I don't recall seeing anyone top a DDA but I'm sure it's been done. They look nice and bushy so far!
A Mar-sian Darkness Falls In Otterville
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Thanks Baron. They're coming. That's a new road for me so I'm going to have a learning curve and I'm slow out of the gate. What would you use for a first foliar?
CraZysWeeD
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Yes looking great so far Otter! 
Skybound
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Fish Hydrolysate! Neptune's Harvest, 3ml to half gallon of RO + 3ml of molasses. Foliars need to be acidic for proper absorption and the fish has a lot of phosphoric acid added to stabilize the soup which makes it great for foliars.
Edit - you can add some calcium nitrate too to up the N, but I rarely add that to mine.
Emilya Green
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Not too acidic! The internal pH of the plant is 6.1 pH, so definitely more acidic than neutral is called for... but don't go into the hydro range.
Skybound
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What do you mean the hydro range, like 5.8? Can you share a link to some literature?
Emilya Green
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the hydro range of 5.5-6.1 is quite a bit more acidic than the soil range of 6.2-6.8. No, I can not share any literature because I don't know how many years ago or in what publication that I read what the plant's internal pH is, but I do remember most everything that I read. I also have not had anyone instruct me as to the proper pH of a foliar spray, but it just seems to be common sense to match it with that of the plant since you are applying it directly to the leaves... at least that is how I have always done it and it has worked well for me.
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I might have a tester of that! I'll see. Thanks
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So it's not mix and spray, it's mix, ph, spray. I had no idea!
They're picking up traction!Yes looking great so far Otter!
Skybound
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FWIW, I'm not trying to be abrasive, not even in the slightest. I know how thin this kind of info is 'out there' and I am trying to unearth links to support my claims of lower PH, but am also hard pressed as there's really not much. For me, it took quite a few months of trolling the web about ideal ph for foliar sprays, and still only came back with bits from here or there, so when someone presents conflicting info, I beg for more info, lol.
Sorry if I came off sideways, I just NEED to learn.
Emilya Green
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not to be difficult, but I was agreeing with you. 6.1 pH IS slightly acidic. It was not conflicting information.
Skybound
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My studies lead me to believe it's about the application or intended result. For instance, if you're spraying with potassium silicate to raise the PH to ward off PM, obviously an acidic PH is not the desired PH. Though I ask readers to consider Doc Bud's sprays for reference. I am lead to believe both are very acidic, like below 4.0 acidic. I try to stay on top of the fence and keep mine above 5.0 just to play it safe, but from what I'm seeing, supplemental sprays should be acidic.
CraZysWeeD
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I think you are comparing apples to oranges with soil/hydro pH with the plants internal pH. If one applies a spray it should be more in the vicinity of its internal pH if not to subject the plant to any third degree burns. 
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I did. They call it Fish Fertilizer. 2-4-1 npk Yes?
Im hardly a expert, but if my goal is to green it up some, I would be shooting for more Nitrogen. Just keep in mind, unless you bud wash, whatever you foliar spray, at some point will be inhaled/ingested by you.
Skybound
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Here's the one I use, but also like Baron said, ya gotta wash your harvest because there will be residue from all foliar sprays.
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You're right sir. The one plants roots in question of greenness are almost into the soil containing everything she needs including a rising herd of microculture for the transfer. I can see she's turning right on her own. Next starts I want to have more going on in the starting soil.
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That's the one I have. How often do you hit them with it?Here's the one I use, but also like Baron said, ya gotta wash your harvest because there will be residue from all foliar sprays.
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Good mornday, I've been working on keeping these babies as close to the vapor pressure zone as I can without getting crazy. I'm getting lucky with it. Not real lucky but it's more moist in there than out so I'm winning. I'm running the exhaust for 5 minutes every 30. The humidifier has enough power to it to move air through the filter when it's off so there's always fresh air moving through. Those temp and rh numbers are much better than no help at all. Here's todays config.
First the humidifier. I taped the 6 inch flex pipe over the outlet with a screen over the end you can't see to keep the crawlies out.
And the monitoring.
Last the chalupa 4 inch exhaust system.
First the humidifier. I taped the 6 inch flex pipe over the outlet with a screen over the end you can't see to keep the crawlies out.
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Hi, still no water need. 6 days now. Soon they'll call for some. I did give them a spray on top to wet it a little, Any day now the mulch is going on. These pot tops dry out fast without. They got their fish spray today. I thought the dose was light at 3 ml/1/2 gal water but my nose told me something big is happening in there. Not horrible smelly but strongish. I turned the exhausting fan on full time to evaporate it from the leaves before lights come on in 5.5 hours. I took them all out for a looksee and they're fine. 3 working on the 5th node and 1 coming on strong. As soon as I can fit my sausages fingers in there, a topping I will go with 5 nodes. The ph turned out to be 6.0 so on it went like that.
How long will the fish spray stay good to use in the fridge all mixed up in ro?
How long will the fish spray stay good to use in the fridge all mixed up in ro?