AKGramma's Perpetual Grow

AKgramma said:
I had an interesting surprise this morning when the flowering lights came on and I took the time to look.

My AK47xDurban Poison HERMIED! I see a nice fat seed in each of several buds. Note: these are not nanners, but fully-formed seeds.

Can I assume that these seeds are 1) viable and 2) guaranteed Fems?
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So which plant has the male flowers? If it's that one, and it selfed itself - and you cannot account for this because of high stress or treatment with something like sodium thiosulfate or colloidal silver... then I would very much expect those seeds to become female plants that had a high rate of hermaphroditism.

If it was an actual male plant that fertilized those calyxes, then the regular uncertainties would apply and I'd expect the usual 60% to 80% female percentage, depending (as is the case with non-feminized seeds) on environmental conditions.

If it was another female that went shim... I'd tend to expect mainly females in the first generation, but ones that carried a relatively high liklihood of producing opposite-sex flowers. This might appear in those examples, but my guess is that you'd see it more in future generations. And, again, much depends on what caused the male flowers that helped produce the seeds in the first place.

I wouldn't necessarily throw the seeds away. You obviously wish to keep the strain. But I'd be very vigilant when growing out those seeds (and especially if you decide to grow out those seeds' progeny), constantly on the lookout for male flowers. (So pretty much business as usual there ;) .) If I grew them, I'd probably want to do so in a grow where they were the only plants; hopefully, with an additional garden somewhere "out of the range of any stray pollen," to ensure that you still get some sinsemilla. But that's me, lol. I'm often paranoid (and, occasionally, paranoid about the wrong things :rolleyes3 ) .

Or you could wait and see what Santa Claus brings you. I've heard he sometimes visits the Northern regions first so that he doesn't have to worry about getting snowed in, lol.
 
TorturedSoul said:
So which plant has the male flowers? If it's that one, and it selfed itself - and you cannot account for this because of high stress or treatment with something like sodium thiosulfate or colloidal silver... then I would very much expect those seeds to become female plants that had a high rate of hermaphroditism.

If it was an actual male plant that fertilized those calyxes, then the regular uncertainties would apply and I'd expect the usual 60% to 80% female percentage, depending (as is the case with non-feminized seeds) on environmental conditions.

If it was another female that went shim... I'd tend to expect mainly females in the first generation, but ones that carried a relatively high liklihood of producing opposite-sex flowers. This might appear in those examples, but my guess is that you'd see it more in future generations. And, again, much depends on what caused the male flowers that helped produce the seeds in the first place.

I wouldn't necessarily throw the seeds away. You obviously wish to keep the strain. But I'd be very vigilant when growing out those seeds (and especially if you decide to grow out those seeds' progeny), constantly on the lookout for male flowers. (So pretty much business as usual there ;) .) If I grew them, I'd probably want to do so in a grow where they were the only plants; hopefully, with an additional garden somewhere "out of the range of any stray pollen," to ensure that you still get some sinsemilla. But that's me, lol. I'm often paranoid (and, occasionally, paranoid about the wrong things :rolleyes3 ) .

Or you could wait and see what Santa Claus brings you. I've heard he sometimes visits the Northern regions first so that he doesn't have to worry about getting snowed in, lol.
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I was mistaken about the lady having hermied. She never had male parts. I think she got knocked up when I had all the AK48x DP's together. None of my other ladies have seeds, so there must have been a mature pod in the mix before separation.

However, TS, I WILL keep an eye on what the progeny produce. Since I don't sell, it isn't going to make any difference whether or not a few seeds show up here and there in the buds. I consider them a gift from Mother nature.
 
I have seen some breeders list the male first in a cross designator ( male x female), but the standard among breeders of cultivars outside of the cannabis world is to list the female first.

If you are lucky, the breeder will list which is male and which is female in the description. and example of this from a breeder out of Canada:

AK 48 is a cross of AK47 with an Ice mother.

I will, being an old gardener, use the standard female x male for my own crosses, and verify the lineage through the description for any hybrid.

I doubt this makes any difference if the genetics are the same, whether it is f x M or M x F, as the first generation will exhibit at least 4 phenotypes. IMO, this only makes a difference when you get down to a stable F level, after multiple back-crosses.

That is about as technical as I want to get in my journal. I'm happy just to get them to harvest without the ravages of mite infections and other disasters!
 
Im going to post a couple bud pics. The second one is not very clear because I left the fan on. I use a white box to shade out the LED lights.

First one is the Arjan's Haze, 44 days in flower.

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The next is an attempted closeup of some AK 47 x Durban Poison buds at 44 days in flower. I couldnt hold everything steady enough to make out the seeds.

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Starting to smell a bit cat pissy in the flower tent! LOL
 
lol cat pissy. I couldnt do it.

My pops had two cats and they didnt like my house. Didnt like me. They pissed on my clothes and bed every once in a while. Nasty. One evening, while playing ice hockey, I noticed a smell. Bastards had pissed on my hockey equipment. I was skating around smelling like cat piss for an hour and a half. Took me weeks to get the smell out. Little demons lol :biglaugh:
 
Cat pissy with cannabis is a good thing. It's not actually acrid like real cat piss, it just has a touch of that ammonia type of nose.
My twister has it and it is blended with citrus and hashish terps. No one has ever said anything negative about the smell.
 
I researched posted flowering duration and it looks like I will have a staggered harvest:

AK 48F = 53 - 63 days
AK47 x Durban Poison = 56 - 63 days (both parents have approx the same)
White CastleF = 70 days
Arjan's Haze = 77 days

Nobody is showing trichs yet.

It seems to me that the revegged AK48 is taking longer to develop. I am sure the severe training I did on her drastically slowed down bud production, and her stems are uncharacteristically thin for an AK48. I will not reveg any more AK48s, but rely on clones. The 8 clones I took are quite vigorous, with thick, sturdy stems, which is normal for this strain.

The Arjan's Haze continues to amaze me at how well she recovered from the training/pruning. She is a clone of a clone and is still sturdy, and likes to push out more branches from the bottom of the main stem. She is also a reveg, and, in time, got her second wind after training and pruning. I MIGHT harvest just her buds and let her reveg without heavy pruning until it's time to switch her next Spring.

Also in my research I found out that Jock Horror is one of several male ancestors of AK 48, so when I pop the JH Autos, I wont lose the strain entirely.

No one in my family are connoisseurs. They use what smells good, regardless of strain. And I mix the leaves, mini buds, and trim together for cooking, as there is no reason for me to keep them sorted.

Since my space is severely limited, I'll favor the sturdy and super easy-to-grow AK48, while growing out varieties that I'm gifted before the seeds get too old.

The next cycle:

I have 8 AK48 clones waiting for their turn at the flowering tent, and they will be moved in by the end of the month.

In veg will go the Arjan's haze to reveg, the rest of the seeds of one of the Autos, and any clones I want to take of the AK 48 clones at switch.

It's so hard to limit myself, as I have so many more strains than I currently have room for. I might have to rethink the layout of my room, so I can add another space. :hmmmm:
 
I forgot that the White Castles were all males and I ground them up into powder for cooking. So my harvest list is one strain smaller. That oversight was corrected when I watered the ladies today. I haven't been spending as much time with them lately due to other duties outside the grow. So I forgot what all I had left.
 
OMG..... I just remembered that the White Castles showed their pods in the FLOWER tent. CRAPCRAPCRAPCRAP! That means my Durban Poison x AK47 female was most likely pollinated by the White castles, which were right behind her!

:oops:

So much for propagating the strain Sue sent me. Their ancestry is going to be..... interesting .. with the White Castle (White Widow X Ice) genes.

:yikes:
 
I did an ancestor tree for my accidental seeding. The female [47x Durban Poison] x White Castle male has a bunch of landraces on both sides. I figured The seeds will be 50% Sativa/50% Indica.

I have no idea how well such a mutt will perform, but we'll see. :hmmm:
 
Some pics taken during their sleepy time:

The first two are the AK 47 x Durban Poisons.

This one has a number of promising colas. The bright one got the most flash.

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Closeup, a bit further down. Looking good, so far!

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A closeup of the revegged Arjan's Haze.

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Just a drive by and they are sure looking nice there AK... Sometimes surprises in seeds are just that,, maybe you'll find a gem...
GL and Keepem Green
 
I decided to put the revegged AK 48 out of her misery. she was losing leaves faster than she was filling out buds. Once I cut her and started salvaging the body parts, I saw why. She also got pollinated by the AK 47 x Durban Poison. Only got about 21 seeds, and most of them are pretty immature. I don't think more than a couple will pop.

I now have room to move in some of the healthy AK 48 clones, who have been in veg 3 months. And THAT move leaves me a little bit of room to pop some autos! :cheertwo:
 
Well. it seems I can get stoned by just HANDLING my Ladies without gloves! it took me a good hour to pick the good stuff off the AK 48 I retired and save her seeds. And about a half hour after that I was woozy, then crashed in the recliner.

Once the rest of my salve-making supplies get here, I'm certainly going to make a small batch and use it on my achy joints!
 
Hey AK,,, you know you can make some Coconut Budder and pinch alittle before you make Gramma's cookies?? But you add a tad of camphor??? and makes a great easy lotion that works.. And you can eat the rest... I make alot of budder. And I always tell people to try it, that have problems with joints that, aren't real deep ones to try it.. Like knuckles etc... Some like it and claim it helps,, some not. But combined the menthol of camphor and it helps alot. It is better to use 'higher' CBD herbs for these,, but it all effects each different. But I'm hoping the best in your gardens... Keepem Green
 
Norcaliwood said:
Hey AK,,, you know you can make some Coconut Budder and pinch alittle before you make Gramma's cookies?? But you add a tad of camphor??? and makes a great easy lotion that works.. And you can eat the rest... I make alot of budder. And I always tell people to try it, that have problems with joints that, aren't real deep ones to try it.. Like knuckles etc... Some like it and claim it helps,, some not. But combined the menthol of camphor and it helps alot. It is better to use 'higher' CBD herbs for these,, but it all effects each different. But I'm hoping the best in your gardens... Keepem Green
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I'm waiting on the bees wax (coming tomorrow) to mix with the infused cannabis and coconut oil. gonna try the least stinky slave first.

My daughter decarbs the bud before making HER cannabudder, and I don't. So I don't sample it before hand. I want to be conscious when the goodies are done!

But I DO pack 00 capsules with an infusion of naturally-decarbed dried trim and coconut oil. I always have a lot left over, so that will be the base of my salve. I'll have to strain it first, tho. Don't need green powder all over my joints! :laughtwo:
 
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