5 Unknown Strains - 2012 Grow

[WizHigh]

I had 2 hermies in my garden that produced nuts on only 1 day. I say 1 day because all I did is clip the balls after spraying them with water and they never came back. One of the hermies was chopped with zero seeds, and the other is 2-3 weeks from chop and has (what appears to be) zero seeds as well. Just telling my story PLZ don't take this as advice, I'd hate to be the guy with the shitty advice that ruined someone's harvest. The best thing to do with a hermie is to either completely isolate it and get some fem seeds, or just toss it if you have no way of completely isolating the plant. Sorry about the nuts bro, they're still a bit unclear so give them a day to be sure they're pollen sacks. They look like sacks tho

I dont think its a hermie. I think it maybe all male. My other 2 are females. What im pissed about is I cloned this plant 3x over and I was looking forward to having 10 female plants in my grow room. . Ill be using this to cross breed. Hopefully the 2 will produce all female seeds. Ill start breeding when I get the other 2 females clones to root. That way I know I have those original strains still. I just need to make another closed no vent room for this to happen if I breed.

 

[Cultivator]

Doesnt look like male at min. Give it few days and if iu get balls exploding groowth it a male. Males usually show quickly and many balls together. I dont have my specs on so its hard for me to see pic clearly. I havent read through whole journal so not familiar with what uve done so far but hermies often have balls like that. Are u still vegging or in flower? If flower how long. I no this is ignorant, i just dont have the time to read all journal right now.

it prob a resin gland. i'll have a look in morning wen i at home and can see pic clearly.

 

[WizHigh]

Doesnt look like male at min. Give it few days and if iu get balls exploding groowth it a male. Males usually show quickly and many balls together. I dont have my specs on so its hard for me to see pic clearly. I havent read through whole journal so not familiar with what uve done so far but hermies often have balls like that. Are u still vegging or in flower? If flower how long. I no this is ignorant, i just dont have the time to read all journal right now.

it prob a resin gland. i'll have a look in morning wen i at home and can see pic clearly.

Its cool, thanks for coming over to check it out. Im still vegging. Its the 7th week ending. Im vegging for another week which will be my 2 month veg time and then im flipping the lights. I just removed one of the balls or what ever it was. They seem to be soft and fall out of what ever was holding them into place. I just flicked one off and it just come out easy. I thought pollen sacks would bust and stuff fly out? This wasnt the case it was just a soft little ball. I plucked all of them off. There were only one at each site branching not a cluster of them. But yea im still in veg 7th week. Thanks again.

 

[Thresher]

I dont think its a hermie. I think it maybe all male. My other 2 are females. What im pissed about is I cloned this plant 3x over and I was looking forward to having 10 female plants in my grow room. . Ill be using this to cross breed. Hopefully the 2 will produce all female seeds. Ill start breeding when I get the other 2 females clones to root. That way I know I have those original strains still. I just need to make another closed no vent room for this to happen if I breed.

Given the fact that ur still in veg.i would say this is just another stipule preflower just like ur other plant.only now ur seeing opposite result(male balls instead of female pistils).the only way ur gonna know for sure is when u flip it..

 

[donpaul.p]

have a look at the very tip of the plant, sort of pull the leaves apart so you can see the very top of the stem, if you see lots of small clusters here then its male, looks male to me, but give it a few days and you will know for sure.

the only way i know to get fem seeds is to make a fem plant go hermie, this can be done with stress or with cs, you then collect the pollen from the hermie and use this on a female plant, this will then give you fem seeds.

males do also go hermie, but these are then classed as super males, im not sure how it works or why a super male would be good or what even a super male means, its just something i read, most growers dont stress males to make them go hermie, im not sure cs will make a male go hermie but i could be wrong,
im doing a bit of breeding at the moment, trying to create a super auto that yields well, but its going to take a while, once ive got a good stable fem auto that produces well ill then make some fem seeds,

 

[Grand Daddy Purp]

I am going to breed fems with CS.

 

[Mr. Krip]

Wiz, I don't see anything with your plant, currently, that would lead me to believe it's a male. It's certainly built like a female with the tigter nodes, but I did read you were having problems with your lights turning on/off during the storm, so it is possible one was forced to hermie - but I doubt it, considering they were in veg at the time, and not flower.

If you do believe your female plants are turning male (hermie), there's a product by Dutch Masters called "Reverse" that's supposed to revert hermies back into females. I have heard it works effectively if applied early enough.

As for your breeding question, it wasn't entirely clear, but it should work like this:

To be guaranteed female seeds, BOTH parents need to be female. If you use pollen from a "natural" male, then some of the seeds produced will be male.

So, if you want feminized seeds, you need to get the pollen from a "natural" female that was turned into a male using CS, or by some other method.

Some people will take a female and force it to turn male by varying light cycles. This should work fine IF the plant wasn't prone to hermie naturally anyways. It's always a risk using hermies, since you don't want the hermie trait passed on. Using CS is usually a much safer option for guaranteeing feminized seeds without risking hermies.

It's also worthy to note that some plants, if left long enough in flower unpollenated, will "self-seed" as a way to ensure preservation of the species. You usually only get a small number of seeds, but since the pollen was produced by the mom (female), the seeds are basically clones of the mother in seed format, so they will be feminized, also.

I hope that helps!

 

[donpaul.p]

im so glad you said that, i harvested my auto and in the very middle of the main bud their was 2 seeds, i sprouted and is growing now, so this seed should be auto also then, fingers crossed anyways, reps for that bit of info mate

 

[WizHigh]

Well this will be my first trail with breeding and Ill make this a good notable experience. I also notice that the MALE/or what ever it is starting to produce crystals on the leaves. I google this and it said males also produce THC about 3% and the leaves will show this. They still will flower though. Just with low THC and alot of seeds. Ill be looking forward to breeding. But my thing is how much will the yield on the female decrease when breeding????

Thanks Mr. Krip for the info. I would give reps but I gave you some already so I have to spread the love first So im hoping that it will be a female and the balls are just some weird trait. I will pay attention to it in the next couple of days to make sure no more are popping up in clusters. Ill be looking up that spray to order that. Really appreciate it.

I just looked up breeding. But I seen that if there is a male p[lant in the same room as a female that it could make the female turn male? Is this true????? Also I found this

• a higher nitrogen concentration will give more females.
• a higher potassium concentration will give more males.
• a higher humidity will give more females.
• a lower temperature will give more females.
• more blue light will give more females.
• Fewer hours of light will give more females.

 

[Thresher]

Creating fems by breeders is a long drawn out process by stressing plant in various ways to get it to hermie..which is only the first step.gathering pollen from balls of hermie and pollininating a female won't get u fem seeds,it will get u seeds that have more chances to hermie.a certain percent will hermie,a certain percent will be perfectly normal male or female..what the breeder is looking for is an all female bud late in flower thats shows something special..some call it tiny banana's others call it naner's or acorns..but what is it?

It's a male flower..this is what they look for to extract pollen from to make fem seeds..fem seeds are prone to develop hermies and are generally unstable..meaning it can show diff phenotype's..breeder's will never use a fem seed for any breeding stock..they prefer regular stable seeds to do so..

Be careful using any type of spray that claims to revert a plants natural course of growing..if in fact it can do just that,imagine what what blend of hormones some mad scientist came up with to accomplish such a thing..the trikle down effect just might cause an unsuspecting smoker to suddenly grow a 3rd nipple..that would'nt be cool..me thinks..so the best course is always the natural way,even if it means u got a male..so be it..

Don't take my word for it do the research yourself..

Here is bud i had been curing that i got from my last seed grow that shows what da naner's look like..
Im pointing to it using a toothpick..i apoligize in advance for da shitty quality of pics taken from my shitty droid cam..
Still think it's clear enough to get idea how it looks.

 

[WizHigh]

Is that from a hermie or all male plant?

 

[Mr. Krip]

Creating fems by breeders is a long drawn out process by stressing plant in various ways to get it to hermie..which is only the first step.gathering pollen from balls of hermie and pollininating a female won't get u fem seeds,it will get u seeds that have more chances to hermie.a certain percent will hermie,a certain percent will be perfectly normal male or female..what the breeder is looking for is an all female bud late in flower thats shows something special..some call it tiny banana's others call it naner's or acorns..but what is it?

It's a male flower..this is what they look for to extract pollen from to make fem seeds..fem seeds are prone to develop hermies and are generally unstable..meaning it can show diff phenotype's..breeder's will never use a fem seed for any breeding stock..they prefer regular stable seeds to do so..

Be careful using any type of spray that claims to revert a plants natural course of growing..if in fact it can do just that,imagine what what blend of hormones some mad scientist came up with to accomplish such a thing..the trikle down effect just might cause an unsuspecting smoker to suddenly grow a 3rd nipple..that would'nt be cool..me thinks..so the best course is always the natural way,even if it means u got a male..so be it..

Don't take my word for it do the research yourself..

Sorry, Brother, but I need to disagree with you on a couple of points...

First, I agree that when breeding, you want to use natural females as the parents. But the only way I'm aware of to get truly feminized seeds is to have both parents with female genetics, which means, one of the females needs to be able to produce pollen. To get pollen from a female, you somehow need to get it to produce male parts, either chemically (as with CS) or by stressing the plant (as with light cycles).

But, you stated:

gathering pollen from balls of hermie and pollininating a female won't get u fem seeds,it will get u seeds that have more chances to hermie.a certain percent will hermie,a certain percent will be perfectly normal male or female.

While I would generally agree that your chances of hermies would increase using pollen from a hermie, and very much agree with doing your own research, I do NOT believe you would EVER end up with a "perfectly normal male". You'd end up with females, and possibly some hermies. The % of hermies would really depend on whether the pollen donor was prone to hermies (i.e. the trait was in the genetics) or it was forced to hermie.

I also agree it's best to stay "natural" and while I personally haven't used, or had to use, the DM Reverse, I have done quite a bit of research and haven't come across any reports of 3rd nipples.

In general, DM makes a superior line of nutes (I only use their Zone & Silica products, personally) and it's formulated specifically for MMJ. I don't know if it's OMRI listed, but you can get info, including the MSDS which doesn't list anything hazardous, here:

REVERSE Product | English

I would not recommend using the DM Reverse as part of any breeding program. It's really to save a harvest that's in flower and starting to hermie.

The "nanners" in your pics are indications that the plant was starting to hermie, which is pretty common very late in flower as part of the "self seeding" process I mentioned above.

 

[Thresher]

Its a mature female bud..that sprouted naner's 6 weeks into flower 2weeks short of harvest.
Other than a little of those naner's showing the plant showed pure female..

It is desendant from another female plant that got accidently pollinated from a hermie.
The hermie as it turned out,looked female until it grew nuts on lower branch i noticed it after it already popped and spewed its pollen..

 

[Thresher]

Well,to each his own..
We could go on and on..

Fem seeds are are developed from pollen from a female plants naner's

So,if i take pollen from naner's u saw and pollinate one of my stable females(which i intend to do)..
Seeds from that plant are fem seed..

How do i know? Because i have done it before..

Yes,there is such a thing as self pollination to sustain in the wild,but that is exeption to the rule..

Not tryin to knock ur spray..
I choose not to use it..thats all..

 

[Xlr8]

I've used Reverse, once as a preventative (they also claim it can help prevent hermies). One of the fem-seed plants I applied it to (DP Blueberry)... You guessed it, hermied. I also applied it once after noticeing male parts on a fem seed, and it didn't stop new ones from forming. I have seen people claim success with Reverse though, so mileage may vary. Otherwise, they do make good products. I must have had some stubborn hermies?!

Having said that, I'm not convinced at all that the plant in question is a male. To me, it's a coin toss as male parts probably wouldn't show there (in that location) first anyway. TBD!

Mr Krip, your breeding info is spot on. Wish I could rep you - you summed it all up so well, and accurately. To get to the heart of one of Wiz's questions, you need 2 (preferably non feminized seed) females, ie 2 regular females. One female is stressed (often with light cycle interruption) until it produces male parts (Mr Krip nailed the other ways to do this too - colloidal silver, extended bloom period). You want the plant being stressed to not produce male parts easily to minimize chances of hermie prone fem seeds (if doing light polution method, etc). Basically, Mr Krip's post should be printed and thrown in a binder, chapter 1 - basics of creating fem seeds. Way to go Kripster - great post.

 

[Mr. Krip]

Fem seeds are are developed from pollen from a female plants naner's

So,if i take pollen from naner's u saw and pollinate one of my stable females(which i intend to do)..
Seeds from that plant are fem seed..

If your female plant has "nanners" it is, by definition, a hermie. The "nanners" are male parts (pollen sacs). You're correct that the seeds will be females but possibly hermies also, depending on how prone your pollen donor was to show those male parts. My original post was just discussing ways to get females to produce pollen, and with it, gave a possible solution to stop/prevent unwanted hermies.

 

[jandre2k3]

Those pics I saw were not definitely male. They looked a bit pointy to me to be male. Plus, male flowers grow in "Clusters" from the areas you pointed out. They could be the early-early female flowers. Do you have any newer pics of those areas?

 

[WizHigh]

Those pics I saw were not definitely male. They looked a bit pointy to me to be male. Plus, male flowers grow in "Clusters" from the areas you pointed out. They could be the early-early female flowers. Do you have any newer pics of those areas?

Hey everybody thanks for your input and opinions on whats going on.

And I like to thank you Jandre for coming over. But to answer your question, I can take a few more pics but they might not help any now because I plucked them all off. Since then nothing has grown back. In some spots theres like 1 strain coming out at the node by the stipules. But it doesnt look like a hair to me. Really to thin to tell. Ill be flipping the lights at the end of next week so I will know in a couple weeks from now but I do have already rooted clones of the same plant and I can put them in to 12/12 now to find out. I have females in the same room and they are pointed with hairs coming out.


Heres a little picture guide to identify with my pictures. I think its a male preflower. Which would suck but hey it happens. Now the thing is, how do I cross breed with a female and this male plant?

And here are my females with there preflower pistols

So pretty much is it worth trying to cross breed the 2 or should I just throw the male out? And is there a such thing as a SUPER MALE??? If so how would I accomplish that?

 

[Muttt]

What is they were female flowers??

 

[WizHigh]

What is they were female flowers??

I dont think it was pistols, I tryd to pluck those off before to in fear they were balls but there pretty solid and stuck on to the plant. The ones I plucked off were tiny little balls and fell right out