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Setting Sun: I agree, and if that is True, then the plant with the magnet in the opposite direction would help increase the Iron Transfer. Also we are not just talking iron, lots of other aspects of plant growth have magnetic propertis and would be the same!

DS8802; I agree with you and wish some other grower with Cloning capability and Hydro would try the same experiment, then the results would be more conclusive! Do I hear a Volunter???????????????????????? :)

STG
 
Well the thinking is in the "vortex" effect and using a Ring Magnet should equalize the Magnetic Field around the Plant not on one side or the other, like all the other experiments I have seen. Then again it could also leach the iron out of the soil. This experiment really needs to be done on Hydroponics I believe wish I had someone else to step up to the plate here on th Hydro set-up!

I could PM someone the website I picked the Mags up at if they had some clones ready?

STG
 
Magnetic therapy is a semi-recognized treatment for human (homeopathic), so who knows.

I'm interested in seeing what happens as well.

++ reps for the experiment
 
Hey Stealth -

From one mad scientist to another... got to say I love willingness just to throw it out there and see if it works!

I was thinking about the iron too... I wonder if it would become magnitized... maybe you could wrap some insulated wire around one plant and make an electro magnet? Then you could turn it off and on, or reverse polarity... or just one one upper branch to see if it has an effect...

+ reps for the experiment!!
 
hey tire, i love your tire grows, but i usually just lurk in the back.

very nice experiment bro, I'd be willing to run one if I had teh time or space but can't really help you out there. i assume you got some neodymium magnets? the experiments i have seen were running 4-5 gauss, do you know the flux of your new magnets?

few things i'd like to chime in on. . . girdling. . . a stem has 2 directions of flow, one up the middle of the stem to get stuff to the top, and then one down the outside skin to get stuff to the roots. girdling cuts off the down flow to the roots, and will hinder their development. . . if you girdle the later in flower however, who care if the roots get stifled, blocking the downward flow of fluids make the top buds retain all the fluids pumped into it and causes them to swell up. . . pretty sweet for MJ.

as far as magnetic fields go, there has already been some work done in this field, but everything i ran across used an electromagnet, and an alternating current and tested from 1hz to like 10,000hz. this is direct evidence supporting that under some frequency plants will grow measurably bigger.

I have access to a full online catalog at a major university here, and can get most any journal article online for free. . . I'll do a bit of looking and let you know what i find, possible send you a couple of PDF's if i find some good ones.

but i have some work to do first buddy, give me a bit of time to get that done first.
 
here are a few peer reviewed journal abstracts with no citations. . . am I in trouble? lol

with a static field:
Young plantlets of maize (obtained from caryopsides with uniform genophond let to germinate and growth within an Angelantoni scientifica climatic room) have been cultivated in the presence of static magnetic field in order to observe the dynamics of plant length. Average values and standard deviations have been daily evaluated. Stimulatory effect of the magnetic field ranging between 50 mT and 250 mT was noticed with a saturation tendency at the 5th, 7th and 9th day. Linear correlations were found to describe the average length dependence on the magnetic energy. After 11 days the total fresh substance mass was weighted as well as the dry substance mass. Logarithmic dependence of the dry substance mass on the magnetic energy was evidenced. The application of t-test revealed the effect of certain non-homogeneity of the magnetic sources



The effect of a constant magnetic field on the germination of bean seeds over 5 days and also the action on dormant wheat and barley seeds before sowing are investigated. Treatment of bean seeds at the growth stage accelerates plant development, increases the above-to-below-ground ratio, and leads to an increase in the adsorbing surfaces of the root system. A characteristic feature of seeds grown under a constant magnetic field is the increased water uptake, quantity of bound water in the leaves, and productivity. Treatment of dormant wheat and barley seeds before sowing increases the winter harvest by 16-20%





with an AC feild:

The effects of pre-sowing magnetic treatments on growth and yield of tomato (cv Campbell-28) were investigated under field conditions. Tomato seeds were exposed to full-wave rectified sinusoidal non-uniform magnetic fields (MFs) induced by an electromagnet at 100 mT(rms)for 10 min and at 170 mT (rms) for 3 min. Non-treated seeds were considered as controls. Plants were grown in experimental plots (30.2 m2) and were cultivated according to standard agricultural practices. During the vegetative and generative growth stages, samples were collected at regular intervals for growth rate analyses, and the resistance of plants to geminivirus and early blight was evaluated. At physiological maturity, the plants were harvested from each plot and the yield and yield parameters were determined. In the vegetative stage, the treatments led to a significant increase in leaf area, leaf dry weight, and specific leaf area (SLA) per plant. Also, the leaf, stem, and root relative growth rates of plants derived from magnetically treated seeds were greater than those shown by the control plants. In the generative stage, leaf area per plant and relative growth rates of fruits from plants from magnetically exposed seeds were greater than those of the control plant fruits. At fruit maturity stage, all magnetic treatments increased significantly (P<.05) the mean fruit weight, the fruit yield per plant, the fruit yield per area, and the equatorial diameter of fruits in comparison with the controls. At the end of the experiment, total dry matter was significantly higher for plants from magnetically treated seeds than that of the controls. A significant delay in the appearance of first symptoms of geminivirus and early blight and a reduced infection rate of early blight were observed in the plants from exposed seeds to MFs. Pre-sowing magnetic treatments would enhance the growth and yield of tomato crop



The impact of combined magnetic field (CMF) on the gravitropic response (GTR) of 3-day cress roots in the frequency region from 1 to 45 Hz has been investigated. Changes of the sign of GTR, its activation or inhibition, or else the inhibition of the root growth itself, were observed at some fixed frequencies. The changes are resonance dependent on the frequency. The frequencies, at which the above-mentioned effects were found, are formally coinciding with the cyclotron frequencies for ions Ca2+, K+, IAA-, ions of gibberellins, ions of abscisic acid and Cu+, as well as, with the frequencies at which the electromagnetic field radiation was observed before [1,2]. Possible mechanisms of the CMF effect on GTR are discussed. © 2005 Begell House, Inc.




the one recurring theme i see throughout the papers is that temperature seems to make the biggest impact on whether or not there will be a positive effect. . . some papers are saying that no effect was observed, and a few report negative results. pretty much what you said earlier.

also i forgot to mention. . . there are different hormones that control a plants growth. . . auxins are the hormones responsible for "gravitropism" or the reason why plants will fight gravity. Phototropism is also enabled by auxins. Auxins are plant hormones that have many functions. In phototropism, auxins are responsible for expelling protons (by activating proton pumps) which decreases pH in the cells on the dark side of the plant. This acidification of the cell wall region activates enzymes known as expansins which break bonds in the cell wall structure, making the cell walls less rigid. In addition, the acidic environment causes disruption of hydrogen bonds in the cellulose that makes up the cell wall. The decrease in cell wall strength causes cells to swell, exerting the mechanical pressure that drives phototropic movement.

just thought i would clarify that, wiki those two terms to find out more.
 
Note the MAgnet in the Picture Noth Pole is Pointed Up! Those 2 Plants were the largest 2 of the 4 leaf Sprouts when the Magnet was put over the plants.

The picture is not the experiment, waiting for Old girl to hurry up an Finish first, then set up the Experiment!

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Hey Wheel: Thanks Bro!

The Seed Treatment that increases yield by 16 to 20% is very impressive!

The Maize Study would be more in tune to what this experiment would be like!

How was the Temperture being evaluated? Or are you referring to Plant enviroment Temp? or SEED Temp at time of Magnetic treatment?

Thanks for doing some research Wheel and the Clues!

Guys is there anybody who has some clones about ready to VEG? There's something here, and if we had several people running an Experiment it sure would help the CAUSE!

STG
 
interesting theory, i am going to check out the weeds next time i pass by power lines. neodymium magnets would work great, they are a lot stronger than regular ones but a little pricey and they kinda "explode" when they crack into pieces, very brittle.

i have seen liquid oxygen suspended between two supercooled magnets so you can definitely influence not only iron and other magnetic elements but polar molecules using magnetism (water is extremely polar). now the question is can that wimpy magnet do enough to be noticed...

i love the idea of wrapping a wire around the plant and thanks for the info WHEEL.
 
Hey Furple: Thanks for stopping in!

Please explain the Polar Molecular benefits in the plant if you can? Interesting!

I agree with you that's why I bought 10 Magnets :slide: Hahaha! 3 per Plant Not sure what the Gauss rate is as the Retailer/MFG where I bought them was not listed. I've used the Neo-Magnets on Engines for Crank Triggers before and they are indeed brittle but way more powerful!

Also the Powerline Comment, all your Powerline right of ways cleared thru wooded areas by Electrical Companies have to be cleared quite often as well, especially in low areas where water is readilly available! ;)

Nice LST tip there too Furple! Thanks!

STG
 
Guys I think this kinda speaks for itself in one aspect, the picture below is of 4 plants all Germinated at the same time, the 2 plants with the Magnet with "North Pole" Facing up were the LAGEST of the SEEDLINGS when the Magnet was put into place. I purposely use the magnet on the largest and strongest looking plants to rule out soil/water/nute aspects, as you can see they are NOT doing well at all! I have now Turned the Magent over to see if they improve any! Not sure if the Magnet in the Cup has DECREASED the air Circulation to the roots and this is what's causing the Problem, if the Plants bounce Back this to me would eliminate the Air Circulation Question!

SIDE NOTE: based on the location of the MAGNET in the STG...... Old Girls Buds closest to the Magnet ARE NOT producing as well as the Buds further away from the Magnet. Pistol Production is down compared to the other sie of the plant and Pistol production increases the further away from the Magnet you get! RESULTS? I have no CLUE! Lets see if the reversing of the Magnet has any positive results on those 2 plants

I used 2 Plants per Pot to eliminate the possibility of 1 plant being defective, and seeing that both plants are being effected, it should eliminate Genes as a Cuase from the Experiment!

STG


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Very interesting. I wonder if the magnet causes trace magnetic elements to get stuck at that point of the stem as they try to flow from the soil through the roots and up the stem? This might either cause accumulation at that part of the stem and subsequent toxicity. Maybe it causes deficiency at the growing tips. Maybe it clogs the pipes. I admit I'm surprised to see any effects at all. Did you clean the magnet well before use to remove any chemicals that might be used in its manufacturing process; things that might be harmful to growth? I wonder if the porosity of a magnet can hold these manufacturing chemicals, if any. :popcorn:
 
Hey Freaknature: That magnet was outside under the eve of a barn for 7 yrs exposed to the elements, and I did indeed wash prior to putting it in the container!

Also I have been very deligent not to wash any chemicals POTENTIALLY on the magnet into the soil, so that is not an issue! Use a Spray Bottle to spray into the Center hole!

Also the Buds closest to the MAGNET are very different than the other side of the SAME Plant! Magnet has only been in the STG for 6 days now!

STG
 
Another thought - if the magnet holds in moisture like a mulch and the soil doesn't have a chance to dry like the other cup, it may cause differences in growth (overwatering). Also, the plants in the magnet cup are closer together - at this age might it make a difference as the plants compete for nutrients? Hmmm...
 

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