180W Super Lemon Haze Grow - Lots of Pics!

vipers said:
Someone should do a test grow with GLH vs. HGL LED's. Now that would be priceless. .V.
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Qazz said:
Only thing I need to make sure that GLH is the best is the comparison between GLH and HGL as vipers mentioned. :;):

Even though this is best Led grown plant I have ever seen. :thumb:
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Thats what I'm talkin about! Sign my ass up! We already got 2 people that wanna see right here, and I know of a lot more.
 
Sorry to disappoint you guys!

Mike already told me he isnt giving out any more free lights. he already gave me, pitvipe, SS, Irie, some. to show what his lights can do, and thats it!

PitViper and I will do the regular grows where we dont have to worry about keeping it fair, and SS and IRIE will do the Led vs HID where they have to keep it fair.

I dont get why everyone want to see Led vs Led when we should be after the king HPS. we haven't seen leds out yield hps yet in a side by side. but we have seen plenty of led vs led and it shows us nothing but what led light is better, but who cares? wouldn't you rather see led go against the unmatched king of the grow room? HID! know if our hard earn money is going to a good cause? I no i do! then if any led company's beat HID then they can go up against each other a duke it out! i feel they need to earn their title fight 1st.

i mean we already did a test against HGL and the Jumbo 180w 2x's and what did that show us? the HGL won in both test? Um OK! well it still dosent help me know if either light is better then hps. so what good did those test really do for us? it certainly didn't tell us if leds were coast effective against HID.

I for one would like to see all the led company's that are sponsors by 420mag go head to head and all go up against a HID light of equal watts! Now that would be a side x side that would make History! screw one led light vs one led light BS! Test them all out in one big grow and get all the answers in one shot! no that would be History and be the real test!

Mike told me if their ever is a led vs led then 420mag would be doing the grow since they keep things 100% none bias and sponsor the best side x sides around. just like how SS had the best side X side i have ever seen with an led. plus they will already have a light that mike donated so its killing 2 birds with 1 stone.

but as of now all i know about is Led vs HID. it was a while ago when i talked to him about this though so i dont know if anything changed.
 
Hey I wasnt looking for a free panel! I want to do the grow to find out for myself which is the better light. I have been on the phone with both companies and of course both companies swear that their light is "the shit" and will smash the others LED...

Obviously people would want to see the two top led manufacturers square off. Since everyone cant run a HID like we all know cuz of one reason or another. So I believe that its very important to show what his light is capable of against the other LED company that has proven to be GLH biggest competitor in HGL. I have talked with Mike and yes he has said several times he isnt giving away any more panels, and each time I hear that another panel gets sent out, lol.....

I heard long ago of this mass LED competition, but seriously.... We all know its not gonna happen! Who in their right mind goes against someone they will lose against, right?!?! Well I am sure a lot of sponsors simply arent willing to do it cuz they dont want people to find out the truth and just hope that their gimmick in advertising will work. Obviously not putting GLH in this category, since his lights have proven themselves thus far! But yeah, we'll probably never get to see that LED grow off with all the competitors, as I know both companies in GLH and HGL have told me personally they are both down.

As for doing a biased/unbiased grow, who would seriously sit back do a grow for 3 months and f@ck themselves on yield in order to skew results for another company? I know for one I am never lookin to waste my time like that. I am always tryin' to maximize my grow/space/light/enviroment.

So yeah, I look forward to Mikes response now... Thanks for taking the time out to reply for him though Irish.
 
Who ever spends their own cash and dose this (side x side of the two TOP LED lights) IMO needs to be a well known neutral grower. If not it will just look like the results are favoring one LED company or another.. And just like Irish said, Nothing will be accomplished from this.. So I think it can be done and of course I do think people will want to see it...BUT BY WHO? that's the question.....

The general public needs to know who ever is doing the test is in no way affiliated with ether of LED companies.... I think that's the only way it would not end up being a locked tread...LOL
 
I at one point owned 4 different company's units, whereas now I only own three. The top performer at this point is the 345W from HGL...

Irish, I know you think LED vs LED is a waste, but have we ruled out the best product at this point? I realize your grow went well, but the power had a lot to do with it. If mike would ever get into contact with me I would run one of his 300W panels vs the hydro-grow 345W panel. I think that would be a fair test.

I would like to see the readouts from light meters as well as far as micromoles per square area per second. These readings seem the most accurate in my opinion, and from a scientific standpoint.

The only concern I have about Mike's panels is that I believe they are over-driven...which concerns me about the life and longevity of the product.

Tests can be done by whoever, and whenever, with whatever, and there will still be people saying this is the best or that is the best. It's basically a waste of time for everybody. To find out for certain, each grower must perform their own test with their own skills, their own regimes, etc. otherwise...it simply doesn't tell us shit.

All of us here could take the same strain, even a clone from the same mom, and the chances of us all growing different amounts, different shapes, etc. are very high. We all do things differently and it is a matter of what works best for you. To hell with what company is better, they all grow dank, because I have used most of the top brands out there. including HGL, Lumigrow, Prosource, and GLH. They all crank out the nugs...every one of them. Equally proportionate to the wattage of the unit.

I am on the verge of buying anohter 345W unit from Hydro-grow because that light pounds it down! And you all know me...I am not biased towards one company or another...we all have the same end results in mind...dank...

This could go on for days...can't wait for the HID tests...but I am testing company vs company in my own world....only that will tell me what works best for me!

Savvy??

Peace dudes...and mike...Maybe be a little more active in here, lots of people interested, but seemingly no way to contact?

-Go
 
go green said:
I at one point owned 4 different company's units, whereas now I only own three. The top performer at this point is the 345W from HGL...

Irish, I know you think LED vs LED is a waste, but have we ruled out the best product at this point? I realize your grow went well, but the power had a lot to do with it. If mike would ever get into contact with me I would run one of his 300W panels vs the hydro-grow 345W panel. I think that would be a fair test.

I would like to see the readouts from light meters as well as far as micromoles per square area per second. These readings seem the most accurate in my opinion, and from a scientific standpoint.

The only concern I have about Mike's panels is that I believe they are over-driven...which concerns me about the life and longevity of the product.

Tests can be done by whoever, and whenever, with whatever, and there will still be people saying this is the best or that is the best. It's basically a waste of time for everybody. To find out for certain, each grower must perform their own test with their own skills, their own regimes, etc. otherwise...it simply doesn't tell us shit.

All of us here could take the same strain, even a clone from the same mom, and the chances of us all growing different amounts, different shapes, etc. are very high. We all do things differently and it is a matter of what works best for you. To hell with what company is better, they all grow dank, because I have used most of the top brands out there. including HGL, Lumigrow, Prosource, and GLH. They all crank out the nugs...every one of them. Equally proportionate to the wattage of the unit.

I am on the verge of buying anohter 345W unit from Hydro-grow because that light pounds it down! And you all know me...I am not biased towards one company or another...we all have the same end results in mind...dank...

This could go on for days...can't wait for the HID tests...but I am testing company vs company in my own world....only that will tell me what works best for me!

Savvy??

Peace dudes...and mike...Maybe be a little more active in here, lots of people interested, but seemingly no way to contact?

-Go
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Wonderful post GoG! +reps
 
wizewizo said:
Hey I wasnt looking for a free panel! I want to do the grow to find out for myself which is the better light. I have been on the phone with both companies and of course both companies swear that their light is "the shit" and will smash the others LED...

Obviously people would want to see the two top led manufacturers square off. Since everyone cant run a HID like we all know cuz of one reason or another. So I believe that its very important to show what his light is capable of against the other LED company that has proven to be GLH biggest competitor in HGL. I have talked with Mike and yes he has said several times he isnt giving away any more panels, and each time I hear that another panel gets sent out, lol.....

I heard long ago of this mass LED competition, but seriously.... We all know its not gonna happen! Who in their right mind goes against someone they will lose against, right?!?! Well I am sure a lot of sponsors simply arent willing to do it cuz they dont want people to find out the truth and just hope that their gimmick in advertising will work. Obviously not putting GLH in this category, since his lights have proven themselves thus far! But yeah, we'll probably never get to see that LED grow off with all the competitors, as I know both companies in GLH and HGL have told me personally they are both down.

As for doing a biased/unbiased grow, who would seriously sit back do a grow for 3 months and f@ck themselves on yield in order to skew results for another company? I know for one I am never lookin to waste my time like that. I am always tryin' to maximize my grow/space/light/enviroment.

So yeah, I look forward to Mikes response now... Thanks for taking the time out to reply for him though Irish.
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Qazz said:
That SLH looks so amazing! :yahoo:

Only thing I need to make sure that GLH is the best is the comparison between GLH and HGL as vipers mentioned. :;):

Even though this is best Led grown plant I have ever seen. :thumb:
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vipers said:
My first thought was... how the hell is he gonna dry that monster or cure it! Guess one could have worse problems. LOL How many weeks does it take to finish this strain?
Someone should do a test grow with GLH vs. HGL LED's. Now that would be priceless. .V.
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Enough with the HGL talk already - use your heads!

If you do a little research you will see that HGL is not worthy. Cammie has been shown to grossly misrepresent the truth on many occaisons. Cammie's antics on her hydrogrowled forums on another site are comical: it's always the same. Lots of hype from Cammie's selected growers, someone refutes the outlandish claims, much mean spirited drama ensues, dissenter is banned, lots of hype again...

If that is the kind of company you want to get behind I have 3 gently used HGL lights I will let go very reasonably. Before you jump at this, remember that LedGirl's products under-performed for me - the spectral makeup of her vaunted "Light Engine" is borked. Too much white, missing some PAR levels, under powered (the 126w light only emits 115w, LEDGirl includes the draw of the fans in the wattage rating).

Remember this is the person who was found to have a HID light hanging in the very crowded LED tent. Maybe Cammie was using that to take pictures? :ganjamon:
 
slimm said:
Enough with the HGL talk already - use your heads!

If you do a little research you will see that HGL is not worthy. Cammie has been shown to grossly misrepresent the truth on many occaisons. Cammie's antics on her hydrogrowled forums on another site are comical: it's always the same. Lots of hype from Cammie's selected growers, someone refutes the outlandish claims, much mean spirited drama ensues, dissenter is banned, lots of hype again...

If that is the kind of company you want to get behind I have 3 gently used HGL lights I will let go very reasonably. Before you jump at this, remember that LedGirl's products under-performed for me - the spectral makeup of her vaunted "Light Engine" is borked. Too much white, missing some PAR levels, under powered (the 126w light only emits 115w, LEDGirl includes the draw of the fans in the wattage rating).

Remember this is the person who was found to have a HID light hanging in the very crowded LED tent. Maybe Cammie was using that to take pictures? :ganjamon:
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I have never once condoned any of these LED manufacturers claims or even believed them for that matter, after all they are trying to make a buck, right?

But I'll be damned if I'm going to cheat myself on what might be the best LED out there cuz of someones attitude. I despise Wal-Mart as well, but damn if I cant help strollin in there from time to time to save a few cents....
 
go green said:
I would run one of his 300W panels vs the hydro-grow 345W panel. I think that would be a fair test.
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I would like to see this test also.. Even though the HGL 345w unit cost $150 more, I think this would be a great test for LED vs LED.. I think we would get some of our 1w vs 3w questions answered but not all..

go Green go
 
wizewizo said:
Hey I wasnt looking for a free panel! I want to do the grow to find out for myself which is the better light. I have been on the phone with both companies and of course both companies swear that their light is "the shit" and will smash the others LED...
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well if you do want a free panel they buy one and do the test, why say "sing me up" just buy a light and do it, you dont need mikes permission to do a side x side.

Obviously people would want to see the two top led manufacturers square off. Since everyone cant run a HID like we all know cuz of one reason or another. So I believe that its very important to show what his light is capable of against the other LED company that has proven to be GLH biggest competitor in HGL. I have talked with Mike and yes he has said several times he isnt giving away any more panels, and each time I hear that another panel gets sent out, lol.....
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you have to understand its advertising for him. whoever has the biggest threads and bigger fan base. like Pitvipers huge thread, and SS member of the month and IRIE 420mag mod.

I heard long ago of this mass LED competition, but seriously.... We all know its not gonna happen! Who in their right mind goes against someone they will lose against, right?!?! Well I am sure a lot of sponsors simply arent willing to do it cuz they dont want people to find out the truth and just hope that their gimmick in advertising will work. Obviously not putting GLH in this category, since his lights have proven themselves thus far! But yeah, we'll probably never get to see that LED grow off with all the competitors, as I know both companies in GLH and HGL have told me personally they are both down.
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I never heard of a mass led grow, i was just saying that would be what i would like to see. but i also know this wont happen. but would be cool.

As for doing a biased/unbiased grow, who would seriously sit back do a grow for 3 months and f@ck themselves on yield in order to skew results for another company? I know for one I am never lookin to waste my time like that. I am always tryin' to maximize my grow/space/light/enviroment.
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dosent mean you have to fu*k your yield, just me you have to screw the other company, buy just saying the other yielded more when it didnt
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So yeah, I look forward to Mikes response now...
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again why do you need his permission? why cant you just go on his web site and order a light and do a test?

Thanks for taking the time out to reply for him though Irish.
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IT WAS MY PLEASURE TO SHARE THE INFO I HAD BEEN TOLD & AND MY THOUGHTS. :thumb:
 
wizewizo said:
I have never once condoned any of these LED manufacturers claims or even believed them for that matter, after all they are trying to make a buck, right?

But I'll be damned if I'm going to cheat myself on what might be the best LED out there cuz of someones attitude. I despise Wal-Mart as well, but damn if I cant help strollin in there from time to time to save a few cents....
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Definitely want to watch your comparison grow.
 
irishboy said:
well if you do want a free panel they buy one and do the test, why say "sing me up" just buy a light and do it, you dont need mikes permission to do a side x side.
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The "sign me up" yer referring to is simply me stating that I want to do it. I already offered to purchase a light from Mike at a discount price (I'mma poor boy) But I did offer to donate [snip - sorry] in order to cover the cost of the panel.

irishboy said:
you have to understand its advertising for him. whoever has the biggest threads and bigger fan base. like Pitvipers huge thread, and SS member of the month and IRIE 420mag mod.
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Absolutely understand this, and I enjoy sittin back and watchin their grows for sure!



irishboy said:
again why do you need his permission? why cant you just go on his web site and order a light and do a test?
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Don't need permission from him/you or anyone else. I am waiting for MIKE to respond. Thanks again for takin your time though. Mike had offered his light at a discount and you cant just get that price right off the website...

irishboy said:
IT WAS MY PLEASURE TO SHARE THE INFO I HAD BEEN TOLD & AND MY THOUGHTS. :thumb:
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YOU ROCK, NOT MUCH ELSE I CAN SAY!!
 
wow you guys.. come on seriously?

I would LOVE to do a side by side.

hit up SS and if he agrees to run my 360w panel with Cammie's 345w panel and we can both go up against the 400w hps.

Im down.

You know originally I asked irish to do a side by side when i very first contacted him and Cammie said no because I wasn't a 'worthy opponent'.

Well I guess I am now.

I will only trust a serious professional grower with respect on the boards to do this. I have been trying to get 420mag to do a full blown test with 4 to 5 manufacturers and have all of us go up against a hps but that hasnt happened yet.

So SS if you can fit one more tent and would like to do this let me know and hit up Cammie.
 
Nice! The LED gauntlet has been thrown down! THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! HA! Many will compete. One will emerge. I can do this all day! I'm excited! Can't wait!
 
Loving the results here Mike! I was cautiously skeptical at the beginning, but I have really come to respect both your attitude, technology and plant.

:nicethread:

You honestly have me thinking towards a panel!
 
GrowLEDHydro said:
wow you guys.. come on seriously?

I would LOVE to do a side by side.

hit up SS and if he agrees to run my 360w panel with Cammie's 345w panel and we can both go up against the 400w hps.

Im down.

You know originally I asked irish to do a side by side when i very first contacted him and Cammie said no because I wasn't a 'worthy opponent'.

Well I guess I am now.

I will only trust a serious professional grower with respect on the boards to do this. I have been trying to get 420mag to do a full blown test with 4 to 5 manufacturers and have all of us go up against a hps but that hasnt happened yet.

So SS if you can fit one more tent and would like to do this let me know and hit up Cammie.
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This is true Mike asked me and i asked Cammie and she said his lights were junk and not worthy to go up against her lights. that he needed to beat the 180w jumbo ufo company 1st. then she would think about it.

I for one would love to see SS do a side by side with GHL, HGL and HID. i really trust his grows and he keeps things as detail and professional as can be. but thats only if he wants to?
 
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