1970s' Blue Planet Organic Soil - Smellyberry - Super Lemon Haze - Vanilla Kush

[Twelve12]

1970 You're right. Staying within your plants count will keep you safe. 2L SOG may not give you the yield you need if say you can only grow 10 plants. Better to have 10 big plants vs smaller ones.

2L SOG is mainly growing in hydroponic (passive). For 10 plants limit best to go with 5gal (or bigger) DWC or aeroponic to blow up your plants. They can grow big with hydroponic systems as you have noticed. With proper training (LST/FIM/TOP/SCROG) it can 3x your yield. The only challenge you have is waiting for the plants to veg out and keeping the proper pH and PPM level at all times.

If hydroponics is what you like to try out then grow some plants in a setup, then see how that go before switching to the new system completely. In the mean time check out hydroponic masters like Mr Smith, Stevehman, and Xlr8 journals. Good luck I think it will be fun for you to try new things.

 

[1970s Grower]

How's it going my friend? Why am i even asking when I just seen some monsters in your neck of the woods, so to speak. Hah, well I am back with redemption in my eye so I better see you on my new Journal!

I hope everything settles for you . I know how it is when you need to allocate your time to something. Stressful when it's mandatory. Take care buddy.

Its good that your back in the neighborhood... Hope things are going your way for you.

See ya over at your journal!

 

[1970s Grower]

im feeling the same about going strait to 12-12, ive seen journals where people have only got 3.5g dry bud and ive seen others that have got over an oz, so its hard to judge, just the same as your 2lt hempys, but its all about the veg time really, you can veg as long as you like and the longer you veg the more you get back, but its working out the time schedule, does it work out quicker to veg for longer and get bigger yields or is it quicker to grow a couple more plants with less veg time and less yield but as the turn around time is quicker then does it work out as getting more back say over 12months with more plants less veg, or less plants more veg, i know this would vary by strain but its hard to judge whats best, what im thinking about doing with the seeds ive got soaking, im going to do half at 12-12 from first day in pot and the other ill veg for exactly 2 weeks then i can compare the difference and decide if the 2weeeks is giving me a lot more yield, the reason im doing this is even if you put seeds under 12-12 they wont switch to flower mode until they are sexualy mature enough, so they will be under veg during the 12-12 cycle until their ready to show sex, so it will be good to see if i get the same back or more by giving 2 weeks extra veg, you got me thinking so im going to give it a try.

i have also got to think about the amount of plants i have got, due to the laws where i am, so if i can keep the numbers down and the turn around quick and enough yield to last me till next harvest then ill be happy, i only smoke it in spliffs i dont use bongs or vapes, i enjoy a nice blunt either out walking my dog in the sun and sitting down having a relaxing smoke, or when my kids go to bed and im sitting up with insomnia then ill roll myself a fat one and chill out with the tv till im chilled enough to get a good nights sleep,

i suffer with insomnia and my last couple of years have been really rough so i have trouble switching my mind off at night, i also suffer from restless leg syndrome which gives me leg cramps and i now suffer from good old arthritis due to it, some days it dont bother me, but then others i can barely get up after i have sat down, and im only 31, so its kind of a pain in the ass when i got 2 kids to run round after, but you gota take what life throws at you and if a nice spliff helps me relax and unwind then thats makes me happy and puts all the aches and pains away and gets me a good nights sleep

I am sorry to hear about having such health issues at a young age. I know where you are coming from wanting to run arround and play with the kids. I was in a wheelchair at 19 until they figured out how to treat my type of arthritis. I had my first son at 30, and I very much regret not being able to play the outdoor games a father needs to play. I tried to find other way to spend time with them. I purchased many legos, then models, then computers etc.


One thing I have to ask... what is a spliff? ...and a blunt? I am 55 years old and have been out of the game for 30+ years. I have never heard those terms.

I am glad you are running similar experiments to what I am doing. Hopefully we will both acheive similar results so we can gain definitive knowledge about it.

Great thought my friend. I appreciate it!

 

[1970s Grower]

im gonna chime in in this with my perspective, i recently decided i would try doing all my plants 12/12 from seed, now close to a month in i have some thoughts, i think its good for certain strains, like sativa dominate types, looking at my plants i noticed my indica strains are getting more stretchy than i like, the node spacing is odd to me, i think the 12 hours of dark before they are ready, makes them stretch more, than they would normally, its all theory at this point, but i have decided i will not coutinue this as a rule ,i would switch them back but i fear hermies,from light stress, im going to clone and reveg the clones, cuz i love the look of the blueberry gum, i want a mother of that and the blue cheese, so there are some advantages i see, like flowering clones, i notice that due to lower N levels, they root faster, however it takes them a bit longer to reveg and start growing, but it evens out in the end, and having roots a few days sooner is worth the lower time they spend without roots, at least for me it ends my worry over whether they are gonna take or not, the thing i have learned is its easy to change to flower when you want, but not as easy to go back to veg, theres a lag time i dont like, so i guess im agreeing that veg is good now that i have the tent and light power im gonna do a few big plants im thinking a 2 month veg on a couple clones (the indicas) and see what i can get, hmm i better paste this to my journal, lol with some edits,
so 1970sG sorry bout that,, hows are the ladies doing? im interested in the outcome of your lil' test

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I can confirm your theory on 12/12 too early makes them stretch. Out of 12 Smellyberry clones, 8 were veg'd 2 weeks, 4 were straight 12/12 as soon as they got good solid roots about 4" long in the cloner. The latter 4 are very stretched as did not have the tighter node spacing nor the branching that the veg'd 8 sisters had.

One key point of notice is the garden foot print... The veg'd 2 liters are taking up a 10" x 10" footprint as side branching is more pronounced with heavy bud growth. The n0n-veg'd plants just take a 5" x 5" foot print but are the same height. Smellyberry is Indica dominant. I will get some pics up on Sunday after I feed.

If you are going to veg 2 months under HID you are going to have some massive plants and massive buds. Larger plants seem to have a knife edge happy spot when it comes to nutes but it can be dialed in. I have read this and my limited experience seems to bear this out.

Great thoughts here too..

 

[1970s Grower]

Twelve12... its great to see you more active again after the GF issues.

8-10 buckets of DWC sounds like fun, but its definitely a gamble for me. I like your idea of doing a smaller number of buckets and doing what I know (soil) with the rest of the space.

One thing I have learned with using two grow methods at the same time is that the two methods almost double the feed time. DWC may not be that bad though. Watching DWC and big pot soil of the same strain will be interesting. I have seen youtubes of Super lemon Haze with soil and hydro side by side and the difference in yield and speed is quite pronounced as you can see in this video. There is lots of knowledge shared in this video.

 

[Evo-Rat-93]

very good vid. amazing results and difference.thanks for all your hard work.

 

[donpaul.p]

a spliff is what we call a joint, a blunt is a joint without no backy in it just pure cannabis rolled up and smoked,
where i am we smoke a joint with backy and cannabis in it then roll it up like normal, it makes the cannabis go further, just something we do over here

 

[Aaron Quix]

One thing I have to ask... what is a spliff? ...and a blunt? I am 55 years old and have been out of the game for 30+ years. I have never heard those terms.

A blunt is just a cigar wrapper rolled up full of canabis....They make a plethora of flavored wraps, like grape, cherry, whatever you want really. We used to use plain swisher sweets, slit down the middle and gutted, then re filled with herb. Its a bit of a waste of money in my opinion, as it just sits there and smokes while you hold your hit....Its more for people trying to be cool than an eficient way to medicate. (If anyone out there is offended by what I just said, then, well, go smoke a blunt and see if you feel better about it lol)

anyone who NEEDS to smoke an eighth to feel better, generally wont do it in such a crude way. They will vape, or use edibles and tinctures. Smoking blunts is fun, and nothing more...

 

[1970s Grower]

Oh my.... I never would have guessed that. I am so out of touch. To me it would seem like it would ruin the taste.

I won't knock it though... cuz I havn't tried it.

I won't be mixing tobacco with my smoke. I quit smoking tobacco almost 4 years ago after 35 years of smoking 2 packs a day. I actually fear taking the first puff as I'd surely start up again.

I could see having a blunt when smoking with a group though. Having a large long one that would make the turn more than once would be nice in that situation.

 

[Icemud]

Oh my.... I never would have guessed that. I am so out of touch. To me it would seem like it would ruin the taste.

I won't knock it though... cuz I havn't tried it.

I won't be mixing tobacco with my smoke. I quit smoking tobacco almost 4 years ago after 35 years of smoking 2 packs a day. I actually fear taking the first puff as I'd surely start up again.

I could see having a blunt when smoking with a group though. Having a large long one that would make the turn more than once would be nice in that situation.

Great to hear that you quit tobacco... how did you do it? I am looking to do the same but have not had success with just quitting cold turkey, any suggestions?

 

[1970s Grower]

Great to hear that you quit tobacco... how did you do it? I am looking to do the same but have not had success with just quitting cold turkey, any suggestions?

I took a 3 prong approach...

1. Chantix - The quit smoking pill - be prepared for wierd dreams- not nightmares or anything but just wierd stupid stuff.
   
2. List all your reasons for quitting on an index card. Be breif. Keep the card where you keep your cigarettes. (this one was huge for me) It help me treat cigarettes like the paper tiger it realy is. When you want a cig, take the index cad out and hold it in your right hand. Read it if necessary, bite it if necessary. Take 2 very deep breaths. Put it back where you used to keep cigarettes. You will find that the urge leaves you quickly if you can train your head to think about something else quickly. The index card with the two deep breaths (draws) cleans your head.
   
3. Make sure spouse is up for the challenge. You will be irritable in the short term.

I used to worry that I could never quit. The worry alone made my health worse. Its so good to feel free of the curse that I thought would never leave.

I ALWAYS have something close for my hands... A pepsi, coffee, a mint or whatever. You don't have to consume it, just have it close to you so you can fill your hands quickly if needed. The paper tiger runs away.

I'd be happy to help you along the way.

 

[1970s Grower]

There are at least 100 reasons to quit....

I'll start...

1. Money... Butts aren't cheap. add it up over 1 year. Now what do you want to spend it on?
2. I only vacuum my car once ever few months now. I used to do it every week.
3. I don't have to be concerned about being in a place that I can't smoke or looking for an exit. Doesn't matter now.

 

[jameswri85]

4. not constantly smelling
5. not worrying about 2nd hand smoke to loved ones
6. Health.. I can climb a flight of stairs without wheezing!

 

[donpaul.p]

i aint been smoking cigs for long, been smoking cannabis since i was young, but only been smoking cigarettes about 6 years, and i must admit i was a lot fitter before, i only smoke 10 a day, but where i am it costs £4.45 for 10, now basing the exchange rate at roughly £1=$2 that works out to $8.90, for 10 cigs, so as you can see its getting very expensive over here, so i gota quit, i just cant afford it, and dont get me started on the price of petrol, its a joke over here, well now im started i may as well tell you the price its £1.49 per litre, not gallon, per litre, now thats a joke, now convert that to dollars and work out how much you pay for a litre which i doubt is anywhere near that much, and if it is i certainly feel how the costs really do affect the average person

 

[Truth Seeker]

My daughter actually got RSV from me smelling like cigarettes... I am not sure if it was exactly due to it, but the doctors were saying it has something to do with it. So I quite that day.

 

[CronicHempHog]

My daughter actually got RSV from me smelling like cigarettes... I am not sure if it was exactly due to it, but the doctors were saying it has something to do with it. So I quite that day.

theres such a thing as third hand smoke
your child doesnt actually have to be around you smoking
its the nicotine residue that sticks on everything where you smoke including your clothes.
im trying to quit cigs myself but without pills its a chore im down to like 5-7 sticks a day atm, i keep telling myself once i can stick to 5 for a few days ill go cold turkey, it should work cause i leave the house and do things sometimes for hrs as long i keep busy i dont think about it, till i smell someone smoking lol, but if i dont have it with me i just ignore it and keep doing whatever im doing.

the best reason to quit smoking
i dont wanna die early and have all sorts of health issues
for me ill probably end up with some anyway i been smoking for alot of yrs but thats no excuse im not a young kid anymore but i do still have one young child so i wanna be around to see him grow up, enjoy the grandchildren etc...

 

[Aaron Quix]

I tried to rep you, 70's, both for quitting yourself, and also for offering guidance to those who are tring to quit. I quit 3 weeks ago, after 20 years of smoking. I have taken up chewing tobbacco, which wont be nearly as hard to quit as the cigs were (are) I'm learning to train by mind, to battle the cravings and change my way of thinking...Not easy, but its working.
I started with breaking these habbits...

1. After meals (every meal)
2. Everytime I get in the car
3. When something stressful happens
4. Before bed
5. because its 2:37 p.m. and I'm bored....

I've found that if one can manage to break the biggest habbits that go along with the cravings, the cravings will start to die...
I already don't think about smoking when I get in the car, and at 2:37, lol....
Its only occasionaly after meals, and stressful times that I still get the real bad cravings, and they aren't even that bad anymore; Its getting easier by the day.
I tend to only chew 2-4 times a day, and the amount, and frequency is not increasing. This gives me hope that quitting the chew should be fairly easy...Also, I haven't done it for 20 years, and its not a very pleasurable way to pass time.

Anyway, I just got a little excited when I saw discussion of something I am dealing with, and doing well at I may add...
Heres sending all of you quitters good vibes for the strength needed to beat it, good luck all!!

 

[Icemud]

Hey everyone, I very much appreciate all the advice and help how to quit the evil tobacco! I have been working on cutting my "need" for them and when I want a cig, I light it, take 2-3 drags and put it out. So far I have reduced my pack a day down to a 1/2 a pack a day, and I am going to try some of the techniques listed and see if I can reduce it down to none. I really like the Notecard Idea, listing the reasons why, and putting it with your cig box, I definitely am going to try that one too Thanks everyone and wish me strenght, I am going to try really hard this next week and see if I can reduce the 1/2 pack daily down to just 1 or 2... and then none

 

[CronicHempHog]

Hey everyone, I very much appreciate all the advice and help how to quit the evil tobacco! I have been working on cutting my "need" for them and when I want a cig, I light it, take 2-3 drags and put it out. So far I have reduced my pack a day down to a 1/2 a pack a day, and I am going to try some of the techniques listed and see if I can reduce it down to none. I really like the Notecard Idea, listing the reasons why, and putting it with your cig box, I definitely am going to try that one too Thanks everyone and wish me strenght, I am going to try really hard this next week and see if I can reduce the 1/2 pack daily down to just 1 or 2... and then none

oh yes i wish u and me luck we need to quit the evil tobacco
help them make more money to kill more people and the bad thing is they target our youth they need more new smokers to fill in the gaps of those they already killed or made quit because of the harm it does.
i do the same thing too take a few drags peel light it again later lol
actually one of the reasons im not really herbing now besides being able to pass a drug test, for me the 2 are associated since i was young.
growing is actually for my dads meds if not id just be buying mine....

 

[1970s Grower]

I tried to rep you, 70's, both for quitting yourself, and also for offering guidance to those who are tring to quit. I quit 3 weeks ago, after 20 years of smoking. I have taken up chewing tobbacco, which wont be nearly as hard to quit as the cigs were (are) I'm learning to train by mind, to battle the cravings and change my way of thinking...Not easy, but its working.
I started with breaking these habbits...

1. After meals (every meal)
2. Everytime I get in the car
3. When something stressful happens
4. Before bed
5. because its 2:37 p.m. and I'm bored....

I've found that if one can manage to break the biggest habbits that go along with the cravings, the cravings will start to die...
I already don't think about smoking when I get in the car, and at 2:37, lol....
Its only occasionaly after meals, and stressful times that I still get the real bad cravings, and they aren't even that bad anymore; Its getting easier by the day.
I tend to only chew 2-4 times a day, and the amount, and frequency is not increasing. This gives me hope that quitting the chew should be fairly easy...Also, I haven't done it for 20 years, and its not a very pleasurable way to pass time.

Anyway, I just got a little excited when I saw discussion of something I am dealing with, and doing well at I may add...
Heres sending all of you quitters good vibes for the strength needed to beat it, good luck all!!

Great job identifying the hair triggers. You are on your way. Keep stacking the deck in your favor. Ween yourself off the chew slowly by taking a little less "tween your cheek and gum" each day. It worked well for me anyway.