24-on 12-off light cycle

SmokingWings said:
It is an interesting experiment in gardening but I am with @Sueet and the amount of time that the lights are on and the amounts of time till harvest do not sound economical either on a personal or business level. Sort of the usual comparing apples and oranges.

It is more than just the estimated cost of the electricity for the 24 weeks for that growing. Also need to know the electricity costs for a typical 8 to 12 week grow cycle at 12/12 with the same lights.

Cannot compare the estimated $40 a month of electricity for your grow to to the 10K for four lbs of weed from a dispensary. It does not make sense nor add up. Around here very few dispensaries grow their own product. They have to buy from a grower so most likely the four lbs actually cost the dispensary about 5K. They then have to add on all their expenses and hope there is enough room at the end to show a profit to make it worth while.

I believe Sueet brought up your time spent during the grow. Start adding in the money you would want if you were working for someone and having to help grow those plants, mix fertilizers, sweep the floor and all those other chores. Add in cost of the lights and the time it takes to go get them or what the delivery costs. Add in the "wear and tear" depreciation of those lights after they have been running for those 24 weeks. Figure in the costs associated with the room lights that have to be on so you can see what you are doing while mixing up fertilizers, etc. How about insurance? A legal dispensary and legal grower will be calculating the insurance on buildings and employees into the costs of their product.

Also, I was under the impression that the idea behind longer lights on and same or shorter light off times was to reduce the number of weeks till harvest. Instead of the 12 weeks from start of flower to harvest the amounts of extra time that the lights are on allowed a harvest with the same quantity and quality in 10 weeks.

The savings are in time and it is up to the grower whether that time savings is worth the extra costs.
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There is also another advantage. When you normally do a grow, its a guessing game if you are in veg long enough to fill the tent. I never have to guess if im going to fill the tent. In fact i have to worry how much i have to trim to prevent overcrowding. If I had the money for a great aeroponics system, and a green enough thumb, I could pull the most massive buds you have ever seen with this system.
 
labweed said:
There is also another advantage. When you normally do a grow, its a guessing game if you are in veg long enough to fill the tent. I never have to guess if im going to fill the tent. In fact i have to worry how much i have to trim to prevent overcrowding. If I had the money for a great aeroponics system, and a green enough thumb, I could pull the most massive buds you have ever seen with this system.
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I agree money is not a major issue really,but the time sunk. Could you have pulled the same weight with 3 separate grows. Like I pull a pound every 2 months with a continuous harvest set up so in 24 weeks I pull 3 plus pounds from 3 runs (veg time was eaten at start,you have similiar set up so veg doesn't apply). Could you have met or exceeded the numbers you produced in 24 wks method if you had done 3 separate grows in same time frame ?
 
4our8ighty0 said:
I agree money is not a major issue really,but the time sunk. Could you have pulled the same weight with 3 separate grows. Like I pull a pound every 2 months with a continuous harvest set up so in 24 weeks I pull 3 plus pounds from 3 runs (veg time was eaten at start,you have similiar set up so veg doesn't apply). Could you have met or exceeded the numbers you produced in 24 wks method if you had done 3 separate grows in same time frame ?
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Are you doing autos? Or do you have a separate veg tent? Ive never heard of going from seed to harvest in two months otherwise. Im just saying ive grown these strains before under 12/12. Those were in aeroponics, and were VERY healthy throughout the grow, and the yield was not even close. I had Bay 11 and Grape Ape in there. They were pretty good tops. Maybe 6-8 inches in length. I wasnt unhappy. But the next grow, i used clones from those, and did 16/12. I had one top that was fatter and taller than a 24 ounce beer, and 20 other tops that were close. So there is no question in my mind that it makes much much larger buds. It just takes longer.
 
labweed said:
There is also another advantage. When you normally do a grow, its a guessing game if you are in veg long enough to fill the tent. I never have to guess if im going to fill the tent. In fact i have to worry how much i have to trim to prevent overcrowding. If I had the money for a great aeroponics system, and a green enough thumb, I could pull the most massive buds you have ever seen with this system.
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makes sense to me for dispensors to grow naturally in a field save on light costs but you only get one harvest a year although that harvest is very large the plants you get in the wild are bigger than what you can grow in a warehouse or tents. and not having to pay for lights or the warehouse rent it would be a major cost saving. if i was to set up growing medical cannabis i wouldnt be using lights especially in the UK. people have grown it out in the wild over here someone had it on their youtube channel he found a clearing in some woodland and grows hsi crop in a little clearing in the middle . he only gets one crop a year but he grows quite a few plants i think something like 10 maybe a few more. going on what a plants grows like in the wild you wouldnt need as many plants per person.

just look at some of the pictures on this search in google . i would only need one of those massive plants per year lol.



if you could grow a plant like those in the uk in our back gardens we would need armed gaurds round it 24/7 stop undesirables coming and pinching it .
 
Digipro said:
makes sense to me for dispensors to grow naturally in a field save on light costs but you only get one harvest a year although that harvest is very large the plants you get in the wild are bigger than what you can grow in a warehouse or tents. and not having to pay for lights or the warehouse rent it would be a major cost saving. if i was to set up growing medical cannabis i wouldnt be using lights especially in the UK. people have grown it out in the wild over here someone had it on their youtube channel he found a clearing in some woodland and grows hsi crop in a little clearing in the middle . he only gets one crop a year but he grows quite a few plants i think something like 10 maybe a few more. going on what a plants grows like in the wild you wouldnt need as many plants per person.

just look at some of the pictures on this search in google . i would only need one of those massive plants per year lol.



if you could grow a plant like those in the uk in our back gardens we would need armed gaurds round it 24/7 stop undesirables coming and pinching it .
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Oh yea,that's very true,I am gonna start a few outdoor gorilla grows myself. Cept I won't start them from seed out doors. I'll transplant them. Figured I'd do 4 or 5 gorilla locations. But only focus on 2 (like tilling,soil mixing,fencing etc) and leaves 3 locations un manned and just check on them every few weeks. If I can get even 2 of these 5 grows to harvest I would consider it a success.
 
labweed said:
Are you doing autos? Or do you have a separate veg tent? Ive never heard of going from seed to harvest in two months otherwise. Im just saying ive grown these strains before under 12/12. Those were in aeroponics, and were VERY healthy throughout the grow, and the yield was not even close. I had Bay 11 and Grape Ape in there. They were pretty good tops. Maybe 6-8 inches in length. I wasnt unhappy. But the next grow, i used clones from those, and did 16/12. I had one top that was fatter and taller than a 24 ounce beer, and 20 other tops that were close. So there is no question in my mind that it makes much much larger buds. It just takes longer.
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Well you are vegging your next 2 runs while you flower correct ? So that means the only veg time that counts towards your out put is the first veg ? After that you would be flowering and vegging. You wouldn't have to be slowed down by veg any more. I have a continuous harvest method I always use, so that means every 60 days I will be harvesting a run. The next run is vegging while you flower current run. It's the highest gram output method I know of,so when I say you could have harvest 3 grows in that time frame that's what I mean. If you can exceed your harvest numbers from 3 grows then I would say this method was a success. Idk if what I'm trying to say is clear? Am I making sense or no lmao. 🤣
 
4our8ighty0 said:
Well you are vegging your next 2 runs while you flower correct ? So that means the only veg time that counts towards your out put is the first veg ? After that you would be flowering and vegging. You wouldn't have to be slowed down by veg any more. I have a continuous harvest method I always use, so that means every 60 days I will be harvesting a run. The next run is vegging while you flower current run. It's the highest gram output method I know of,so when I say you could have harvest 3 grows in that time frame that's what I mean. If you can exceed your harvest numbers from 3 grows then I would say this method was a success. Idk if what I'm trying to say is clear? Am I making sense or no lmao. 🤣
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It is a success in terms of morphology,them buds are impressive!! You are on to something I think,just needs refining 🤔
 
4our8ighty0 said:
Well you are vegging your next 2 runs while you flower correct ? So that means the only veg time that counts towards your out put is the first veg ? After that you would be flowering and vegging. You wouldn't have to be slowed down by veg any more. I have a continuous harvest method I always use, so that means every 60 days I will be harvesting a run. The next run is vegging while you flower current run. It's the highest gram output method I know of,so when I say you could have harvest 3 grows in that time frame that's what I mean. If you can exceed your harvest numbers from 3 grows then I would say this method was a success. Idk if what I'm trying to say is clear? Am I making sense or no lmao. 🤣
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Well you have to remember, i dont smoke. I just give this to a few people that smoke. I have no need to accumulate barrels of buds. So a continuous grow would be a total waste for me. Im just an amature botonist that is trying to come up with some new technique. The first person that tried growing indoors was probably told that it would never work. The first person to take all the males out was probably told that they're wasting money not making seed. The first person to do swazzing was probably told the plants wont have enough energy to produce any bud. Everyone that ever tried anything new is always met with skeptisism. Maybe there is no benefit to my method, but it could be perfected to revolutionize the industry. Who knows?
 
labweed said:
Well you have to remember, i dont smoke. I just give this to a few people that smoke. I have no need to accumulate barrels of buds. So a continuous grow would be a total waste for me. Im just an amature botonist that is trying to come up with some new technique. The first person that tried growing indoors was probably told that it would never work. The first person to take all the males out was probably told that they're wasting money not making seed. The first person to do swazzing was probably told the plants wont have enough energy to produce any bud. Everyone that ever tried anything new is always met with skeptisism. Maybe there is no benefit to my method, but it could be perfected to revolutionize the industry. Who knows?
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Ofc bro,I'm not knocking what you doing. I agree, experiments are how growing is supposed to be. Lotta people seem to want to sterilize and etch ideas into stone way to fast in this new world of plant care we partake in here on the 420 side of the fence. Could be cuz everything is so new. I think cannabis farming has sssooo long to go before they can even start being frugal or figuring out more effective methods. Cannabis industry is being treated like a prostitute by gov,policy makers and droves of other corporate leeches that are only allowing cannabis to boom now is because of the insane taxation and loopholes that make these powers richer. After the prostitution phase is over,then cannabis can finally focus on the nitty gritty and develope a commercial cannabis system that we seem to be searching for. We all will be part of that process eventually. So experiment on bro. I think it warrants more exploration. This experiment was very cool,longer flower periods are sought after for various reasons. I wish you had trich pics thru whole 6 months I curious about a lot lol
 

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