4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

Re: 4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec. Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

Hey bro, how much water/nutrient would you put through a 5 gallon nursery pot full of croutons....and how often. I have the rings made and I got the gang manifolds today. I'm getting the 3x3 trays first, I'll plumb those before I put em in place, then when I get the res I'll just put it all together and rock and roll. This is a fairly costly conversion....for me anyway...LOL. It will be right around 500 bucks for the rig....and some of it is diy stuff! One more thing; how big are the pumps in your res'?
 
Re: 4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec. Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

Hey Mcloadie,

What is costing so much? Are you going to run 4 per tray?

I'll let sling tell you how he does it, but the fact is, it's difficult to over-water the cubes. I run the cheap 15 minute timers. So anytime the timer kicks on, the cubes are getting completely run through. This way, when I measure the PH and PPM of the res, I can be confident it is the same inside the medium. How often? I run it 1-2 x a day in veg, 3-4 x a day in flower. Late flower, back to 1 x a day.

cap
 
Re: 4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec. Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

Hey Mcloadie,

What is costing so much? Are you going to run 4 per tray?

I'll let sling tell you how he does it, but the fact is, it's difficult to over-water the cubes. I run the cheap 15 minute timers. So anytime the timer kicks on, the cubes are getting completely run through. This way, when I measure the PH and PPM of the res, I can be confident it is the same inside the medium. How often? I run it 1-2 x a day in veg, 3-4 x a day in flower. Late flower, back to 1 x a day.

cap

I got a nice res with the lid for like 139, and then the two trays that'll be like 150, I just spent 40 on cubes and 55 on dripper parts. I still have to get pvc, primer and glue. I made my own table, then sl1ng says a hundred for nutes. I still need to get a pump too, unless I use the one from my aerocloner til I can get another one, but I will probly just buy another one. It sounds like I just need to babysit the thing for a coupla cycles and see just how damp the cubes stay in my particular environment. I want to thank you, you guys have done all the work, so all I have to do is tune this rig and I'll be runnin before ya know it. I'm still like 3 months off, but in that 3 months I have to get a veg system going in another room. I'm doing the flower room first because if I somehow get the chance I'm willing to sacrifice a month of veg time in the flower room if I can squeeze the rig together by then. I could probably talk a friend into working with me on some cuts.....he has a place that I could throw a temp rig up to veg at.
 
Re: 4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec. Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

I got a nice res with the lid for like $139, and then the two trays that'll be like 150, I just spent 40 on cubes and 55 on dripper parts. I still have to get pvc, primer and glue. I made my own table, then sl1ng says a hundred for nutes. I still need to get a pump too, unless I use the one from my aerocloner til I can get another one, but I will probly just buy another one. It sounds like I just need to babysit the thing for a coupla cycles and see just how damp the cubes stay in my particular environment. I want to thank you, you guys have done all the work, so all I have to do is tune this rig and I'll be runnin before ya know it. I'm still like 3 months off, but in that 3 months I have to get a veg system going in another room. I'm doing the flower room first because if I somehow get the chance I'm willing to sacrifice a month of veg time in the flower room if I can squeeze the rig together by then. I could probably talk a friend into working with me on some cuts.....he has a place that I could throw a temp rig up to veg at.

Unless you're rich and enjoy hauling tons of water around, I would take the 139 res back. There is absolutely no reason to spend that much on a res. Plus, if your res is too big, it will take too much nutrient solution to cover the pump, and you will find yourself wasting a lot of nutrients. Use a simple $10, 14 gallon tote from the hardware store.

>>> Are you going to run 4 per tray?

You didn't answer this question, but unless you are going to run 4 per res, there is no reason to buy expensive trays. In fact, the trays collect water in the channels and then that water evaporates, causing humidity. Sling got the trays because he is going to run 4 per. Do what you want, but like I said, unless you have money to burn, there's no reason to spend it. The point of my entire "simple hydroponics" article, is it is effective, simple, and inexpensive.

Take a look at some of these pictures and you might be able to get some ideas. $2 worth of PVC and a 1/16" drill bit is all you need to make the drip rings.









 
Re: 4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec. Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

I had an incident up here Saturday morning sometime between three am and four am where one of my dogs was stolen, im now compromised and having to stay 24/7. I think when the cowards saw my SUV they decided not to go in, maybe it was the mention of let me go grab my... Its pitch dark do to all the clouds and fog, can't see a thing so of course I can't say for sure what happened.
I got some quicky internet and will be attempting to create a email camera internet notification thing. After tinys little sisters who will go on a 12/12 aka flip and are done so is this project and location. I'll be lucky to be home four nights of the next 63, sheesh, losers.
Im fully legal and will press charges forsure but I can't do that without proof. Even if they get to the cameras or even to the dvr I should have the images on the server right? If anyone's in the market the big orange shop has defender surveillance systems 40%-49% off! ends tomorrow.
I don't know if im more scared or more pissed. I got my buddy old buck to keep me company so if they wanna come visit me, well not good, let's hope they wised up.

I have a basic 4 channel unit it can detect motion, set off an alarm, take a snap and e-mail me and start recording to the cloud. I can also punch a hole in the firewall at whatever port I wish and get a log in to the DVR anywhere and monitor live. I am sure your unit can do most of that sort of stuff...
 
Re: 4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec. Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

Unless you're rich and enjoy hauling tons of water around, I would take the 139 res back. There is absolutely no reason to spend that much on a res. Plus, if your res is too big, it will take too much nutrient solution to cover the pump, and you will find yourself wasting a lot of nutrients. Use a simple $10, 14 gallon tote from the hardware store.

>>> Are you going to run 4 per tray?

You didn't answer this question, but unless you are going to run 4 per res, there is no reason to buy expensive trays. In fact, the trays collect water in the channels and then that water evaporates, causing humidity. Sling got the trays because he is going to run 4 per. Do what you want, but like I said, unless you have money to burn, there's no reason to spend it. The point of my entire "simple hydroponics" article, is it is effective, simple, and inexpensive.

Take a look at some of these pictures and you might be able to get some ideas. $2 worth of PVC and a 1/16" drill bit is all you need to make the drip rings.









Thanks cap'n, funny thing is I was thinking about looking back at your past articles and find those pics, too cool!
Reps cap

I have a basic 4 channel unit it can detect motion, set off an alarm, take a snap and e-mail me and start recording to the cloud. I can also punch a hole in the firewall at whatever port I wish and get a log in to the DVR anywhere and monitor live. I am sure your unit can do most of that sort of stuff...

I gotta get some equipment to do that when I move soon. There I should have true internet with a nice router. Then I can setup all kinds of cool gadgetry as funds allow.
Reps buck
 
Re: 4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec. Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

Happy Thurweed day Sling :thumb:
 
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This IMO, is the future of indoor stealth growing. Fan too loud when company comes over? Turn it down or off via your cell phone. Want to adjust your feed schedule, also from your cell phone. Possibilities are limitless and once I track down the name of the device that taverns and bars use to mete out mixed drinks by pressing a button on the bar gun, that would also be great as one could then completely change a res from a remote location, and tweak it to boot. Unfortunately, as best as I can find, there is not yet a comprehensive power receptacle with Insteon capabilities, there will no doubt someday be. All I can find now is a 2 outlet receptacle with one outlet that has Insteon. I want something that every outlet has Insteon. This would enable me to tweak my grow and run interference at the same time and keep guests otherwise occupied.
 
Re: 4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec. Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

Unless you're rich and enjoy hauling tons of water around, I would take the 139 res back. There is absolutely no reason to spend that much on a res. Plus, if your res is too big, it will take too much nutrient solution to cover the pump, and you will find yourself wasting a lot of nutrients. Use a simple $10, 14 gallon tote from the hardware store.

>>> Are you going to run 4 per tray?

You didn't answer this question, but unless you are going to run 4 per res, there is no reason to buy expensive trays. In fact, the trays collect water in the channels and then that water evaporates, causing humidity. Sling got the trays because he is going to run 4 per. Do what you want, but like I said, unless you have money to burn, there's no reason to spend it. The point of my entire "simple hydroponics" article, is it is effective, simple, and inexpensive.

Take a look at some of these pictures and you might be able to get some ideas. $2 worth of PVC and a 1/16" drill bit is all you need to make the drip rings.










I'm going to run six per tray capn, I can afford the res, and someday it may run two rooms. I want this unit to be nice looking and solid as well. I'm an old guy, I've worked hard and don't mind investing money on quality equipment that is designed for my purpose, I get my money back on every upgrade I've done.....first run! My last run paid for the whole dual 600 watt setup......still leaving me a margin of excess. I don't want to have to come back and redo stuff after I spent all this time and $ getting it done right the first time, and these rigs I design are "units", if someone wants to run one I can calculate exactly what it costs to build, run, and what it will yield. When I want to expand I can just take the list, get the stuff, throw it together and all the work is done.........and comparable results will be enjoyed! Thanks for your input, I'm trying to figure out how to get my new emitters to work now, I put the 1/4 inch tubing on em and no flow. I have a fair amount of experience with irrigation systems, and especially landscape drip systems. I never used these gang emitters before, we used the barbed fittings punched into the main line....this configuration is cheap, and works well in landscape situations...but they always leak. I'll be running 12 plants off a single res, I'm looking at a bladder that will go in the back of a pickup, and I already have a source of r/o water that I can connect to the bladder privately.....back the pickup up to the room and BAM. The res will also have the feature of turning two ball valves to direct the res water to a drain that goes through the floor and empties discretely.....into outdoor plants that will be growing this spring. I will post pics on my journal, my drip rings consist of 1/4 inch poly turned in a circle, joined together with a T, that have a series of small holes that are located on the underside of it. The ring is connected to the gang emitters...which have six ports each. Very simple....clean looking...and efficient....if I can get the fu-kers to work...LOL!
 
Re: 4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec. Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

I bought some drippers (not the gang valve you have) and discovered that the drippers require 25psi which my pumps will never generate. Make sure your setup doesn't require a PSI rating.
 
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I'm going to run six per tray capn, I can afford the res, and someday it may run two rooms. I want this unit to be nice looking and solid as well. I'm an old guy, I've worked hard and don't mind investing money on quality equipment that is designed for my purpose, I get my money back on every upgrade I've done.....first run! My last run paid for the whole dual 600 watt setup......still leaving me a margin of excess. I don't want to have to come back and redo stuff after I spent all this time and $ getting it done right the first time, and these rigs I design are "units", if someone wants to run one I can calculate exactly what it costs to build, run, and what it will yield. When I want to expand I can just take the list, get the stuff, throw it together and all the work is done.........and comparable results will be enjoyed! Thanks for your input, I'm trying to figure out how to get my new emitters to work now, I put the 1/4 inch tubing on em and no flow. I have a fair amount of experience with irrigation systems, and especially landscape drip systems. I never used these gang emitters before, we used the barbed fittings punched into the main line....this configuration is cheap, and works well in landscape situations...but they always leak. I'll be running 12 plants off a single res, I'm looking at a bladder that will go in the back of a pickup, and I already have a source of r/o water that I can connect to the bladder privately.....back the pickup up to the room and BAM. The res will also have the feature of turning two ball valves to direct the res water to a drain that goes through the floor and empties discretely.....into outdoor plants that will be growing this spring.

>>I can afford the res, and someday it may run two rooms

So can I, but I still prefer to run the $10 res, and spend the $129 on my family or other fun $hit.

Ok. It sounds like you are taking this technique in a totally different direction. 6 per tray won't even fit in the tray, unless you're using tiny pots. You are still thinking "DIRT". Drop that train of thought. These will be monsters.

If you run 2 trays, 6 per tray, all from of one res, you will need 12 in flower, 12 in veg. If your limit is 24, that gives you no room for extras or strain hunting. You could produce the same yield with 2 per tray, or at the most, 4 per tray, like sling is dabbling with. 2 per tray would yield an easy 20 zips per tray, every 2 months. Then you would have 4 in flower, 4 in veg at any given time. So if you have a plant count of 12, you will still have 4 to play with.

I would not run both trays from one res. It will be too difficult to drain both trays to one res, and feed both trays with one res. Leaks, gravity problems, etc. And, it will be impossible to run more than one strain efficiently, as some strains you will want to run longer, or at a higher PPM. I would use a separate $10 res for each tray. Most importantly, if you use one res for both trays, then you can't do a perpetual grow like sling and I do. There is no way possible you can trim 12 plants, and then reload your trays in a timely manner. It will waste too much time in between harvests, which translates to lost donations. When a tray is done, you will want to pull the plants off it, set them in another room, reload the tray that day, then go back and trim. Thereby, not missing a single day of flower room real estate.
3x3 will also make it harder to do the 4x4 scrog like sling is doing. I would consider 4x4 trays.

If you're using 1/4 hose, go all the way up to the plants with the 1/2", and then tap in to the 1/2" with the 1/4", to feed each plant. As sky was saying, the 1/4" puts too much back pressure on the pump. You won't be able to push water up a 1/4" hose. That hose sling is using (I forget what it's called) works well.

Sorry man, I don't mean to throw a wrench into your plans. I want you to be set up for success. You're a popular guy around here and if you set it up correctly, a lot of people will follow you. I think of every set up as a "business", not just a "hobby". If it's just a "hobby" to you, go for it. If you're serious about an efficient system, take another look at how sling has his perpetual grow set up.

I'm out!
 
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>>I can afford the res, and someday it may run two rooms

So can I, but I still prefer to run the $10 res, and spend the $129 on my family or other fun $hit.

Ok. It sounds like you are taking this technique in a totally different direction. 6 per tray won't even fit in the tray, unless you're using tiny pots. You are still thinking "DIRT". Drop that train of thought. These will be monsters.

If you run 2 trays, 6 per tray, all from of one res, you will need 12 in flower, 12 in veg. If your limit is 24, that gives you no room for extras or strain hunting. You could produce the same yield with 2 per tray, or at the most, 4 per tray, like sling is dabbling with. 2 per tray would yield an easy 20 zips per tray, every 2 months. Then you would have 4 in flower, 4 in veg at any given time. So if you have a plant count of 12, you will still have 4 to play with.

I would not run both trays from one res. It will be too difficult to drain both trays to one res, and feed both trays with one res. Leaks, gravity problems, etc. And, it will be impossible to run more than one strain efficiently, as some strains you will want to run longer, or at a higher PPM. I would use a separate $10 res for each tray. Most importantly, if you use one res for both trays, then you can't do a perpetual grow like sling and I do. There is no way possible you can trim 12 plants, and then reload your trays in a timely manner. It will waste too much time in between harvests, which translates to lost donations. When a tray is done, you will want to pull the plants off it, set them in another room, reload the tray that day, then go back and trim. Thereby, not missing a single day of flower room real estate.
3x3 will also make it harder to do the 4x4 scrog like sling is doing. I would consider 4x4 trays.

If you're using 1/4 hose, go all the way up to the plants with the 1/2", and then tap in to the 1/2" with the 1/4", to feed each plant. As sky was saying, the 1/4" puts too much back pressure on the pump. You won't be able to push water up a 1/4" hose. That hose sling is using (I forget what it's called) works well.

Sorry man, I don't mean to throw a wrench into your plans. I want you to be set up for success. You're a popular guy around here and if you set it up correctly, a lot of people will follow you. I think of every set up as a "business", not just a "hobby". If it's just a "hobby" to you, go for it. If you're serious about an efficient system, take another look at how sling has his perpetual grow set up.

I'm out!

Thanks capn, you have given me a lot to think about.....I'll get back to ya...LOL....whew! I may drop to 4 a tray, do you consider a 5 gallon nursery pot to be too small? You're right, a lot of my pre-conceived ideas do come from my work in soil.........which other than an aerocloner is all I've ever worked with. The reason I'm plumbing it the way I am is to avoid leaks. I detailed the plumbing on my journal and it will be easy to achieve a tight system the way I designed it. I've seen sl1ngs rig, and we had some discussions on the challenges that he's encountered. The res will be supplying one room right now, it's only 88 inches at length so 4x4's are out of the question....for this room. I have another room that I'll be vegging in, when I moved, my schedule got messed up a little and that is whay these twelve are vegging in the flower room under hps. The other room is quite crude right now, when my last harvest is dry things will be happening more quickly. What I'm hoping for is to procure some vegged plants from an outside source and reload them in the flower room, that will give me a time buffer to get the veg room completely insulated, wired, plumbed, vented, and cooled. This is a pretty big step for me, and I'm thankful for your advice. If things work the way I'd like, I'll double what I have in the flower room....just duplicate it and run the feeds and drains to the same res. One thing that most hydro growers have recommended...is to get the biggest res....within reason...that I can accommodate.
 
Re: 4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec. Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

Happy Freeweed day Sling and a Chronic Weekend :thumb:
 
Re: 4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec. Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

s1ingblade-do you think this will work better??

I took the big hydro halo-used a step bit and drilled through it,used 3/8 line to connect small halo---160gph pump
will use 3 gallons before runoff starts

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Nice watering ring setup! It seems as though it's all relevant...the more water you have coming out the less time it needs to run. I'm excited to get my croutons in the mail.........I cant wait to see how well they wick...and just how much water they hold and what they're like when damp. I've seen a rig running with these, but to get intimate with em I'll be spending a lot of time in the box observing.
 
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thanks mcloadie,I either had to build capn style with pvc,or figure something with my parts laying around

using just the big halo,is not really an option,(lesson learned) does not cover the ground needed, really only covers about 3 inches in a 5 gallon bucket
 
Re: 4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec. Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

thanks mcloadie,I either had to build capn style with pvc,or figure something with my parts laying around

using just the big halo,is not really an option,(lesson learned) does not cover the ground needed, really only covers about 3 inches in a 5 gallon bucket

So, the cubes don't wick well and need water directly on them? I'm envisioning a 3 inch band that goes in side the perimeter of the pot.....which would be centered on that large watering ring you modified.....before modification of course. Until I get some of these cubes wet right in front of me and I can play with em I'm not going to comprehend the exact consistency.
 
Re: 4000 Watt Top-Feed Rec. Grow Cubes Cap'n Style OG Kush

s1ingblade-do you think this will work better??

I took the big hydro halo-used a step bit and drilled through it,used 3/8 line to connect small halo---160gph pump
will use 3 gallons before runoff starts

LOVE IT! The more water you can run water thru the cubes, the better. That way you know the cubes are the same PH and PPM as your res water. You could use one tiny dripper, and that would "wet" all the cubes, but it doesn't flush them as well as drip rings. I like the high flow rate.
 
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LOVE IT! The more water you can run water thru the cubes, the better. That way you know the cubes are the same PH and PPM as your res water. You could use one tiny dripper, and that would "wet" all the cubes, but it doesn't flush them as well as drip rings. I like the high flow rate.

Hmmm, that makes alotta sense..........how big did you say the holes are in your pvc ring..... cap?
 
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So, the cubes don't wick well and need water directly on them? I'm envisioning a 3 inch band that goes in side the perimeter of the pot.....which would be centered on that large watering ring you modified.....before modification of course. Until I get some of these cubes wet right in front of me and I can play with em I'm not going to comprehend the exact consistency.

Ha, our posts crossed, Mcloadie. They wick well, but that doesn't keep them flushed. Drippy drip emitters are not enough. You need a lot of water flow. That's why I make the PVC drip rings. Some things like this may seem insignificant, but there is a reason to all my madness, I promise you ;-)

1/16" inch is about what I use
 
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