600W LED Grow

re: GLH 600W LED Grow

irishboy said:
my room gets around 95-98F** with no lights on in the summer heat.I live 4000 miles north but yet suffer from the same problem that's why I cant see LED being the no heat saviour that it's sold as In the winter the LED cant get an insulated room past 68deg with out heat...in the summer the room is 105with the LED anyways...cant win...then if you look at lost harvest due to coverage and whats the use of paying extra for that...I think you have done a good job of remembering that when you opened your visa statement this month there was no line from Growledhydro on it too and have stayed balance without having to hurt business,,,LOL
IDK what my yield will be with this grow? i really dont like to guess on what its gonna be, i rather not expect anything until its dry and on the scale. i made guesses before in the past and got my feeling hurt. i have learnd not to expect. as far as using the yield from the 126w as a bench mark, i guess that sounds good? i think i will beat my old gpw. but not too sure on the 1gpw. thats allot of weight from 4 girls you know? i just dont want anything under a pound.lol.Don't want you breaking into tears if you dissapoint yourself...LOL...just kid....but still you have expectations and your the one seeing how things are going,,don't worry though, you know when it's time to chop give me a good photo shot of the 4 girls and I'll eyeball your harvest for you...LOL i should have done some smaller plants and did more of them instead of 4 girls. but i am not just looking at total yield bud bud quality mostly. how dense and the resin all that good stuff. as things look now my yield would be allot higher if i would have just stuck to all hindu skunks. but either way we shall see what the end brings me. see i have no choice but to use leds in the summer time! i casnt run my A/C all day its not worth it, leds make it possible for me to grow in this insane heat. but when winter come its the other way around. its cheaper for me to run my 1000w hps then to run a 1,500w heater to heat my leds.and thats the thing most don't get though irish fans for vent and cooling run at way lower amps then heaters for warming, so again where's the LED advantage unless your trying to fit 600 watts of light into a space you cant get a 600 watt HID because you'd fry your plants...but I dont think thats the case with you right...you mentioned stealth before..does that mean you can't vent up or anywhere from your room?
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thank you for a balanced post + rep bro...because it's rare to hear some truth ...from this "i should have done some smaller plants and did more of them instead of 4 girls is because you have no more room for any more plants under the panel and if that's the case wouldn't you agree that a 600w hps would cover about twice the canopy size or 8 plants like you have?
 
re: GLH 600W LED Grow

ledtester said:
thank you for a balanced post + rep bro...because it's rare to hear some truth ...from this "i should have done some smaller plants and did more of them instead of 4 girls is because you have no more room for any more plants under the panel and if that's the case wouldn't you agree that a 600w hps would cover about twice the canopy size or 8 plants like you have?
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i dont have a problem with stealth? dont remember saying that? i have vent fans running at all times, but with my setup i have a water heater in my room so it just creates heat and sucks hot air from the attatic, so that heat mixed with the HID heat in the summer time= all bad for my plants. just like in the winter it hurts my leds grow because of the cold sucked into the room. i have my room seald as good as i can but their only so much i can do. once i move real soon then that gonna be a different story. i would not be shocked if my HS yield 4+oz per plant but dont hold me to that. now if the XJ-13 start adding some weight it could pull some good weight its a big ass plant with allot of good bud sites all over. i am never good at that guessing total weight though, and i dont care to, thats why i own a scale.. ill post pics before i chop so everyone can see and ill post pics of the buds on the Digi scale when dried. yes i said i should have done smaller plants and more of them, because i couldn't fit any more plants then what i have under it right now at the size of the XJ-13 @40" the LST took up allot of room rather if i just let them grow straight up with some lollipoping. and yes i do believe a 600w hps with a good reflector will cover more foot print, hence more plants = better yield. although a 600w hps is only mad for a 3x3' area and a 1000w hps is mad for a 4x4' for best results. the problem with the led isnt the long ways but the skinny side, it wont cover anymore of a wider area then what it is right now without raising the light allot higher, witch is pointless. this is the whole reason why i wanted to grow with smaller unit instead of the larger unit, then i could mimic the foot print of a 600w hps and some.

now in the summer time my plants seem to do great no problem with the heat and leds. i dont believe the heat in the room is what gives ur plants heat stress but the radiant heat that HID give off dose. thats why out doors ur plants do just fine in the 110F*. so their for IMO leds are great for high temp grow area. winter is the opposite. but i have not done a grow with high powered leds in the summer time either, so i will be very soon and we shall see what happens?

so their for even if the yield isn't as good as HID leds still have a place in my grow room a few months out of the year. and so so HID. just like Hydro has a place in my grow room cretin months out of the year as soil has other months of the year.

we shall see how fat these buds get over the next few weeks and what they yield and ill post the dry weight with pics on the scale and everyone can have at it, and make up their own mind. just like ill make up my own mind on how the buds look, weigh, and smoke. to see if i will use leds anymore or not? i really dont have anything to lose i already have a free $2000.00 light and really dont give an rats ass if GLH make any money off of led sales from my results or not. now if i owned part of the company then maybe i would care and say i got 4g per watt..lol.
 
re: GLH 600W LED Grow

Chill out guys - I didn't get the reference to you JapanFreak... I was guessing some kind of inside joke, but lighten up regardless. If you have a problem, hit the report post button - don't respond to percieved attacks; you just make more work for us.

JapanFreak, you've put up some great info on the site, and most of your posts are very informative. I've found you very honest and upfront with your grow information; I don't know why anyone would think otherwise.

LED tester seems to enjoy getting a reaction out of you... how about not giving it?

If you really feel the need to react, PM a mod if reporting the post is not enough. I'd really like for you to continue posting here... just a little more chill please?

Sorry to jack the thread Irish - I know you hate bickering as much as I do though... ;)
 
re: GLH 600W LED Grow

Hiya Irish-

I want to phrase this such that I convey the respect I have - not any doubt. You said you would like to get a pound from this yield I believe. From 4 plants. You also said you wished you'd started a few more plants.

I have been fighting for a year to try to figure out the right number of plants and how wide I can take my canopy and how deep the penetration is from a 600HID. For me a 4oz plant is a big one. Not a monster perhaps, but I avg just under 2.5oz/plant.

I know this is a big generality and very tough to do, but do you think you could quickly describe what you think will allow you to get 4oz/plant? Again, please understand I'm not trying to be negative. You clearly have a great understanding of both plants and the tech. Have you gotten those numbers in the past?

Perhaps you could bullet point it. Like:
- 10 week veg instead of 5
- Topped 3 times
- Scrog instead of standup
- Lower lights vs more coverage

Whatever key points you can think of. I know this is kinda the point of the whole journal and the discussion could take forever, but I appreciate any thoughts. As SS pointed out - anyone not willing to learn and be prepared for the day when the tech catches up is gonna start losing out. The LED lights are too expensive for me to just add one or replace something now - but I think in the next big expansion - whenever that is - I will likely implement some LED. I also appreciate your real numbers. I can work with the tech if I know its limitations.

:nicethread::goodjob::Rasta:
 
re: GLH 600W LED Grow

OBXGardener said:
Chill out guys - I didn't get the reference to you JapanFreak... I was guessing some kind of inside joke, but lighten up regardless. If you have a problem, hit the report post button - don't respond to percieved attacks; you just make more work for us.

JapanFreak, you've put up some great info on the site, and most of your posts are very informative. I've found you very honest and upfront with your grow information; I don't know why anyone would think otherwise.

LED tester seems to enjoy getting a reaction out of you... how about not giving it?

If you really feel the need to react, PM a mod if reporting the post is not enough. I'd really like for you to continue posting here... just a little more chill please?

Sorry to jack the thread Irish - I know you hate bickering as much as I do though... ;)
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did i miss something? i am guessing a war happen while i was gone? because either i am real high or something dosent add up. either way their is no need to fight and bicker. and i really dont want that on this thread, we can talk things out grown men and women. this thread is to help others get info and learn about led tech, and it turn people off when all they read is a bunch of fighting. please keep the :peace:
 
re: GLH 600W LED Grow

Papa Green said:
Hiya Irish-

I want to phrase this such that I convey the respect I have - not any doubt. You said you would like to get a pound from this yield I believe. From 4 plants. You also said you wished you'd started a few more plants.

I have been fighting for a year to try to figure out the right number of plants and how wide I can take my canopy and how deep the penetration is from a 600HID. For me a 4oz plant is a big one. Not a monster perhaps, but I avg just under 2.5oz/plant.

I know this is a big generality and very tough to do, but do you think you could quickly describe what you think will allow you to get 4oz/plant? Again, please understand I'm not trying to be negative. You clearly have a great understanding of both plants and the tech. Have you gotten those numbers in the past?

Perhaps you could bullet point it. Like:
- 10 week veg instead of 5
- Topped 3 times
- Scrog instead of standup
- Lower lights vs more coverage

Whatever key points you can think of. I know this is kinda the point of the whole journal and the discussion could take forever, but I appreciate any thoughts. As SS pointed out - anyone not willing to learn and be prepared for the day when the tech catches up is gonna start losing out. The LED lights are too expensive for me to just add one or replace something now - but I think in the next big expansion - whenever that is - I will likely implement some LED. I also appreciate your real numbers. I can work with the tech if I know its limitations.

:nicethread::goodjob::Rasta:
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i wish i would have did 6 hindus the size they are now, around 22". its the 40" xj-13 that seem to hog up all the space, they are two huge plants. and as of right now the Hindus seem to be the higer yielder with the fattest buds.

now as to the 600w hps and to how many plants to do? i dont know it depends on how big you do them? but i do know a 600w hps is best in a 3x3' area.

now why i would expect to get a pound or 4oz per plant, is because their are allot of nice buds on those HS that should hit a QP per plant i would think and hope? the buds seem real hard and solid. now since the XJ-13 are so big with tons of bud sites that are chunking up i see this plant pulling some weight also. now ive never grown with a 600w hps only a 1k HID. so i am just going off of GPW that allot of others were hitting with a 600w HID. most were pulling around 20oz per light. i have seen quite a few people hit 4-5oz per plant with a 600w hps. now when i used a 1k i have hit 6-8oz a plant with co2 and some training and a good veg time. ive also hit lower number in the summer time with different gens. but either way 1lb is only .61g per watt with this light, so that should be easy to hit because i can most certain hit that with HID. and for the price of leds i would hope for them to be on the better side of HID GPW. so thats why i would be up set with anything under a pound. i vegged them for a month and LST them to really help my yield so i have allot of time raped up in this grow to not hit those numbers. and everything in my environment has been tops with temps and RH. they had good food and are very healthy everything so it should be easy to hit those numbers. plus on my last grow i hit around .71g per watt with three plants under 126w light, so i would expect to beat that with a higher powered led light.
 
re: GLH 600W LED Grow

irishboy said:
thanks for sharing this with me. + rep if i can. please anyone else i would love to here what you get per plant with a 600w HID? ill rep whoever post this info
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what about with respect to the the size of the plant after veg and after flowering?
 
re: GLH 600W LED Grow

irishboy said:
please anyone else i would love to here what you get per plant with a 600w HID?
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When searching on the net.. It looks like I'm seeing 1 lb is what most growers are getting with a 600w HID in dirt..

Based on your pics from this grow as compared to your last grow.. I would say your looking at a lb, if not more.... :grinjoint:
 
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:grinjoint:
Kushiest said:
what about with respect to the the size of the plant after veg and after flowering?
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true

dogsnova said:
When searching on the net.. It looks like I'm seeing 1 lb is what most growers are getting with a 600w HID in dirt..

Based on your pics from this grow as compared to your last grow.. I would say your looking at a lb, if not more.... :grinjoint:
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thats what i found when looking anywhere from 16-20oz. 20oz being a good HID grower in soil. +rep! thanks for the feed back. i have to spred some rep first in order to give you a rep again but ur on my list.

$hit bro i hope i get a lb or more. i love just having a pond of some killer weed. i just snuggle up with it at night and hold and cuddle with my 1lb girl marry Jane. wake up and give her a kiss then get blown by her
 
re: GLH 600W LED Grow

irishboy said:
i wish i would have did 6 hindus the size they are now, around 22". its the 40" xj-13 that seem to hog up all the space, they are two huge plants. and as of right now the Hindus seem to be the higer yielder with the fattest buds.

now as to the 600w hps and to how many plants to do? i dont know it depends on how big you do them? but i do know a 600w hps is best in a 3x3' area.

now why i would expect to get a pound or 4oz per plant, is because their are allot of nice buds on those HS that should hit a QP per plant i would think and hope? the buds seem real hard and solid. now since the XJ-13 are so big with tons of bud sites that are chunking up i see this plant pulling some weight also. now ive never grown with a 600w hps only a 1k HID. so i am just going off of GPW that allot of others were hitting with a 600w HID. most were pulling around 20oz per light. i have seen quite a few people hit 4-5oz per plant with a 600w hps. now when i used a 1k i have hit 6-8oz a plant with co2 and some training and a good veg time. ive also hit lower number in the summer time with different gens. but either way 1lb is only .61g per watt with this light, so that should be easy to hit because i can most certain hit that with HID. and for the price of leds i would hope for them to be on the better side of HID GPW. so thats why i would be up set with anything under a pound. i vegged them for a month and LST them to really help my yield so i have allot of time raped up in this grow to not hit those numbers. and everything in my environment has been tops with temps and RH. they had good food and are very healthy everything so it should be easy to hit those numbers. plus on my last grow i hit around .71g per watt with three plants under 126w light, so i would expect to beat that with a higher powered led light.
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in regards to your 126W grow, how tall were the plants after veg and after flowering?
 
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irishboy said:
i dont really remember but i know my hindu was around 3.5' i believe. the others were probably around 2.5' maybe i cant remember all that good. i just know the hindu was tall as hell.
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Thanks for helping me learn.

So I take it that since you grew 3 plants : 126W : 2.5'-3.5' height : 89g (.71g/w) / 29g/plant

so I could essentially set up two 180W from glh and have 6 plants and grow them about 30" high and assume to yield around 8oz total?
 
re: GLH 600W LED Grow

Kushiest said:
Thanks for helping me learn.

So I take it that since you grew 3 plants : 126W : 2.5'-3.5' height : 89g (.71g/w) / 29g/plant

so I could essentially set up two 180W from glh and have 6 plants and grow them about 30" high and assume to yield around 8oz total?
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no i wouldn't assume that.lol. seems you would need to have more light for 6 plants at 30". thats still a big plant for a led foot print. the whole reason why i hit that weight with the 126w was because on my one hindu skunk, all the rest of the blue dreams turned out like trash from lack of light. that 126w was too small for that size canopy i had. its just that hindu skunk pulled some nice #'s
 

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