Anti-Gravity Grow! Not a Joke!

just a thought about the magnet reducing air and water consumption... just make something you can put over your control plants to cut off the same amount of air and exposure.

about the polar molecules... depending on the 3D structure of a molecule and the electronegativity of the atoms making it up, a molecule can have an overall charge and will react to a magnetic field.
O2 is symmetrical but because of the high electronegativity of oxygen the electrons are never in perfect balance thus giving the molecule dipoles, either end can act as the north or south depending which has more electrons.
H2O is not symmetrical or linear, the oxygens high electronegativity again is doing all it can to keep the electrons from the hydrogens close. this gives the hydrogens a partial positive charge and the oxygen a partial negative charge making water a polar molecule
 
Hey Furple:

By the blank Stare on my face I'm sure you can see I am a Mechanical Engineer, not a biologist or chemical Engineer! LOL :) So I am to SAFELY assume that Water with Nutes is capable of being pumped via a magnetic forced?

I see your point on blocking the "Control" Plants acces to Air, as they have been fed the same amount of water, but of course you can see a sick plant reuires much less water, as the soil dries out quicker on the control I have!

STG
 
damn dude, now that i had a bit of time to do some reading you got me really interested.

bastard, I don't have any time to get interested in something new. lol. jk of course.

after some reading i think there is really something to this. . . i can't believe that its true though, and not regularly employed. when i searched the net man, i found a ton of high school and junior high science projects that kept coming back with positive results. this one was a 13 year old kid, standing next to a poster in a poster session somewhere, it was cute as hell. after reading his methods and results, man was i impressed. . . what a good little researcher that kid was. will make a hell of a scientist one day.

anyways that kid used radishes and a north field and noticed an increase in average height. Then an older kid did a ,test with 90 spinach plants. he had an increase in size for the 30 exposed to a south field and a decrease to the 30 in the north. interesting stuff. . . i still haven't found an article that explains the process in detail.

i'm hunting though, now more out of curiosity than anything else. . .

i'll find it.
 
ok guys i'm just gonna repost this because i think it will answer some questions. . . but the short answer is the only way to find out the effects will be to do the experiments ourselves. The study of these effects are called "magnetobiology", and it has a wiki page. this is not from the wiki though.


The short answer is YES, magnetic fields do appear to have an effect on the
growth of plants. However, we still don�t really understand how (the
�mechanism�) magnetic fields affect plants. This is a very interesting
question being explored by plant scientists and physicists, since plants
are being exposed to low-level magnetic fields as a consequence of power
lines and other industrial technology, but it is very far from being
understood. Most of the research into this topic is published in Russian
scientific journals, and are therefore difficult to locate, but are
summarized in a review article by Belyavskaya (2004) in the journal
Advances in Space Research (see reference below). The bibliography of that
paper has many references that could be helpful to you.

Weak electromagnetic fields (WEF) are generally thought to suppress the
growth of plants and reduce cell division (arrest cells in G1 phase � the
�growth phase� leading up to cell division). A study by Sytnik et al.
(1984) reported that the growth of wheat, pea, and sugar beet roots was
significantly inhibited by WEF. In contrast, a study by Celestino and
co-workers (2000) reported that weak electromagnetic fields (WEF) increase
the germination of oak seeds (aka, acorns) and their subsequent growth
(shoot length, dry weight). Similarly, Alexander and Doijode (1995) found
that onion and rice seeds exposed to a WEF for 12 h showed significantly
increased germination, shoot and root lengths, and fresh and dry weight of
seedlings. M.V. Carbonell et al. (2000) confirmed that these low-frequency
magnetic fields increase the germination rate and percentage of rice seeds.
However, a study by Govoroon et al. (1992) observed no effect of WEF on the
growth of pea, flax, and lentil seeds. These variable and contradictory
results seem to suggest that the effects of magnetic fields on plants may
be species-specific (e.g., stimulate growth certain plant species, inhibit
growth in some species, and have no effect on others). Even though all of
these studies use �weak electromagnetic fields�, the exact intensity of the
magnetic field is also going to be an important variable. Levels of calcium
(Ca++) inside of plant cells increases following exposure to magnetic
fields, which is one of the proposed mechanisms by which magnetic fields
may affect plants. Calcium ions (Ca++) participate in many plant growth
processes and responses to stress (heat and salt stress, wounding, etc.).
Another potential mechanism is being explored by NASA, which has done some
research showing that magnetic fields may also affect the position of
starch grains (aka amyloplasts) within plant cells, which will influence
the direction of growth of the plant (a phenomenon called geotaxis). See:
NASA - sowing seeds in a magnetic field.

 
if anyone can figure it out its NASA
 
Hey Wheel: Hahahaha! Sorry about the intrigue laser slam I did on you Forehead! :) LOL! :)

Also I have read those as well their seems no rhyme or reason to it, be neat if the results all across the NET could be gathered and put into a Spreadsheet to see if any common characteristics emerge, I just do not have the time!

If it works I get to name it! "Jr's Magnetic Pump Effect" :) LOL! :)

Guys the 2 Plants are not recovering at all after flipping the Magnet, and I can't rule out that it wasn't starving for AIR.

I transplanted 6 x single Seedlings in 1 Gallon pots, so what 3 I have living healthy from those will be the Tests Subjects!

STG
 
i don't think there is any "pumping" of nutes like you guys were talking about earlier. . . thats not really how magnetic fields work. . . the magnets cant help "push" nutes up or down according to its field. . .

i think its way more likely that there are some internal plant processes that are effected by the field. . . . just in case you want to drop the "pump" part of your naming scheme. lol.
 
Hey Wheel:

Hahaha! "Jr's Manetic Effect" Then! :)

I still keep going back to some other things I have seen here lately that is a Laser light Vortex that a Professor at Conn. in Physics is about to shoot a Particle thru this Laser Light generated Vortex to "Warp" Time! This is not a Joke Either! :) At the speed of Light Time Slows Down according to this Professor, not sure if his assistant is Gilligan or Not, but he is Legit!

If Electrons are flowing in the constant motion of the magnetic field and it just so happens to be in a RING or if there's a Concentrated SPEED effect thru the Ring with regards to this flow???????????????? I'm Therizing here!

If you look at all Ring Magnets the BANDS are very concentrated thru the center! Could be a Choking ffect too?

STG

STG
 
STG,

according to Einstien, when two frames of reference are traveling at great speeds two things happen, time dilation (time slows down in the other time frame) and length contraction (things get smaller).

there isnt anything flowing in a magnetic field bro, its static. . . the relationship between electricity and magnetism is well established. when electrons travel through a wire it creates a magnetic field. A magnetic dipole is created with a closed circulation of electric current. A simple example of this is a single loop of wire with some constant current flowing through it.

this means if you run electricity through a loop it will create a magnet. . . but a magnet will not induce electrons to flow in a wire (unless the two are in relative motion). so i dont see how a static magnet will produce any kind of speed or flow effects.

but just because we dont know how a mechanism works, doesn't mean we can't learn to exploit it!!!
 
but just because we don't know how a mechanism works, doesn't mean we can't learn to exploit it!!!
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Congress on the US economy circa June 2008 :cheesygrinsmiley:



Seriously, you guys are fascinating me here - as long as we don't get glowing green radioactive buds at the end of the experiment ;)
 
Hey MaryJane: Thanks, but we have only succeeded in Killing the First 2! Hold your Breath! :)

Hey soniq: I have my Soap Box Handy, don't make me get on it about Congress! Geeeese what a bunch of Morons!

Hey Wheel: Well I am not a Electrical Enginerd either, so I will take your words under advisement, but.............. I still see "Direction" lines illustrated on every magnet diagram, and to me you can't have "direction" unless you have a "FORCE", (Now we are back in the mechanical world) if you have "force" you have "Action" or something to harness! Not sure if it's the right Action or not, and again so far all I have done is Kill a Plant! :)

STG
 
Update:

I have the Experiment set-up, I am not going to use the STG, as Old Girl is not finished yet, and the plants are getting to big to get the magnets over them, so I made a Cardboard box with a Single 23W Bulb as to not induce to much heat, North and South go in closest to the Light and half way between the 2, the control plant goes next to them in a Triangle pattern but further away from the magnetic Field.

I will be trying this thru Veg only as I am setting up a Aero/Drip set-up next time around in the STG and based on the results from this experiment will incorporate the Magnets in the orientation that shows the most Veg Growth.

Sorry guys, but in my situation it is the best I can set-up in a semi-stealth arrangement! It should show what the results are for this time frame of plant growth.

Plants go in tonight, after old Girl wakes up, and I can get the plants out of the STG Chamber!

Experiment_2414c.jpg




STG
 
just found my way back here, ive been busy.

excellent point WHEEL, perhaps a spinning magnet or constantly fluctuating electric field would give more feedback on the issue
 
STG - can't wait to see your results. Even if this only has the possibility of raising yield by 5%-10% it's still well worth the effort. +reps
 
looking back over the post... even a static field should influence the water and nutes... they are not electrons they are di-polar molecules with poles in constant fluctuation. electrons have no +side, only - and its evenly distributed... so a moving magnet is necessary to cause a change in orientation, not so with dipolar molecules... instead of the magnet moving the molecules are already doing that....i would set up a test myself but too busy already with whats goin on down ther. keep it goin STEALTH i have a good feeling.
 

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