Antics Power Flower - Cali Jack FIM Grow

[MrRandyWatson]

Yeah, except when you start training you won't actually have bud sites.

It's really a simple process, and no laughing at my MS paint skills lol:

Here's our imaginary plant:

The first step for me was the FIM, or Topping whichever you choose.

Next we use whatever is comfortable for us, and safe for the plant to tie the branches down. I use ribbon and pipe cleaners, with paperclips on the edge of my pots. These ties usually need to be adjusted once a day or so, constantly moving it outward to keep the branch growing at a 90 degree angle to the stem. We also adjust the ties to allow the lowest branches to catch up, so all of our branches grow outward, and then curl upward at the same height.

As the branches grow, you'll see some growing higher (usually the top branches) so I tend to pull those down more, and let the lowest branches almost grow free, just with some gentle guidance to grow outwards.

When everything is finished, you want a plant that looks like this:

With this plant, you would have 20 bud sites. The difference is that all the bud sites have equal access to the light, and you'll end up growing colas, not just popcorn buds.

Very cool example, it makes sense. Btw, I like your paint skills! I just fimmed both my plants. They are both 22 days from seed, but growing very well. I'm wanting to start some LST. Can you keep pulling branches down while flowering?

 

[Antics]

lol thanks. And yes, you can most definitely keep using LST while flowering. You'll just want to be careful around the bud sites so you don't break pistils off or damage the bud sites, and after a certain point some branches may get as stiff as the main stem.

As pistils and trichomes start growing, you'll also want to choose your LST materials wisely. Pipe cleaners can shed fibers. Same with string. There are some plant training wires covered in foam available at stores like home depot. But to keep costs down, this is why I use ribbon. I find that 1/8" wide ribbon works great when you tie a fixed loop at one end, lay it over the branch, and thread the free end through the loop. This way the branch can expand with a reduced likelihood of the ribbon cutting into the branch.

 

[rick3066]

thought you had a hermie...I figure I got 3..maybe 4 weeks ..no nuts as of yet. I know PG does..

 

[KingJohnC]

While we're on the topic, can anyone explain the differences between a hermy, bolting, and nanners? I've seen all 3 terms used, but was never able to find a true comparison and explanation of all 3 problems.

And to go one step further, assuming they are in fact nanners/bolting, since these just started, Power Flower will more than likely be harvested before any pollen is released since we're at day 50 now. Cali Jack is almost finished as well, and only has 2-4 weeks to go, so Sinsimilla isn't a big problem at this point since the buds are all very well developed, and are actually bigger than the buds on PF.

Would pollination result in feminised seeds? regular seeds? seeds with a higher tendency to hermy?

Thanks for the help guys!

Cannabis plants can produce either hermaphrodite or female pollen sacks from a female plant depending on the stress from genetics, light exposure stress, nutrient stress or chemical manipulation. Cannabis plants that develop round pollen sacks early in flower are most likely either due to genetics or light exposure stress and will produce hermaphrodite cannabis plants. Cannabis plants that Bolt and produce banana shaped female pollen sacks late in flower will most likely be feminized cannabis pollen and can make feminized cannabis seeds. Chemical such as Silver Thiosulfate that I use to produce feminized pollen and create feminized cannabis seeds.

You can see my use of Silver Thiosulfate in my KingJohnC's 400 Watt LA Confidential Seed Cabinet Soil Indoor Grow Journal to create feminized cannabis seeds.

 

[MrRandyWatson]

Are you adding any CO2 to your grow?

 

[KingJohnC]

Awesome grow! I've seen an LST method which starts by completely bending over the top of the plant to the side of the pot and the letting the side shoots become the top of the plant. You essentially, just keep folding branches down around the pot to even your canopy. Have you seen this method I'm referencing? If so is there a reason you chose this form of LST?

The reason I am asking is because I'm trying to figure out what method works best.

You can see examples of how I train my cannabis plants with Low Stress Training and Topping in my Grow Journal and Reviews to produce larger plants with many large colas and large harvests.

KingJohnC's 400 Watt LA Confidential Seed Cabinet Soil Indoor Grow Journal

KingJohnC's Brainstorm Haze Soil Indoor Grow Journal

KingJohnC's Lush Lighting LED Dominator 2x Soil Indoor Grow Journal & Review

 

[MrRandyWatson]

You can see examples of how I train my cannabis plants with Low Stress Training and Topping in my Grow Journal and Reviews to produce larger plants with many large colas and large harvests.

KingJohnC's 400 Watt LA Confidential Seed Cabinet Soil Indoor Grow Journal

KingJohnC's Brainstorm Haze Soil Indoor Grow Journal

KingJohnC's Lush Lighting LED Dominator 2x Soil Indoor Grow Journal & Review

Thanks, I'll check it out!!

 

[Antics]

Are you adding any CO2 to your grow?

I'm not supplementing CO2 during this grow. It's something I have planned for the future though.
I currently spend a lot of time with the plants each day, and I have some pets that live in the same room, so I have some additional CO2 being produced.

And definitely check out KJC's journals. Very thorough, tons of info, and lots of pictures.

Cannabis plants can produce either hermaphrodite or female pollen sacks from a female plant depending on the stress from genetics, light exposure stress, nutrient stress or chemical manipulation. Cannabis plants that develop round pollen sacks early in flower are most likely either due to genetics or light exposure stress and will produce hermaphrodite cannabis plants. Cannabis plants that Bolt and produce banana shaped female pollen sacks late in flower will most likely be feminized cannabis pollen and can make feminized cannabis seeds. Chemical such as Silver Thiosulfate that I use to produce feminized pollen and create feminized cannabis seeds.

You can see my use of Silver Thiosulfate in my KingJohnC's 400 Watt LA Confidential Seed Cabinet Soil Indoor Grow Journal to create feminized cannabis seeds.

Is there any difference in seed outcome if the female plant that produces pollen fertilizes itself vs. fertilizing another female?

As of now the female pollen sacs/nanners haven't appeared to grow much (They're also located at the lowest point of growth on the plant, so they're not receiving much light). I'm keeping a close eye on all budsites to see if anything else pops up, but it's clear so far.

And so far, I don't see any pistils on Cali Jack fan leaves (I've been watching since you mentioned that in your Lush grow), but the fan leaves do have a higher trichome content than other strains I have grown. Petioles are covered in trichomes, and the 2 smallest sets of leaves on most fan leaves have a high enough concentration to be smoked/vaped. So they're going to be great for making oil.

Cali jack buds also feel denser than Power Flower, and are visibly larger.

 

[MrRandyWatson]

I'm not supplementing CO2 during this grow. It's something I have planned for the future though.
I currently spend a lot of time with the plants each day, and I have some pets that live in the same room, so I have some additional CO2 being produced.

And definitely check out KJC's journals. Very thorough, tons of info, and lots of pictures.



Is there any difference in seed outcome if the female plant that produces pollen fertilizes itself vs. fertilizing another female?

As of now the female pollen sacs/nanners haven't appeared to grow much (They're also located at the lowest point of growth on the plant, so they're not receiving much light). I'm keeping a close eye on all budsites to see if anything else pops up, but it's clear so far.

And so far, I don't see any pistils on Cali Jack fan leaves (I've been watching since you mentioned that in your Lush grow), but the fan leaves do have a higher trichome content than other strains I have grown. Petioles are covered in trichomes, and the 2 smallest sets of leaves on most fan leaves have a high enough concentration to be smoked/vaped. So they're going to be great for making oil.

Cali jack buds also feel denser than Power Flower, and are visibly larger.

I know co2 is very important for cfl grows because it helps produce fuller buds. I bought co2 bags online for 25 bucks a piece. They are supposed to last at least 6 months.

 

[KingJohnC]

Is there any difference in seed outcome if the female plant that produces pollen fertilizes itself vs. fertilizing another female?

No, the pollen is feminized pollen that should make 95% female cannabis seeds when used for pollination.

 

[KingJohnC]

I shall be Reviewing the Sierra Natural Science SNS-CO2 Kits in my upcoming KingJohnC's Green Sun LED Lights Znet4 Aeroponic Indoor Grow Journal and Review.

SNS CO2 Kit? | Sierra Natural Science

 

[Zabka]

They're still looking great Hope the little bollocks don't mess anything up for you, or that you get some viable seeds! How many more weeks are you expecting, and are you looking to be on track for your target weight? How many CFLs are over each plant right now? Can you notice the difference in size between buds directly under a bulb and buds slightly off to the sides, or are they all a similar size? Sorry for the inquisition

This is taking way longer than I expected, and every new bit of growth is making us more excited! I can't imagine how hard it must be once those juicy little buds turn up, and the smell starts...Looks like I'll be learning patience as a virtue this Autumn Looking back over this journal, your CJ had a head on our 4-week old when it was a week younger, but it looks like it really shot up in the couple of weeks after that! Hope we have a similar spurt soon.

I have a couple more posts to sort out and then I'm gonna go check out those KJC journals from the last page. Time for some more research before we start mutilating, muahahaha...

 

[Antics]

They're still looking great Hope the little bollocks don't mess anything up for you, or that you get some viable seeds! How many more weeks are you expecting, and are you looking to be on track for your target weight? How many CFLs are over each plant right now? Can you notice the difference in size between buds directly under a bulb and buds slightly off to the sides, or are they all a similar size? Sorry for the inquisition

This is taking way longer than I expected, and every new bit of growth is making us more excited! I can't imagine how hard it must be once those juicy little buds turn up, and the smell starts...Looks like I'll be learning patience as a virtue this Autumn Looking back over this journal, your CJ had a head on our 4-week old when it was a week younger, but it looks like it really shot up in the couple of weeks after that! Hope we have a similar spurt soon.

I have a couple more posts to sort out and then I'm gonna go check out those KJC journals from the last page. Time for some more research before we start mutilating, muahahaha...

Well they're nanners, not bollocks. So if they pollinate, it'll be feminized pollen, and I'll get feminized seeds. If they were bollocks, or balls, it would be male pollen and a 50/50 female/male seed ratio. The seeds would also be more likely to go hermy too.

So I'm in good shape, but no growth on the 2 branches I found the nanners on, and no other nanners spotted anywhere else yet.

Today is day 56 of Flower, and I expect Cali Jack to go AT LEAST another week. But probably 3 more weeks.

I have a total of 14 bulbs, 351 watts for 2 plants.

I THINK I'm on track for my target weight, but I'm still learning. It definitely looks like Power Flower should hit at least 14 grams, and Cali Jack should be at least 21 grams. But honestly, I have no idea lol. I'm only able to estimate based on one other harvest.

I turn my pots 1/4 turn every day, and 1/4 turn 2 times (morning and afternoon) on days I'm home to turn them at noon. So I have no way to compare buds under a bulb, to buds not under a bulb.

Yeah it takes a while lol. Cali Jack flowers 9-11 weeks. And then add your Veg time on top of that lol. Patience truly is a virtue, and like any fine wine, Cannabis gets better with time. Just try to resist picking the plant apart and rush drying buds to smoke them. It'll be worth it when the finished product is done.

I saw my biggest spurt on both plants when they were in flower, so when you go for the 12/12 switch, you'll see some insane growth. Just make sure you're ready for the LST to keep it shaped the way you want.

KJC's journals are great. You can learn a lot in there, and check his signature, he has a few great journals to read.

 

[Antics]

Let's update this too. I meant to do this earlier today but life gets busy and then I ended up putting it off until now.

Day 56 of Flower. Today marks the start of the harvest window for Power Flower, according to the breeder.
I watered Power Flower. No nutes, no molasses.
Cali Jack received 7ml Micro, 12ml Grow, 20ml Bloom/gal. No molasses.

The smell is intoxicating. No wonder someone started rubbing charas. I'd love my hands smelling like this all day too.

Both plants are showing some Phosphorous deficiencies, despite the fact that the nutes, water, and soil are all kept within 6.2-6.8 PH. (Runoff at the flush at the beginning of flower registered about 6.5 for both plants)
PF will be likely harvested in the next couple days, and CJ has 1-3 weeks left, I'm not going to worry much about it. No other deficiencies, no pests, no problems.

Cali Jack still shows no signs of any new nanners, and the ones that I found on the lower branches haven't appeared to grow much, if at all. So I may not get any seeds, but no big deal, I have some regular seeds for that later on

Pictures? Sure I took side shots this time, no canopy shots since I was in a bit of a rush this morning.

Power Flower:

Cali Jack:

 

[Pablo Tesla]

Nice stuff!! Cali Jack has very beautiful colas.
I'd love to see some reference on your next pics, just to compare.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[Antics]

Thanks! I am really, really impressed with Cali Jack. I'm still learning, and her buds are much, much wider than Power Flower. PF is ready to harvest this week, CJ has 1-3 weeks to go still. I can't tell you how much I LOVE that strain. And so easy to grow, train, and it smells so good. Plus, It's 4% CBD! BUT... Also Indica. So I'll need to give you a smoke report. I know you enjoy the Sativa energetic high I planned to use this one to help me sleep.

And what would you like to see as a reference? Do you mean for a size of the colas and buds? I have a lot of objects I can use for that. The most common would probably be a Zippo lighter, a BiC lighter, or I can try to use a ruler if the markings show up. Let me know what you want to see, and I'll try my best to accommodate you.

 

[Pablo Tesla]

Any lighter is great!
I've heard that Cannatonic is very good to sleep. And as well cbd medhaze from cbd crew has a 1:2 thc/cbd ratio.

I've been sleep very well with med gom 1.0, no more than 5 minutes to fall asleep.

I'll be waiting for your smoking report.

 

[Antics]

LOL Same here man! With lower amounts the MG1.0 is so nice during the day. But smoke a little more and it helps me sleep really well.

I'll take a couple pictures tomorrow, or today if I have enough time of a few colas to give you an idea of their size.

It's NOT impressive for normal experienced growers. I don't think I'll have 1 ounce per plant yet But I'm hoping to get there soon.

 

[Antics]

Ok I made it with about 15 minutes to spare before lights out.

Lots of pictures coming, if you don't like it, blame Pablo! lol

I used a standard BiC lighter. The measurements of the lighter are 8cm tall, 2.75cm wide.

Power Flower only has 4 real decent colas, I took one picture of each:

And a ruler to show the thickness of Power Flower's best cola:

Now on to Cali Jack. Again.. blame Pablo, he asked lol. Cali Jack has a lot more decent colas, so I tried to take pictures of a bunch of them, and I know I probably missed a few, but this will give you an idea. And I took a picture with the ruler of the widest cola also:

And the ruler picture:

For me, this is a nice grow. It's an improvement over my last one, and I know some guys wouldn't waste their time on it because of the low yield, but for me just for personal use, and a little extra to make some oil, I'm very happy with my results.

My best two harvests were 8.55g and 9.07g. I really think I can get 14g from Power Flower, and 21g from Cali Jack. That's double and triple last harvest, so why not be happy?

It's not about quantity for me, it's all about quality, as well as always improving my techniques, and improving yield is only a secondary goal after quality.

Questions? Comments? Fire away and I'll do my best to answer!

 

[MrRandyWatson]

Ok I made it with about 15 minutes to spare before lights out.

Lots of pictures coming, if you don't like it, blame Pablo! lol

I used a standard BiC lighter. The measurements of the lighter are 8cm tall, 2.75cm wide.

Power Flower only has 4 real decent colas, I took one picture of each:

And a ruler to show the thickness of Power Flower's best cola:

Now on to Cali Jack. Again.. blame Pablo, he asked lol. Cali Jack has a lot more decent colas, so I tried to take pictures of a bunch of them, and I know I probably missed a few, but this will give you an idea. And I took a picture with the ruler of the widest cola also:

And the ruler picture:

For me, this is a nice grow. It's an improvement over my last one, and I know some guys wouldn't waste their time on it because of the low yield, but for me just for personal use, and a little extra to make some oil, I'm very happy with my results.

My best two harvests were 8.55g and 9.07g. I really think I can get 14g from Power Flower, and 21g from Cali Jack. That's double and triple last harvest, so why not be happy?

It's not about quantity for me, it's all about quality, as well as always improving my techniques, and improving yield is only a secondary goal after quality.

Questions? Comments? Fire away and I'll do my best to answer!

Consider me an optimist, but both plants look closer to an oz in weight. Did you use molasses for this grow? If so, then when did you cut it off? It would be interesting to see how much more you would yield if you supplement co2 into your next grows.