Ase's Multi-Strain Quadlining In Coco

This is a great example of how growing alongside you this round has benefited me. I have considered defoliation the last couple of days, knowing it was an inevitability on Amnesia x OG at an absolute minimum. Seeing what you've done lets me know my hunch is right and gives me the confidence to go for it.

Your plants look great - those Critical Cheese colas are going to be fat!
 
I'll tag along. Ive been referring to it as 4waying my plants. But I like the nod to the original in quadlining.

Welcome Turbo! My training isn't revolutionary. It essentially is a more intense version of 4 way LST. Kind of a flux/4-way LST hybrid. The key is to recognize when the plants take off and really train hard in veg. There are certain steps like taking off the 2 bottom nodes and topping at the 4th node that I think are pretty important. After that you can top, supercrop almost do whatever you want as you will have the 4 main support branches. It's just a good basic start for a plant. Glad to have you tagging along!
 
Defoliation helps your plants to absorb light more efficiently

Welcome back to another journal Sara. Still showing off what I can do with Mars Hydro lights! Defoliation is huge with the way I grow and train, especially to help get light to places. Anything that can't get light gets cuts off.
 
Welcome Turbo! My training isn't revolutionary. It essentially is a more intense version of 4 way LST. Kind of a flux/4-way LST hybrid. The key is to recognize when the plants take off and really train hard in veg. There are certain steps like taking off the 2 bottom nodes and topping at the 4th node that I think are pretty important. After that you can top, supercrop almost do whatever you want as you will have the 4 main support branches. It's just a good basic start for a plant. Glad to have you tagging along!

For sure. You get 4 big ole stalks for upward delivery.
 
I’m all caught up and can vouch for @Asesino85 training methods. The Quadline is what’s up! I need to dial in the Nutrients and I’ll be growing monster quads too;)
Here is my WW plant Ase, trained using the Quadline Method.
 
That’s definitely a heavy defoliation. I I’m about to do it to one of my plants. I’m always so scared to cut that much off tho but I guess light key

It is very scary the first few times so I don’t blame you at all for feeling that way. I pull off trays of leaves at a time sometimes. If the feed schedule is on point and the plants are healthy then there will be no issues!

The feed schedule and health of the plant is really important. I view fan leaves as back up storage pockets. When something goes wrong then the plants use up the nutrients in those leaves and that’s where you get faded looking leaves or deficiencies. As long as my plants are healthy then I’m pulling leaves to allow light and air to get through. If for some reason a plant has stalled or isn’t healthy then I don’t touch it until it has.

Wait until you do some lollipopping and are clearing out branches that won’t make it. That is a crazy feeling but I don’t like the plant wasting energy on that stuff. Ends up being “larfy” bud. Some people use that larfy stuff for edibles and trim but I’d rather the plant use the energy it was using on that lower stuff to make the good stuff even better.
 
I’m all caught up and can vouch for @Asesino85 training methods. The Quadline is what’s up! I need to dial in the Nutrients and I’ll be growing monster quads too;)
Here is my WW plant Ase, trained using the Quadline Method.

Welcome Newty! I intentionally haven't posted the link anywhere so people would have to come find it! The only spot I changed it was in my signature. Glad you made it. I'll likely drop the link in my other thread when I close it down at the end.

Newty made it through her first grow and I knew there was a lot I could teach her. Her first grow was tiny but she made it all the way through and that beats most peoples first time. She was willing to learn and has blindly trusted that the information I gave her is correct and now grow 2 is completed with plants that look like that! A perfect example of someone who didn't really know much about growing and now is showing off her stuff to other people. Newty has more focused on the training elements and is using AN nutes but even though the nutes are different, the concepts are all the same. She's even forced her training ways onto @SwAggNiFiCeNt's plants. She is right when she says that the next step is dialing in the nutrients to get those monster quads!
 
Day 20 Veg Tent A - Topping Day

These girls were ready to be topped. I topped as I showed I would in the previous post yesterday. Not really an update but just noting when the topping was done. Once these recover from the topping I will do more training and then they will begin to explode into aggressive veg mode.

Before. Almost all my plants get the same stress look at this point. I take off these fan leaves soon anyways so they are doing their job giving the plants what they need during this time of adjustment. Not worried at all and really only focused on the new growth.
After topping.
Flower Tent girls loving the defoliation yesterday.
 
Here for another installment! I'm gonna see if I can copy your feed levels for a better flower. I ran into some lock out last round. Looking to remedy That! Thanks for all the great info. Keep it coming
 
Here for another installment! I'm gonna see if I can copy your feed levels for a better flower. I ran into some lock out last round. Looking to remedy That! Thanks for all the great info. Keep it coming

Welcome back TMD! It's worth a shot. I'm glad Dobewon has been pretty meticulous with it so I can see what another person can do with it. He is getting similar results to me so I'm going to say that it verify-ably works.
 
Day 19 Veg Tent A - Day 25 Flower Tent B - The Quadline Begins!

I have two main tents in my grows. I call them Tent A and Tent B and the plants stay in those tents for the full flower cycle. My titles reflect the days that those tents are at. I do not keep a total day count but I do list way day they are in veg and then start the counting over when flipped. My other journal will shut down this weekend and this journal will inherit some plants I have that are almost done with 4 weeks in flower. I'm not going to talk a ton about them as they are already mature. This journal will focus mainly on from start to finish how I do a grow now. With that in mind, these ones in flower should give a good picture of what they will look like in the end. People can see what I am doing and kind of the result down the road at the same time.

Starting off I kind of jumped into this journal with plants that were not entirely from the beginning. If you would like to see my germination method, it hasn't changed and is in my other journals. Pretty simple as it's the plastic baggie and paper towel method. Quickly soak a paper towel in very low nutrient (200ppm) 1-1-1 NPK solution where most of the nitrogen should come from the cal-mag. then I wring out that paper towel until it is just moist and not wet and put the seeds in it. Put that in a plastic bag and wrap in a kitchen towel. Then put either on a DVR or computer (something kinda warm) and in about a day and a half they will be ready to planted. I start in little pots and pretreat and wash the coco with a 1-1-1 NPK solution of about 350 ppm. Plant the seed with the root facing down about 1/2" down and into a veg tent and watch it grow! You should see roots coming out the bottom and usually about 13-14 days they are ready to get put into their 3 gallon final homes. Now we are all caught up and the last update was the transplant.

They had all recovered pretty nicely from the transplant so it was time to start the quadline. The first step into doing a quadline is to pick two nodes to keep and train as the 4 main branches. I top at the 4th node and remove the 1st and 2nd nodes and keep the 3rd. That makes the 2 branches that come out of node 3 and the 2 branches that come out of node 4 as my 4 quadlined branches. These 4 branches support the whole plant and grow mostly horizontal during veg. This allows other branches to grow out of these and become the main colas of the plant. If kept evenly with each other by adjust the training ties, the plant will stay relatively even with itself the whole way. Do this with 4 plants and you get a screenless scrog or quadline.

The line is where I top at. I had already taken off nodes 1 and 2 and had forgotten to take a picture but that is where nodes 1 and 2 were. The fan leaves are the ones with one leaf and 3 leaves respectively. The little cotyledons don't count as a node. I will top them in the next two days but I want them to recover from this defoliation a bit.

The end results of this method. This is on my Blackjack plant 25 days into flower.

I am a firm believer of guiding energy around the plant and not wasting it. I don't want things to grow that I know I am going to cut off. I don't want the plant to waste energy if it doesn't have to. That energy could be used to get other branches sturdier. My three most important factors in a good grow are:

Lights
Environment
Grower Experience/Training

You can't grow good plants with crappy lights. I'm not saying I have the best lights but they work very well. They aren't $50 lights and they aren't cfls. If you want to grow good stuff with a good yield then don't skimp here. The environment and keeping the temperatures in check is 2nd most important thing to me. I used to preach a lot about humidity but it really is more about temperatures and airflow. The quadline helps space the plant out evenly so you can get good airflow in the long run, even when the buds are fat. It gives each cola it's own space and keeps them all at the same height. Grower Experience so you can learn to read a plant and what it needs. Each nutrient does something for plant and knowing when a plant is begging for more or needing to back off is important. You'll recognize when certain things happen every grow and be able to see positive and negative differences when experimenting. It's also huge for when things go awry and you need to make the right decision and fix things. Things happen fast in coco for the good and the bad sometimes. Training is also a form of grower experience as you need to know when the appropriate time is to do things. If the plants are healthy all the time then you can train them and defoliate them as much as you like and they always bounce back.

Defoliation is key with my methods as I want the plant to get as much light penetration as possible. It also helps keeps the leaves from sitting on each other and building up moisture. It also opens up airflow to strengthen the plants. Amazing how all 3 of my top factors bleed into each other right? One always is effecting the other and the synergy is what creates amazing plants. The defoliation by taking nodes 1 and 2 of the youngest girls begins getting them used to getting nicked up here and there.

The girls that are 25 days into flower got a defoliation as well. This tent is Tent B and they have all been quadlined. All 4 are even mostly the same height at about 2.5 ft from coco to canopy. The BlackJack has a few taller colas than that but for the most part I would like every grow to look like this one.

Before defoliation.
After defoliation.
Sideshot.

Tutankhamon - Really better than I thought it would in the end.
Anubis - A little different but growing well.
BlackJack - Biggest.
Critical Cheese - Stacking incredibly.

Man you re not kidding with defo! A hahaha! Wonderful plants! Love it!
 
Hey Asesino I just finished catching up I love growing in coco my last grow netted me 3 lbs of very fine nuggets in a 4x6x8' space with the plants being topped once and left to grow pretty much with no other training . The plants got too big for the room for this reason I will be trying your methods . I am currently building a new room that will be 7'6" x 9'6" giving me alot more elbow room the drain table I will be growing on is 4'x6' the remaining space will be used for clones and breeding. I would agree with you that lighting and enviroment are the most important factors in a successful grow. You do need quality nutrients. My next grow will be with Snoops premium nutrients.
I will be using your quadlining method I will be growing More cowbell, OG Kush crossed with Granddaddy purple and Nevada privada . the new grow won't happen until November due to my son and his wife and mother in-law moving in with us while their new house is being built. This will give me time to follow along and pick up some pointers. Good luck!
Congratulations on you new baby boy!
 
Hey Asesino I just finished catching up I love growing in coco my last grow netted me 3 lbs of very fine nuggets in a 4x6x8' space with the plants being topped once and left to grow pretty much with no other training . The plants got too big for the room for this reason I will be trying your methods . I am currently building a new room that will be 7'6" x 9'6" giving me alot more elbow room the drain table I will be growing on is 4'x6' the remaining space will be used for clones and breeding. I would agree with you that lighting and enviroment are the most important factors in a successful grow. You do need quality nutrients. My next grow will be with Snoops premium nutrients.
I will be using your quadlining method I will be growing More cowbell, OG Kush crossed with Granddaddy purple and Nevada privada . the new grow won't happen until November due to my son and his wife and mother in-law moving in with us while their new house is being built. This will give me time to follow along and pick up some pointers. Good luck!
Congratulations on you new baby boy!

Thanks SOG. I popped into your grow a few times. You did a pretty good job! Coco is like a blank canvas so it is a really fun medium to use. I’m glad to hear you will be trying my training methods. They work really well for me and with the space I have. There is no way I could just top them and let them grow. I’ll be excited to see that journal in the Fall for your next grow!

I think you have me confused with someone else as I surely don’t have a newborn (thank god). I couldn’t handle all that right now!
 
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