1st-ish Grow, California Snow Auto, Help Needed, Day 19

ChocolatChunk said:
Theres a flush from AN thats a magnesium EDTA and there's magnesium sulfate or as we know as epsom salts. They call for 2ml of their solution to a liter of water.
I would never buy much AN for my own reasons but started using a little epsom in the near end and as a homemade beginning flush agent. Up to you not pushing my methods but I am getting this new stuff called HYCLEAN from the makers of HYGROZYME and it also is a chelater so that will make the difference on pulling salts if you aren't completely organic. I do taste salt in some plant matter sometimes and makes me think I have to dial it back a tad or just flush more and this new stuff looks really good.
I see a few companies who call for intermediate flushes between transition and between mid flower then late flower. I have tried to keep up with that and it is a lot of flushing.
Look into ice flushing I have given it a go in my own take with plugging the bath tubs and adding ice and filling with cold water and letting them sit there for hours. Starting by running water through all the pots first.
People say it doesn't help Idk those people must not have good taste senses then.
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I’ve just read a few articles on ice flushing. It seems (to me), taking common parts of arguments etc, that during what is considered flushing time, approx 2 weeks before harvest, that ice should be used every 2-3 days to “shock” the plant into producing more trichomes.
Is that correct?

If so does it give the new trichomes time to mature? Or is that not how trichomes work?
Or does the shock just make them more powerful.

As you know I’m very new to all this but before I started I did plenty of reading, but never came across this concept before.
 
Hey Digger,
I want to say it makes the trichomes ripen faster and can also enhance color changes because of the cold the plants in response darken by making extra Anthocyanin which is the purple pigment in turn to create more heat in the plant itself from the light it gets. Helping the plant stay alive longer. I heard that it promotes new resin production or new crystals and they might not ripen at the rate everything else has but the cold is to also increase that process too.
I put the cubes right into the pots and watered through them to speed it up.
I did try to follow what I had found like you, repeating every 2-3 days... I grew pink grapefruit autos and put them to the ice water test in the bath tub... Would be easy to do for smaller plants but larger plants can be tricky to move so much. I haven't done it for a while because it was a bit time consuming and I cant say that it made a difference because I never grew that strain before and it was pretty good. I feel the ice water helped bring out more oil and earthy taste.
 
That’s what I did, laid them on top, didn’t add water but by morning they’d melted and ran through.

Now, being my first real grow, and the only plant, I look and inspect her several times a day.

How is it I look at it tonight and there’s plenty of Mold Gnats crawling/low flying over the surface.
I had a few at the beginning, sprayed them with Vitality+ and that was the last of them, even after I had added extra Coco.

So why are they back, or rather since they’re in a tent, in a sealed basement of which nowhere leaves to the outside world?

Ive just sprayed them with the same stuff which hopefully should work again.
 
ChocolatChunk said:
Hey Digger,
I want to say it makes the trichomes ripen faster and can also enhance color changes because of the cold the plants in response darken by making extra Anthocyanin which is the purple pigment in turn to create more heat in the plant itself from the light it gets. Helping the plant stay alive longer. I heard that it promotes new resin production or new crystals and they might not ripen at the rate everything else has but the cold is to also increase that process too.
I put the cubes right into the pots and watered through them to speed it up.
I did try to follow what I had found like you, repeating every 2-3 days... I grew pink grapefruit autos and put them to the ice water test in the bath tub... Would be easy to do for smaller plants but larger plants can be tricky to move so much. I haven't done it for a while because it was a bit time consuming and I cant say that it made a difference because I never grew that strain before and it was pretty good. I feel the ice water helped bring out more oil and earthy taste.
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That’s what I did, laid them on top, though didn’t add water but by morning they’d melted and ran through and she was still alive.

Now, being my first real grow, and the only plant, I look and inspect her several times a day.

How is it I look at it tonight and there’s plenty of Mold Gnats crawling/low flying over the surface.
I had a few at the beginning, sprayed them with Vitality+ and that was the last of them, even after I had added extra Coco.

So why are they back, or rather since they’re in a tent, in a sealed basement of which nowhere leado to the outside world?

Ive just sprayed them with the same stuff which hopefully should work again.
 
Digger3691 said:
That’s what I did, laid them on top, though didn’t add water but by morning they’d melted and ran through and she was still alive.

Now, being my first real grow, and the only plant, I look and inspect her several times a day.

How is it I look at it tonight and there’s plenty of Mold Gnats crawling/low flying over the surface.
I had a few at the beginning, sprayed them with Vitality+ and that was the last of them, even after I had added extra Coco.

So why are they back, or rather since they’re in a tent, in a sealed basement of which nowhere leado to the outside world?

Ive just sprayed them with the same stuff which hopefully should work again.
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while taking a look now, a couple hours later, most not noticeable, but then I saw a tiny white maggoty thing crawling upwards. I tried to get him for a photo but must have squashed/lost/dropped the thing.
Would the larvae start to crawl up if poisoned??
 
Digger3691 said:
while taking a look now, a couple hours later, most not noticeable, but then I saw a tiny white maggoty thing crawling upwards. I tried to get him for a photo but must have squashed/lost/dropped the thing.
Would the larvae start to crawl up if poisoned??
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Yea they might wiggle away from the poison and pop up.
Good luck with it my friend.

Stay safe
Bill
 
Hey Digger! That sounds like the same headache I been having. The best thing would be to get mosquito bits and make a hot tea with it. A tablespoon or 2 in a jug... Hot water not boiling but hot enough to steep the bacteria BT out of it and into the liquid. Water in for 4 weeks everytime you would water.
The quick shot which is using peroxide will help you kill them right now.
For older plants not so much harm. Babies they will destroy the maggots eat the roots.
1 to 4 ratio perocide to water. Water thoroughly until you stop seeing them. Also if you can get a couple sticky traps going that will help. I sometimes add a fly trap.. Just a jar or bottle with a shot of apple cider vinegar for the fermenting smell to attract them. Then corn syrup for sweetness or use sugar just dissolve it in the water... Not much maybe a few packets and dish soap. I had good success with apple soap. You can start with hot water to make dissolving sugar easier.
You only need the bottom 1/4 of the jar or bottle filled with the catch and kill solution.
Without the sugar it doesn't work as good.
You might even find leaving a deep pot or container of water to sit out there's a few that will land in there.
Let it stay there because this will create a magnet to other flies as they are programmed to pick out breeding ground where other flies have landed and they will just keep dying in the same water too.
Change it after a week to not allow any bugs to hatch from it though. The vinegar traps you can leave about a month or 2.
Hope this helps.. 1 bottle of peroxide into 1 gallon of water. You will need a larger container like a bucket to mix it in but try that first my friend. Good luck get em' gone!
Happy growing!,
CChunk
 
ChocolatChunk said:
Hey Digger! That sounds like the same headache I been having. The best thing would be to get mosquito bits and make a hot tea with it. A tablespoon or 2 in a jug... Hot water not boiling but hot enough to steep the bacteria BT out of it and into the liquid. Water in for 4 weeks everytime you would water.
The quick shot which is using peroxide will help you kill them right now.
For older plants not so much harm. Babies they will destroy the maggots eat the roots.
1 to 4 ratio perocide to water. Water thoroughly until you stop seeing them. Also if you can get a couple sticky traps going that will help. I sometimes add a fly trap.. Just a jar or bottle with a shot of apple cider vinegar for the fermenting smell to attract them. Then corn syrup for sweetness or use sugar just dissolve it in the water... Not much maybe a few packets and dish soap. I had good success with apple soap. You can start with hot water to make dissolving sugar easier.
You only need the bottom 1/4 of the jar or bottle filled with the catch and kill solution.
Without the sugar it doesn't work as good.
You might even find leaving a deep pot or container of water to sit out there's a few that will land in there.
Let it stay there because this will create a magnet to other flies as they are programmed to pick out breeding ground where other flies have landed and they will just keep dying in the same water too.
Change it after a week to not allow any bugs to hatch from it though. The vinegar traps you can leave about a month or 2.
Hope this helps.. 1 bottle of peroxide into 1 gallon of water. You will need a larger container like a bucket to mix it in but try that first my friend. Good luck get em' gone!
Happy growing!,
CChunk
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After spraying with Vitality+ last night I’ve checked and there’s only a few Gnats around, who knows about the larvae though, so I’ll check some of these option too.
They seem to hanging out near the inside of the pot where the coco has moved away from the pot wall, not sure if that’s where they surface, or it’s a good place to hide when they se me coming, but I gave that area an extra spray today.
 
They hide all over the place... I have 3 electric bug traps 2 catchers with the blue light to attract them and a fan sucks them onto a sticky pad. These are great for camping or putting on your patio when you're hanging outside for a while at night. The other is from bulb head it has the blue light inside but has a network of zapping rods that fry them when they enter to the light.
 
ChocolatChunk said:
They hide all over the place... I have 3 electric bug traps 2 catchers with the blue light to attract them and a fan sucks them onto a sticky pad. These are great for camping or putting on your patio when you're hanging outside for a while at night. The other is from bulb head it has the blue light inside but has a network of zapping rods that fry them when they enter to the light.
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ive heard of those ones that suck them in, are they good?

So I’ve just bought 2 yellow sticky traps, 2 x 200ml Hydrogen Peroxide 3% BP and a bottle of Apple Cider Vinegar (naturally fermented if that makes a difference, I just picked the cheapest lol).

Ive stuck one of the sticky traps in (they really live up to they’re sticky reputation, they don’t have chemicals do they? They don’t seem to need it), I‘ll do the Hydrogen Peroxide a bit later as the Vitality+ is still working through at the moment.
I forgot corn syrup, I do have black strap molasses though, would you use that or just dissolved sugar.

Cheers!

Edit: Also I looked all over for Mosquito Bits but it seems I can only find them online. But I’ll have to get me some as I like the idea of them.
 
I wont go camping without 1... Leave 1 at home just incase I found double sided sheets in 40 packs and cut 2 discs per sheet but am able to cut dramatic cost for refill they want you to buy. Traced 1 of theirs and cut them out in 2 layers, in 3 sheets they cut but not as clean and fast as cutting 2 sheets at once.
Using the opposite side and flipping when the one side is full. Gives me 160 sticky pads for the price of 6 regular ones. I hang a sheet too I should hang a cpl more. But also hang a sheet camping its nice having 2 sides of sticky stick.
The glue is probably harmless and non toxic if its not being heated too much like on top of a light where it might let some chemicals known to the state of California to. Cause birth defects lol you wouldn't get that my dry sense of humor it's a states thing. California seeks out so many ways to alarm people of potential health risk warnings.
Dont sweat it though! They make the stickies with non-toxic materials.
The roll strips is what i used to use they do work good and last a while. They use molasses to make them so sticky its boiled and thats just recycled brown paper rolled up. I thought about making my own but dont have that type of patience.
Just use regular sugar but molasses would work too just be a bit tinted and harder to see if your solution is working good. Use a fair amt of dish detergent maybe 1/4 or 1/2 teaspoon not much. That vinegar sounds like it will do good. I have better luck with the raw acv too. It's gross but good diluted in juice or pop i call it here other people say soda.
I take a shot of it every now and then to clean my clock and is strange that its also good for acid reflux or upset stomach. It maybe make you a bit nauseous at first it's doing your body good though I think for cramps even.
Acv is also an ingredient in trifecta which is a bug/ mold control concentrate. Stinky stuff and pricey. I will never buy again.
 
yes the bits are worth the investment though you may be able to find at a super home store with pond supplies or a tool/ feed store usually stocked in with pesticides sometimes in a tubular can with a shaker top like sea salt kind of or a bigger bag. I used the dunks and they helped me a lot. I wish I knew the hot water trick but I might be ordering some bits or picking some up next day or so myself Need these things gone lol I spray flying insect controls that are natural made from geranium oil and clove and cinnamon and they help too but are not the total solution. It is a war in there for me right now.
Clearing up and getting there.
What are you gonna grow next Digger?
 
ChocolatChunk said:
yes the bits are worth the investment though you may be able to find at a super home store with pond supplies or a tool/ feed store usually stocked in with pesticides sometimes in a tubular can with a shaker top like sea salt kind of or a bigger bag. I used the dunks and they helped me a lot. I wish I knew the hot water trick but I might be ordering some bits or picking some up next day or so myself Need these things gone lol I spray flying insect controls that are natural made from geranium oil and clove and cinnamon and they help too but are not the total solution. It is a war in there for me right now.
Clearing up and getting there.
What are you gonna grow next Digger?
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I just had another look, no gnats and only 5 stuck on the trap. Brilliant I thought!
I then held the fabric pot to rotate and look from a different angle, this moved some substrate away from the side of the pot and about another 5/7 flew out, bastids!!

Ive got an early start tomorrow and only a 5 hour shift so will do the Peroxide as well, then the Apple Cider Vinegar, great point BTW about not using molasses due to visibility.
 
ChocolatChunk said:
yes the bits are worth the investment though you may be able to find at a super home store with pond supplies or a tool/ feed store usually stocked in with pesticides sometimes in a tubular can with a shaker top like sea salt kind of or a bigger bag. I used the dunks and they helped me a lot. I wish I knew the hot water trick but I might be ordering some bits or picking some up next day or so myself Need these things gone lol I spray flying insect controls that are natural made from geranium oil and clove and cinnamon and they help too but are not the total solution. It is a war in there for me right now.
Clearing up and getting there.
What are you gonna grow next Digger?
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I haven’t decided yet, but have been giving a lot of thought to what to grow next.
The main reason I chose this strain was due to it being able to handle hot temperature, now of course she’s not huge, and looking at her yesterday I think she still has at least 2 weeks to go, but I’m happy with her her, and if all the present buds swell a bit more I’d be more than happy for this first(ish) grow. it was more difficult than I thought (having never really grown any plant), but it’s a journey of discovery and learning that I like, and of course hopefully the results will be good too.

But here, down under, everything’s reversed to you, so we’ve just entered fall heading to winter.
Of course me coming from England it feels like it never gets cold here, but temps do drop quite a lot plus the humidity too. But I think these conditions will be more beneficial to growing for my small indoor set up.

I still want something that’s easy to grow, won’t get too high, my tent is 6’ but you have to factor in lights etc, and I prefer quality over quantity.

I still have another 3 seeds of this strain and 2 of Gorilla Glue, all autos, but I think I’ll go with something else.

But I like the look of Girl Scout Cookies and AK. Wifey wants me to try one that don’t stink to much, I’ve read Northern Lights is good in that area.
what do you think of the above???


Also today I got some bubble bags. I wasn’t going to bother until I saw how much people get off what they would’ve discarded!

Thanks for all your help, you’ve been I life saver answering all my questions.
 
ChocolatChunk said:
I wont go camping without 1... Leave 1 at home just incase I found double sided sheets in 40 packs and cut 2 discs per sheet but am able to cut dramatic cost for refill they want you to buy. Traced 1 of theirs and cut them out in 2 layers, in 3 sheets they cut but not as clean and fast as cutting 2 sheets at once.
Using the opposite side and flipping when the one side is full. Gives me 160 sticky pads for the price of 6 regular ones. I hang a sheet too I should hang a cpl more. But also hang a sheet camping its nice having 2 sides of sticky stick.
The glue is probably harmless and non toxic if its not being heated too much like on top of a light where it might let some chemicals known to the state of California to. Cause birth defects lol you wouldn't get that my dry sense of humor it's a states thing. California seeks out so many ways to alarm people of potential health risk warnings.
Dont sweat it though! They make the stickies with non-toxic materials.
The roll strips is what i used to use they do work good and last a while. They use molasses to make them so sticky its boiled and thats just recycled brown paper rolled up. I thought about making my own but dont have that type of patience.
Just use regular sugar but molasses would work too just be a bit tinted and harder to see if your solution is working good. Use a fair amt of dish detergent maybe 1/4 or 1/2 teaspoon not much. That vinegar sounds like it will do good. I have better luck with the raw acv too. It's gross but good diluted in juice or pop i call it here other people say soda.
I take a shot of it every now and then to clean my clock and is strange that its also good for acid reflux or upset stomach. It maybe make you a bit nauseous at first it's doing your body good though I think for cramps even.
Acv is also an ingredient in trifecta which is a bug/ mold control concentrate. Stinky stuff and pricey. I will never buy again.
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Actually I do get that joke about the California warning marks on everything with toxic/carcinogenic labels.
Up to a couple of years ago I did a lot of modelling, making dioramas etc, anything that was also sold in the US, so basically everything, had that warning.

Below is a glue for model type plastic, made in Japan, sold all over the world, with the warning.

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So although the Vitality+ seems to have got rid of the majority of Fungus Gnats there’s still some hanging about. I don’t know why some should seem to survive, or are these newly evolved (looking for right word there) where the spray hasn’t got to. But anyway they are there so I used Hydrogen Peroxide today and I’m just about to get the Apple Cider Vinegar ready.

One thing I found amusing, if you can find anything amusing about these, was I was going to use water from the de-humidifier as part of the HP mix and there were quite a few dead ‘uns floating in there that had been sucked in.
 
ChocolatChunk said:
yes the bits are worth the investment though you may be able to find at a super home store with pond supplies or a tool/ feed store usually stocked in with pesticides sometimes in a tubular can with a shaker top like sea salt kind of or a bigger bag. I used the dunks and they helped me a lot. I wish I knew the hot water trick but I might be ordering some bits or picking some up next day or so myself Need these things gone lol I spray flying insect controls that are natural made from geranium oil and clove and cinnamon and they help too but are not the total solution. It is a war in there for me right now.
Clearing up and getting there.
What are you gonna grow next Digger?
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Oh yeah, I see what you mean about a war.
When looking I only see one or two, but if I disrupt the surface they start coming up everywhere. I’ve looked in the top couple of inches and can’t see any wriggly bastards though.

I used 400ml of Hydrogen Peroxide in approx 2.5 litre of water and theyre still there. Is it ok to apply the HO again? I dont want to harm the plant or myself when I smoke her.

I used Apple Cider Vinegar and apart from stinking me out it did nothing about the Gnats.
The sticky traps don’t seem to be doing much either!
 
i went with HP again, 300ml in around 700ml water, twice.
Because I’d only done similar yesterday I got lots to run through, but I figure at least it’s gone all the way through.

i kin hate these, I hope it’s better tomorrow as they could do with a feed.
 
Yes it is an all out battle to eliminate. The h2o2 is good to keep running through and is non toxic to you once its cut and dry it is evaporated.
Did you know in the oceans and lakes that sunscreen containing titanium dioxide is washing off ppl and chemically converting into h2o2 at the water surface and killing the micro algae and phyto plankton effectively doing a number on the whole food chain on a global level but we dont seem too concerned about leaving our childrens children with no food LOL
It sure is a strange thing to have to head into winter makes sense though they used to teach that to us in school now everything below the equador is going into winter lol weird.
But also a gem of a climate to grow free a/c and natural dryness... Gonna be tricky curing. My trick is brown paper bags or boxes you can close after the outside starts to get dry and slow the dry in a box or a bag to help preserve your sought after dank terps.
It says to water the 1 to 4 h2o2 and water sometimes up to 4 weeks but keep the trap and yes its funny to see the dehumidifier is also a good trap. I have found gnats to be one of the most annoying pests. Did you dilute the acv like an ounce to say 4 ounces water with dish detergent and sugar in the water dissolved? Gg4! I love northern though super intriguing. Try to find a northern with a Nevilles haze in it theres a lot of NL crosses one is right for you or all of them hahahah
I hope you do get this onw to yield a fair amount though. It has been noted that the original cheese plant is good for hydroponics and when grown hydroponically it doesn't smell. The diesels are good too they have more of a diesel fuel type scent so pretty discrete too.
 
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