls today. Can't say I have really done anything new to them so onto the pictures!

The Lemon Venom looked liked the most Sativa by far off the bunch. It was the lankiest and also had the skinny, long leaves instead of short and fat ones. Funny part is, the seed description says 100% Indica. Either way it is super sticky and even the fan leaves are starting to get covered in trichs. Because she is so lanky I am going to have to tie her up soon to support the colas. I can already tell with the weight she has put on the last week or so that she is starting to bow out a bit. A good "problem" to have I suppose but it means a little extra work.

The Cinderella 99 just keep plugging away. She is starting to get chunky and frosty. She has always been the bulkiest and sturdiest but was a little behind on the trichs. Still the bulkiest and catching up on trichs now.

The Jock Horror is still the shortest (she's on a booster) but she is super frosty. She has also bulked up better than I thought she would so I am happy about that.

It looks like it is shaping up that another Nirvana seed might take the cake for a grow. The Ice is bulky and frosty. The Cinderella 99 has one cola that is pretty tall and the rest are about the same height. Well the Ice is all at that level too. She is like the perfect combo of all 3 of the others. Still a lot of time left but I think she is going to be the best. We will see, you just never know.

Blurple

The Veg girls have recovered incredibly from the topping. Didn't seem to skip a beat at all. It's pretty cool to know when things happen by feel. I took a look back at another journal to see what day I did things then and I am almost exactly on the same timeline. I topped, transplanted and basically have done everything at the exact same time/day, this time 100% by feel. Anyways, it's kind of a weird feeling not using notes or timelines now. Pretty fun to see if it's all in the memory banks. I'm not really using my schedule that detailed anymore. Just getting in the ballparks and calling it good. I know I am close to the N-P-K ratios and ppms but I've been bumping things up and down this whole grow based on what I see.

At topping

Today

The sisters

 

[Pennywise]

Everything looking super in the flower tent and the youngins are healthy as they can be. .

 

[TheMadDabber]

I noticed too if the strain likes it and you top right as they're hitting stride in veg it doesn't seem to bother them too much .

The ice does look really nice but so does jock! Great work. Your really rocking the perpetual.

 

[Asesino85]

Thanks for explaining this to me. I googled and googled and just keep getting info on super cropping. They are preparing to be big branches, that's awesome news! I'm hoping to get an oz off each this time.I also got some good info on good stress and bad stress I have the mini fan going on them always now and have two more coming! Thanks again Ase, I'll be updating my girls soon as I gave them their first haircut .

I took this for you! That's what those knuckles will turn into. I think this one is trying to turn into a tree. It's hardening up at all the joints for reinforcement. Haven't had that happen before at least not to this extent. Also I'm 100% sure you'll get that goal. As long as nothing crazy happens in flower, you are well on your way to an oz off each plant.

Started as this.

 

[newty]

Wow so much goodness, I don't know where to start. First your flowering plants are ridiculously awesome! I don't know how you keep 4 different strains so healthy and working together, that's nuts dude, great job! I really want to have different strains going in my next grow because I need a sativa and an indica plant to replicate my medical needs. I'll be giving that a go in March Thanks for thinking of me and taking that #knuckleshot .almost my favourite hashtag this week! Lol I can't wait for my trunks Thanks Ase.

 

[SOG001]

Ase lookin good man!