5 x Strains All Soil First Medi Grow Whoa!

[Growing247]

I think it is kind of ironic that small germinating plants start yellowing due to nitrogen deficiency but I think it has to do with their root systems still developing and getting nitrogen from the soil is tough for them so when they're real real young, I'd say once they've developed around 10 leaves they will often start to yellow. They are growing so fast and their root systems are not fully developed to take in all they need. Foliar feeding as well as using liquid plant food nutrients. I recommend a light nutrient solution at about half strength and some SensiZym to promote root growth as well as a product I swear by which is Bushdoktor Kangaroots. The Bush Doktor has all kinds of good stuff in it like MYCORRHIZAE and beneficial Bacteria. It is derived from Earthworm Castings, Manganese sulfatem Zinc Sulfate, Hydrolyate and Kelp. Without going into a lengthy explanation it is basically microorganisms that do a lot of the legwork for processing the foods plant. Adding anything to help that process really helps. So, basically what that means is your plants will love it and make it easier for the roots to process and break down food. More root, more fruit. SLM and BLACKBERRY are looking healthy @ Blazin. Give that yellowing Afghan Kush a LIGHT dose of vegetative nutrient solution and the yellowing should stop almost overnight. Best of luck on your grow. I am growing many of the same strains you are growing.

 

[BlazinUSA]

I think it is kind of ironic that small germinating plants start yellowing due to nitrogen deficiency but I think it has to do with their root systems still developing and getting nitrogen from the soil is tough for them so when they're real real young, I'd say once they've developed around 10 leaves they will often start to yellow. They are growing so fast and their root systems are not fully developed to take in all they need. Foliar feeding as well as using liquid plant food nutrients. I recommend a light nutrient solution at about half strength and some SensiZym to promote root growth as well as a product I swear by which is Bushdoktor Kangaroots. The Bush Doktor has all kinds of good stuff in it like MYCORRHIZAE and beneficial Bacteria. It is derived from Earthworm Castings, Manganese sulfatem Zinc Sulfate, Hydrolyate and Kelp. Without going into a lengthy explanation it is basically microorganisms that do a lot of the legwork for processing the foods plant. Adding anything to help that process really helps. So, basically what that means is your plants will love it and make it easier for the roots to process and break down food. More root, more fruit. SLM and BLACKBERRY are looking healthy @ Blazin. Give that yellowing Afghan Kush a LIGHT dose of vegetative nutrient solution and the yellowing should stop almost overnight. Best of luck on your grow. I am growing many of the same strains you are growing.

awesome man it sounds like that kangaroots is alot like if not damn near the same as roots organics powder root drench that i got, you just mix quite a bit of it into a 1 gallon solution and then use like 10mls per gallon of water after that, a couple of the clones i took and have killed now got some of it and the root balls were amazing in comparison to those without. Ill be mixing up a few ml's of that with the water for the afghan tonight +rep man thx

 

[Barry Manilow]

Love your strains Blazin. Laughing Budda - what an awesome name.

I've got an slh about the same size as yours, she's gonna be a momma soon.

 

[Growing247]

It sound like it is probably the same basic fomula. Every nutrient company has a Myco and benefical bacteria root drench and powder or liquid is up to the end user. Some people prefer powders. By any chance, did your Afghan Kush grow from seed or clone? I ordered some seeds from SINGLE SEED CENTER and they threw in 2 free seeds; Afghan Kush from World of Seeds (famous for their pure landrace varieties) as well as an Afghan Kush (feminized) auto flower seed. Both sprouted and now the 2 seeds I got for free with my order are doing better than the seeds I paid top dollar for.

 

[BlazinUSA]

It sound like it is probably the same basic fomula. Every nutrient company has a Myco and benefical bacteria root drench and powder or liquid is up to the end user. Some people prefer powders. By any chance, did your Afghan Kush grow from seed or clone? I ordered some seeds from SINGLE SEED CENTER and they threw in 2 free seeds; Afghan Kush from World of Seeds (famous for their pure landrace varieties) as well as an Afghan Kush (feminized) auto flower seed. Both sprouted and now the 2 seeds I got for free with my order are doing better than the seeds I paid top dollar for.

as a matter of fact these are also seeds from single seed center, the girlfriend and i ordered 5 regular afghan kush from single seed center looking for a good indica strain to relax and help me sleep, im not exactly sure on the germ rate of them but 3/5 for sure possibly 5/5.

I germinated those with some great white shark seeds and a new york city diesel bagseed all together and then being all stoned threw them all in a matchbox together to scruff them up a bit with sand paper to try and help them germinate and mixed them all together DOH! Anyways i figure i will be able to tell soon which are which since i already have 2 afghan kush a couple weeks ahead of the seedlings!

I have 4 more great white shark seeds germinating now and 1 of them has started to crack, i forget where i actually ordered these seeds from but whatever, it was a big ordeal because they took like 3 months to get here and my money had already been refunded blah blah blah!

I just watered all seedlings but 1 and both the afghan kush with very very very light dosing of some gh micro and some Roots Organics Oregonism XL.
I think i did like 2ml of micro and 3ml of oregonism to 1 gal of water.

Id like to ask even tho i feel dumb, should the pots be completely dry before the next watering? I mean the top 2 or 3 inches of soil is usually rather dry for a few days before my pots are dry at the bottom. Should i keep a moist environment in the bottom of the pots or aim to let that dry out as much as possible every time?

 

[HempRocket]

What you should be doing is lifting your pots when you water them, and then lift them when they are dry. There should be quite a big difference in weight. You shouldn't let your medium get BONE dry but you should still let it dry out quite a bit (if that makes any sense). The bottom of your pot should be moist but not WET before you water again. If you have good draining soil, your girls won't complain too much if you water when your soil is still a bit moist.

Also, on Farmr Jane's thread you mentioned something about one of your plants having a problem. Can you take pictures of it and describe exactly what's going on. I'll try to help.

 

[BlazinUSA]

This is the one thats really got it bad still.

Even the fresher growth has some yellowing on its tips/edges and its all clawed!

This one has seemed to of gotten over it, its growing and the new growth is nice.

I thought maybe i might have gotten a pot full of soil with not enough nutrients readily available? I just dont want to over do it if i have to add more nutrients

 

[HempRocket]

What kind of medium to you have her in?

Looks and sounds like nute burn. What kind of soil exactly and have you been feeding her yet?

 

[BlazinUSA]

What kind of medium to you have her in?

Looks and sounds like nute burn. What kind of soil exactly and have you been feeding her yet?

Thats actually 2 diff plants of the same strain Afghan Kush the first 2 pics are the runt and the 3rd has seemed to of gotten over the whole deal.

They are in either scotts moisture control or miracle grow potting soil, so both of these mediums do both have pre-mixed, readily and time released nutrients mixed in.

If it is nute burn then i have 2 point out that i also have some other seedlings started in the exact same soils and they are doing wonderfully. The seedlings are a mix of great white shark and afghan kush seeds and all of them are thriving.

As far as feeding i thought that this was a nitrogen deficiency so in my last watering i added a trace amount of general hyrdo flora line, micro 5-0-1, and like 1 ml out of a suggested 1/4 cup per gallon of roots organics orgeonismXL root drench, at the same time the seedlings got a small watering of this solution as well and have proved to be fine thus far.

I also have 4 large plants in either or some of both the scotts and miracle grow soils and they have had no problems what so ever, granted they are also 4 different strains.

 

[HempRocket]

If you have the plant in MG soil, it would DEFINITELY not need any nutes this early on. Knowing that it's MG soil, I can be almost certain now that it is in fact nute burn. If you give them more nutes, you will just make the problem worse. This is exactly why most people DO NOT recommend using MG soil. Hope this helps.

 

[HempRocket]

You also made a reference to brand new seedlings being in the exact same soil and thriving. The time release nutes work like this: You start watering and they start releasing nutes. With time, more and more nutes are released. If all those nutes are not used up, there will be nute burn. That's why your young seedlings are ok, but when they get a little older...with more watering...more nutes are released that cause the burn.

I would recommend this: DO NOT FEED THEM YET. Whenever you water, make sure it's LOTS of water with LOTS of runoff to take all the extra salts out. This is just MY opinion and I'm not an expert so I might be wrong. Just something to think about.

 

[HempRocket]

One more comment: If you do decide to stick with this kind of soil, I would recommend mixing it 50/50 with perlite.

 

[BlazinUSA]

Alright until i can switch some shit up ill just ph my water and get plenty of run off, i will be switching to hempy buckets with oc+ in a few days so hopefully i can figure it out.

I dont know that it changes anything but these 2 afghan kush had problems from the start where their siblings currently the seedlings i made reference to have had no trouble what so ever.

The ones in the pictures have had the yellowing and slow growth from the start it didnt just start as the time released nutrients released or at least i wouldn't think, but please correct me if im wrong cuz i really dont know here

 

[Barry Manilow]

Blazin imo the best thing you can do right now is relax, they look pretty good and changing things will make it worse. The soil should be ok but I agree with Rocket don't add nutes! Maybe it sprouted over a hot spot or something, in any event just treat her like the others and I'll bet she'll pull through fine. Ph your water to 6.8. Are you using tap water? Do you know your TA? And what do you use to ph down?

 

[Barry Manilow]

Sorry Blazin I'm stoned lol. Why don't you transplant her to a mini-hempy right now? That would be the best, just get a beer cup put a small hole an inch up, fill up above the hole with perlite, toss in a little oc+, take your seedling and gently shake away as much of the soil as you can, and then hold her at the right level with her roots hanging down and fill in the rest with perlite. Water her in and then just water every day until she hits the res. Don't forget ph 6ish in hempy.

 

[Doc Bud]

Your roots are fried.

MG soil is pretty hot...nothing wrong with that for full sized, robust plants. But for little babies, it's way too hot. The roots are cooked and the plants are dying.

You could practice some plant triage, if you wish.....but sometimes it's best to cull and move on.

If you want to try to save the little ones, carefully...oh so carefully dig them up, keeping the roots intact as much as possible.

Mix up a bucket of h202 and water and gently wash dirt off the roots and kill whatever may, or may not be growing there.

Replant in a perlite hempy using OC+ for ferts. Water with an H202 solution for a week or two, and pray that new roots form, etc. I think I'd probably water twice with the above solution and 10 drops of Superthrive per gallon of water....it helps root growth and helps sick plants.

For what it's worth....I always water as if a massive rainstorm hit my garden....every watering is a flush....with only a few exeptions. Moisture control soil may not work too well for flushing....it could retain too much water. In that case, just make sure they dry out pretty well before watering again.

As always, problems with hobby growers usually happen in these three areas:

1.)over feeding
2.)over watering
3.)Bad environment

So, following the good advice shared by others on this thread, feed less. Let them dry out between waterings. Make sure you have good weather in your garden.

 

[BlazinUSA]

thank you everyone so much for the help, im headed 2 the hydro shop tomorrow and hopefully we can get some shit corrected, i will leave the older ladys alone and just clone them as i can. I think the only thing i will switch to hempy immediately will be the sickest of the 2 afghan kush and all the seedlings. Then from there the clones will all grow hempy after this.

How much h202 per gallon do you suggest?

 

[Doc Bud]

thank you everyone so much for the help, im headed 2 the hydro shop tomorrow and hopefully we can get some shit corrected, i will leave the older ladys alone and just clone them as i can. I think the only thing i will switch to hempy immediately will be the sickest of the 2 afghan kush and all the seedlings. Then from there the clones will all grow hempy after this.

How much h202 per gallon do you suggest?

In a two gallon bucket, I'd use about a cup of H202....the kind you get in Rite Aid, not the concentrated stuff you get in the Hydro shop!

Just dip the root ball in, swich it around and get some dirt off.....you don't have to worry about getting all the dirt.....just most of the big pieces.

 

[BlazinUSA]

In a two gallon bucket, I'd use about a cup of H202....the kind you get in Rite Aid, not the concentrated stuff you get in the Hydro shop!

Just dip the root ball in, swich it around and get some dirt off.....you don't have to worry about getting all the dirt.....just most of the big pieces.

alright cool man i appreciate the assistance, my vehicle just took a shit so im goona strive to still make it to town tom

 

[Growing247]

Oh man you got to be kidding me, why does everyone suggest using H202 at the slightest hint of trouble. I have heard about people having problems with MG soil but you know what, let them grow and I'm sure they will be just fine. Most problems with plants tend to go away on their own! Every time I have seen someone use H202 on these forums it has made the situation worse! Using H202 on a sick, weak, or young plant will probably kill it. Just water them once a week with water and most of the time things work themselves out on their own. In the future if you're growing with soil this is what I do and have good results. Get yourself a bag of LIGHT WARRIOR. It is basically seed starter which is a very lite Peat based grow mix and is the perfect stuff for growing seeds, I think its a little too light and I mix in a little Happy Frog with it to thicken it up and make it hold a little more water but its not needed. For soil grows I would not use MG for anything ever. Fox Farm soil is a little harder to find, you have to get it at a grow store, but its perfect for growing pot. I prefer the FF HAPPY FROG because it has Dolomite Lime and Humic Acid and it is not as hot nitrogen wise as Fox Farm Ocean Forrest. So it is good for when you transplant or for younger plants. MG and pot just don't get along for whatever reason. Ocean Forrest is good soil as well and I have done grows where I used a 3 gallon smart pot of Ocean Forrest and added no fertilizers whatsoever and grew some of the dankest train wreck I have ever seen. It was even better than the wreck they had at the dispensary for sale. I whipped out a Acorn sized bud, with huge Calyxes and gifted it to one of the guys at the dispensary and they were even impressed. Whatever you do, please don't hit them with H202. That can only make things worse, and SensiZym and Hygrozyme do the exact same thing as hydrogen peroxide without hurting the plant. H202 has a place in a grow, don't get me wrong I use it if I need to clean out the hydro systems or pots AFTER a grow, but why anyone would use H202 on a living plant as anything but a last last resort is beyond me when there are tons of products out there that are better and less harsh on the plant. Better yet, just giving them water and they will probably heal themselves. I've had plants that got sick, and every single leaf was damaged because I used neem during lights on and burnt the plants. You know what, the plant shed all the damaged leaves slowly, and grew new ones. That plant went on to be some of the dankest Lemon Diesel I have ever grown and I nearly killed it. Give it time, leave it alone, and the plant WILL heal itself. Also, If you're careful you can dig the plant up and transplant it to a pot with better soil. I would try that before using H202 because that WILL fuck your plant up more.