Xlr8's Quest For The Best - 2012

[growrook]

hey Xlr8 great journal so far lot of good info like usually. I supper cropped my outdoor plants this year to keep the from looking over the fence, and I found that the top that i supper cropped got really fat, it gave the top a boost in growth i was happy. after I supper cropped, a few of the tops fell right down, I didnt like that so i tied them at 180 degrees and let them grow from there. that was with a indica dom strain stubbed + reps

 

[Xlr8]

Hi Xlr8

My view on super-cropping. If done right..with out a snapped stem....It doesn't change anything as for as growth of the other parts of the plant. Once snapped, it has to effect the rest of the plant. Simplistic I know, but it is sound thinking.

Thanks for weighing in with your thoughts OMM.
I agree that the snap must cause some different behavior in the plant as it will need to heal itself as a result. I think the biggest changes happen once the terminal end is lowered below the rest of the canopy, and even the rest of the budsites on the same branch itself.

It's thought that when done in veg, sometimes the plant can even improve itself upon healing to an extent, resulting in larger colas on branches where super-cropped. OG Kush is supposedly famous for this sort of behavior - but I'm not sure how that correlates to a plant 3 weeks into bloom and whether the same sort of results/behavior can be expected...

 

[Xlr8]

Now... to STABILIZE it! that's the *FUN part* lemme tell ya!

Okay, that was the branch that grew twice as long as the others. I bent it over, and it did get a longitudinal split but it healed in 8 days and got thick as hell. There's no way it will bend back up, now. Those two main green arrow colas were on either side of that bend, the others along the slanted red arrow down would have been above those two main colas, and were much smaller than the nug at the end. That whole stem, had I TOP/FIM'd it would have had a little less growth when I did it because of being in flower when I supercropped. That stem, I don't know if you can tell it from this pic is about 18" long, if straightened, and those two main colas are about 8"-10" tall. Notice how the secondary nugs along the nearly horizontal part also got taller as they developed? The auxins that would have normally been in the terminal end got redistributed to everything above the end once it was bent over, and tied down. It took TWO FRIKKIN ATTEMPTS to get it to stay that way, and still I had to tie it down because it wanted to stand up!

I've snapped, split, crushed, bent, and otherwise mangled branches/stems while supercropping, and only lost 1... Kinda makes me smile when I see how resilient this plant really is. And everyone is worried to the point of paranoia about stressing it. PSH!! It takes a LOT to make these plants show real signs of stress, or even hermie, in my experience.

Hi Jandre -

As far as stabilizing, it'll be a while before I could take on a project like that I think. For now, with my limited space, it's fun to create interesting F1 crosses that I can play around with. I'd like to take on projects like that eventually, though.

I appreciate the further detail and filling in the gaps for me on that. I'm with you on the stressing part - persistant light leaks are one stress that can be an exception to that rule, specifically with certain strains that have dormant hermie tendencies in them. Chemdawg related strains can be dicey and have hermie genes in them, so I need to be careful when it comes to light leaks especially (3 out of my 4 flowering plants have Chemdawg ancestry).

Thanks again!

 

[Xlr8]

Like Jandre just said, it takes a lot to stress this plant. I feel that keeping an even canopy gets you the best yield total. There's some give and take plant by plant, but the total is the greatest if all the plants get even light. I plant 1 foot taller than the rest will mess up your yield....

Hi OG -

My thoughts exactly, which is why I just went ahead and did it. My goal is always to keep the canopy as even as possible for that reason.

Mostly I was interested in greater understanding of super-cropping in bloom expectations - beyond the even canopy. For example, does the "improved pathways" theory that persists about supercropping in veg apply to plants supercropped 3 weeks into bloom?

It's often said that OG Kush yields much better when super-cropped. Even Reserva Privada suggests this as a technique to improve yield - but at what point is it too late to see those supposed benefits? Just trying to get some better overall understanding as bloom phase super-cropping is new to me.

From Reserva Privada:

"Reserva Privada OG Kush is a must have for anyone who only accepts the best, we cannot state this enough, True connoisseur quality. NOW the legends of legends is finally in cannabis seed form. The OG Kush was formally a clone only strain. She stretches a little in veg but seems to fill herself out in flower. OG Kush has compact tight crystal covered buds. Flowering indoors can take between 8-9 weeks. You can get a good yield from if you supercrop her while she’s growing usually 400-500g/m2. THIS IS A MUST HAVE"


Thanks OG - I appreciate you weighing in, and welcome any other thoughts/experiencs on this.

 

[Xlr8]

hey Xlr8 great journal so far lot of good info like usually. I supper cropped my outdoor plants this year to keep the from looking over the fence, and I found that the top that i supper cropped got really fat, it gave the top a boost in growth i was happy. after I supper cropped, a few of the tops fell right down, I didnt like that so i tied them at 180 degrees and let them grow from there. that was with a indica dom strain stubbed + reps

Hi Growrook -

Thanks for your insight brother, much appreciated! I look at mine closer, and they aren't so much split as much as they are creased/pinched good where the bend is. I've thought about relieving the pinch a little by tying them up some, but they are staying at 180 like you mentioned and don't seem to be suffering any ill effects as a result. Great to hear that you got some bigger tops when you did it - that gets to the heart of one of my questions.

Curious, what stage/age were they when you did that - were you in bloom yet, or was this still while they were vegging? If in bloom, how far along were you?
Thanks again for your insight and sharing your outcome!

 

[sqwheels]

Hi X,

It was my pleasure to rate your thread 5 stars...it's definitely worthy.

I missed just 2 days and was like 5 pages behind...your getting as hard to keep up with as OMM.

Thanks for all the info on your feeding schedule...ya, I knew all about the ppm vs ec, and the fact that meters use different measurements to calculate the ppms. I/we went thru all this in one of my previous journals (more than once)...I still have a couple ???'s on this subject but it has more to do with the out #'s. I'm feeding real close to what you are...that info is helpful. my out/waste #'s are really high...almost 1300-1400...nearly 3 ec ??? any thoughts on this? Is it because I use perl/verm mix, maybe? Do you check your used res #'s just before a change? A little curious what those are...if you know.

I love the info in posts #108 and #120...on ppm/ec/cf yada yada...and the fact that they make it so hard to understand. Confusing on purpose it seems. Gonna try to copy and blog some of this info from you. You don't care, right?

Here's what that split looks like today...it's really weird, you can almost look down inside that split. I taped her the day I did this with electrical tape (that's all I could find at the moment) it held, but only for a little while. She seems to have dealt with it in her own way. As you can see both sides have produced strong thick branchs...first view from the side, level with the pot

these next two from the top

I tried to get one from the opposite side but the growth is too tight...I couldn't get my camera in there...sorry, Hope this helps

I know all about having to cull your garden...I gave away 5 plants 2 months ago for that very reason...no space. Still...it's a real shame about the PE...but you have the mom's so you can try again another time, I promise you won't be disappointed. But how is it you know you have two different phenos? There were 8 or so seeds...regular, according to the original donor. I'm confused (I'll pm you).

Ya, not quite so busy now that racing season is over...home on the weekends now, and seem to have a little more evening...probably because it's dark so early now. I've been able to catch up on a few of my subbed journals...but I have so many, I mostly just lurk in the back row...taking notes.

Very nice photo update btw. I love it when they start to frost...they just glisten with sugar, sooo

About the super cropping...I don't have the experience of most here, but when I bend I try not to actually "kink" the stem. I water, and wait for about 45 min and then roll the stem in between my finger to soften it a little and then just bend it, I go around the plant doing this to all the spots I think need it and then re-do it...I go around the plant again and re-bend all those same spots, each time carefully rolling the stem to make it comply. Sometimes I have to do the same branch (spot) a few days in a row to make it stay. I even weight it with hanging washers. It creates a knot (kinda) in the branch but it doesn't seem to have any effects on the growth. I don't have any photos to show this ...sorry. Can't say when I actually stop bending...probably just shortly before harvest, but I never gave it much thought. Just continuously trying to keep the canopy even with the bonsai style growing

Keep up the great work X...we all learn from journals like yours.



Sq

 

[Vapedogg223]

I'm with Sqwheels...thought it was an OMM journal for a min! I subed a few days back...but didn't have time to post...I come back and missed like 8 pages!

Oh well...I'll be catching up...

 

[Cultivator]

Hi X,

It was my pleasure to rate your thread 5 stars...it's definitely worthy.

I missed just 2 days and was like 5 pages behind...your getting as hard to keep up with as OMM.

Thanks for all the info on your feeding schedule...ya, I knew all about the ppm vs ec, and the fact that meters use different measurements to calculate the ppms. I/we went thru all this in one of my previous journals (more than once)...I still have a couple ???'s on this subject but it has more to do with the out #'s. I'm feeding real close to what you are...that info is helpful. my out/waste #'s are really high...almost 1300-1400...nearly 3 ec ??? any thoughts on this? Is it because I use perl/verm mix, maybe? Do you check your used res #'s just before a change? A little curious what those are...if you know.

I love the info in posts #108 and #120...on ppm/ec/cf yada yada...and the fact that they make it so hard to understand. Confusing on purpose it seems. Gonna try to copy and blog some of this info from you. You don't care, right?

Here's what that split looks like today...it's really weird, you can almost look down inside that split. I taped her the day I did this with electrical tape (that's all I could find at the moment) it held, but only for a little while. She seems to have dealt with it in her own way. As you can see both sides have produced strong thick branchs...first view from the side, level with the pot

these next two from the top

I tried to get one from the opposite side but the growth is too tight...I couldn't get my camera in there...sorry, Hope this helps

I know all about having to cull your garden...I gave away 5 plants 2 months ago for that very reason...no space. Still...it's a real shame about the PE...but you have the mom's so you can try again another time, I promise you won't be disappointed. But how is it you know you have two different phenos? There were 8 or so seeds...regular, according to the original donor. I'm confused (I'll pm you).

Ya, not quite so busy now that racing season is over...home on the weekends now, and seem to have a little more evening...probably because it's dark so early now. I've been able to catch up on a few of my subbed journals...but I have so many, I mostly just lurk in the back row...taking notes.

Very nice photo update btw. I love it when they start to frost...they just glisten with sugar, sooo

About the super cropping...I don't have the experience of most here, but when I bend I try not to actually "kink" the stem. I water, and wait for about 45 min and then roll the stem in between my finger to soften it a little and then just bend it, I go around the plant doing this to all the spots I think need it and then re-do it...I go around the plant again and re-bend all those same spots, each time carefully rolling the stem to make it comply. Sometimes I have to do the same branch (spot) a few days in a row to make it stay. I even weight it with hanging washers. It creates a knot (kinda) in the branch but it doesn't seem to have any effects on the growth. I don't have any photos to show this ...sorry. Can't say when I actually stop bending...probably just shortly before harvest, but I never gave it much thought. Just continuously trying to keep the canopy even with the bonsai style growing

Keep up the great work X...we all learn from journals like yours.



Sq

Hi

I have done this more than once when topping or training and i find the plant will fix itself so long as it isnt extremely damaged. i tend to have these things happen on my older mothers which are very woody and more difficult manouver. I constantly split them but wen i do i just add the magic ingredient (superthrive) and that helps with the stress alot.

 

[Xlr8]

Hi X,

It was my pleasure to rate your thread 5 stars...it's definitely worthy.

I missed just 2 days and was like 5 pages behind...your getting as hard to keep up with as OMM.

Thanks for all the info on your feeding schedule...ya, I knew all about the ppm vs ec, and the fact that meters use different measurements to calculate the ppms. I/we went thru all this in one of my previous journals (more than once)...I still have a couple ???'s on this subject but it has more to do with the out #'s. I'm feeding real close to what you are...that info is helpful. my out/waste #'s are really high...almost 1300-1400...nearly 3 ec ??? any thoughts on this? Is it because I use perl/verm mix, maybe? Do you check your used res #'s just before a change? A little curious what those are...if you know.

I love the info in posts #108 and #120...on ppm/ec/cf yada yada...and the fact that they make it so hard to understand. Confusing on purpose it seems. Gonna try to copy and blog some of this info from you. You don't care, right?

Here's what that split looks like today...it's really weird, you can almost look down inside that split. I taped her the day I did this with electrical tape (that's all I could find at the moment) it held, but only for a little while. She seems to have dealt with it in her own way. As you can see both sides have produced strong thick branchs...first view from the side, level with the pot

I tried to get one from the opposite side but the growth is too tight...I couldn't get my camera in there...sorry, Hope this helps

I know all about having to cull your garden...I gave away 5 plants 2 months ago for that very reason...no space. Still...it's a real shame about the PE...but you have the mom's so you can try again another time, I promise you won't be disappointed. But how is it you know you have two different phenos? There were 8 or so seeds...regular, according to the original donor. I'm confused (I'll pm you).

Ya, not quite so busy now that racing season is over...home on the weekends now, and seem to have a little more evening...probably because it's dark so early now. I've been able to catch up on a few of my subbed journals...but I have so many, I mostly just lurk in the back row...taking notes.

Very nice photo update btw. I love it when they start to frost...they just glisten with sugar, sooo

About the super cropping...I don't have the experience of most here, but when I bend I try not to actually "kink" the stem. I water, and wait for about 45 min and then roll the stem in between my finger to soften it a little and then just bend it, I go around the plant doing this to all the spots I think need it and then re-do it...I go around the plant again and re-bend all those same spots, each time carefully rolling the stem to make it comply. Sometimes I have to do the same branch (spot) a few days in a row to make it stay. I even weight it with hanging washers. It creates a knot (kinda) in the branch but it doesn't seem to have any effects on the growth. I don't have any photos to show this ...sorry. Can't say when I actually stop bending...probably just shortly before harvest, but I never gave it much thought. Just continuously trying to keep the canopy even with the bonsai style growing

Keep up the great work X...we all learn from journals like yours.



Sq

Hi Sqwheels!

Great pics! Thanks for taking the time to share those pictures with me. It looks like the split healed very nicely for you. So far, I've left mine alone and it seems to be doing just fine, so I'll probably just keep a close eye on it. But, I like your idea of taping it - that's what I did in the last round on a slightly smaller branch that split. I'll have to ponder whether to tape it or leave it a bit more... I love how you can almost see right into it like you said. Makes me feel good to see how well yours healed - hopefully mine continues to heal fine too.

Oh, and you are more than welcome to blog anything from my journal if you'd like - I'd feel honored!

As far as your run-off PPM's... that would seemingly indicate you have a build-up of nutrient salts in your media. Do you flush your plants periodically? Are you seeing any signs of nute-burn on the tips of the leaves, etc.? If you aren't doing a periodic "flush" it might be a good idea. I had a similar thing happen to me recently when I measured the run-off of my Jack the Ripper in Coco coir, and noticed the tips burned a little. So I flushed it and she's looking really happy.

As far as flushing, there are a few ways you can go. Some people flush with straight water, which helps but actually is probably the least effective way to go for mid-grow flushing.

Another way to flush is with a flushing product like "Clearex" "Drip Clean" or "Florakleen". These are salt leaching products that draw excess salt buildup out of your medium. I personally believe these can be a bit shocking to the plant and persistant in that they may make your nutrients slightly less effective immediately after flushing (I believe Fox Farms "Sledgehammer" did this to me once). However, I do like them for a final pre-harvest flush and personally use "Florakleen" for that.

My favorite way to flush mid-grow, is to weaken your nutrient solution to about 1/4 strength. "Like" molecules bind to "like" molecules, so believe it or not, flushing with 1/4 strength nutrients is actually very effective, and even more effective than water alone. This method is recommended by people like Cervantes and companies like Dutch Masters Nutrients, and others as well. It's pretty accepted science from what I can tell, and it's worked well for me. The great thing about a flush done this way, is that I suspect it is less shocking to the plant in the sense of a complete stripping of nutrients or lack there of, yet it does work to leach excess salts from the medium. This is the way I just flushed my Jack the Ripper.

One caveat: IF you aren't seeing signs of distress or burning, you may not want to "fix what ain't broke". I'd keep an eye on it though, if that's the case because your higher run-off levels indicate some degree of nutrient build-up.

On the Pineapple Express - I germinated two seeds a while back, and then took cuttings that were sexed to figure out whether they were females or not. Both were females, but they both have dramatically different looking leaves and growth patterns, leading me to believe they are different phenos (though they might be very similar in the end result). I decided to save them both in the form of moms, and threw the more sativa looking cutting in with this grow (until it got overwhelmed). I am definitely still excited to flower them, and plan on doing so in the next round.

As far as super-cropping - I really value you sharing how you do it. You have a really good knack for bending and twisting plants that I, frankly, don't have naturally. I think it's a patience thing, and I believe your technique is so effective because you are methodical and patient. I will benefit from you sharing that, and will try a more patient approach next time. Now I know why your bonsais look so good! I don't pay much attention to when they were watered, and I just tend to pinch, pinch, twist, twist, bend. I think I rush it and end up with kinks, etc.

Thanks again for the pics and info on the split, as well as the super-cropping tips - I really appreciate it!

 

[Xlr8]

I'm with Sqwheels...thought it was an OMM journal for a min! I subed a few days back...but didn't have time to post...I come back and missed like 8 pages!

Oh well...I'll be catching up...

Hi Vapedogg -

Great to see you around more again my friend. Thanks for subbing up - glad to have you!

 

[Xlr8]

Hi

I have done this more than once when topping or training and i find the plant will fix itself so long as it isnt extremely damaged. i tend to have these things happen on my older mothers which are very woody and more difficult manouver. I constantly split them but wen i do i just add the magic ingredient (superthrive) and that helps with the stress alot.

Thanks for weighing in on that Cultivator -

B-vitamin products like Superthrive really do seem to help with plant stress. There are a lot of questionable additives in the nutrient world, but B-vitamin products have a loyal following for good reason.

Just yesterday, I received the new "Vita Blue" product from Blue Planet Nutrients, which has a really great mix of B vitamins and should help with plant stress. I immediately incorporated it in to my nutrient mix just for the very reason you suggest. The price is also really good for a B-vitamin product like this - and we already know how good the service is! While I've been lucky to win some BPN products in the contests here, I've also liked them enough to keep on purchasing them as well.

Not trying to sound like an ad here, but I'm pretty excited about this new product and it seems like a really good value for a B vitamin product:

Blue Planet Nutrients - Vita Blue

 

[shizznizzle]

Hey all!

Been trying to get out to a few other journals tonight, but I've got lots to update tomorrow (hint: snip snip, bend bend, and more...) and will respond to everyone then as well. Right now, I'm X-ceptionally tired and going to drool on my pillow for a bit...

Sending some positive vibes to Seagem, THSea, and Shizzy, who've all been through a helluva lot lately....

Man thanks X.....I seriously just gotta tear in my eye......

 

[shizznizzle]

Hey X I was wondering if you could read this post I left in OMM journal, will quote it here, and weigh in your thoughts?

Sorry couldnt figure out how to insert the quote I had selected here is a link


Shizzy

 

[Cultivator]

Thanks for weighing in on that Cultivator -

B-vitamin products like Superthrive really do seem to help with plant stress. There are a lot of questionable additives in the nutrient world, but B-vitamin products have a loyal following for good reason.

Just yesterday, I received the new "Vita Blue" product from Blue Planet Nutrients, which has a really great mix of B vitamins and should help with plant stress. I immediately incorporated it in to my nutrient mix just for the very reason you suggest. The price is also really good for a B-vitamin product like this - and we already know how good the service is! While I've been lucky to win some BPN products in the contests here, I've also liked them enough to keep on purchasing them as well.

Not trying to sound like an ad here, but I'm pretty excited about this new product and it seems like a really good value for a B vitamin product:

Blue Planet Nutrients - Vita Blue

Thats great. I stick with superthrive because although it can be pricey, it is also proven and if it aint broke....u know the drill

Ive seen good things said about bpn, but they not available in uk and i get great results from what i use. I use alot of additives and bpn is still growing the brand and cant offer what larger companies can. However i absolutely hope he makes it big and can provide world class competing nutrient. Maybe if i win a contest i can trial in uk and if its what people say it is make it big here!

 

[sqwheels]

Hi X,


Yes, she has recovered well, considering where it split. It may have repaired itself a little better if I hadn't kept pulling those two main branchs apart. The only thing I think I'd do differently if it happens again is to use floral tape...ya know, the green stuff. It stretches when pulled, and sticks to itself really well. I need to find some and keep it on hand.

I'm thinking the same thing about the salts build up...only like you said, there is no "burn", that's the only reason I haven't flushed yet, well that and the fact that they are soo big now I'll have trouble doing it alone. I appreciate all the info on flushing...I've gone thru this (salt buildup) a few times and I also prefer the Low nute solution for this, for all the reasons you gave. They seem to respond better to it. The thing I've noticed while flushing is...the lower the ppm's go the higher the pH goes. I take readings with each flush thru. I don't know how to make sense of this. After flush (usually several days later) when they dry out, I go back to feeding regular doses and the ppm's gradually climb and the pH gradually falls again.

Sounds like you made a good decision with the PE...and now I get why you think you have two different phenos. I'll be interested in the harvest results. I only popped one and it turned out female, the mom gave me a bunch of problems and I culled her for space reasons...I regret that decision, only because I really liked her smoke...I have a few more of her beans and I'll grow another one of these days, I just hope it's as nice as the first one.

super cropping...my mother always said I had the "patience of Job". Frankly I don't really agree, but some things do require a slow approach, and bending stems is one. I did take a few pics today while doing it, I'll post them in my journal update next Monday. To be honest, I think it's the Wonder Woman...she is soft and compliant. Very easy to manipulate. I've actually broken both the NLxBB and the BW a few times in the past. But I keep practicing, I think I'm getting better at it, I haven't done it lately.

I don't have anywhere near the experience as most here, but I think the "kink" puts undo stress on the plant and should be avoided if possible and I do think waiting after watering helps...JMHO
Currently I'm trying bassman's defoliating method on my smallest Wonder Woman clone. Gonna see how she responds to that.

Let us know what you think about the new BPN V-B



Sq

 

[Hash Hound]

Hey X

I'm a little behind on my readings and I read a few pages back about you wanting to supercrop during flowering.

I do it all the time. The thing I have learned is to really roll the stem between your fingers a lot to get the branch soft as not to snap and crack. Which by the way as long as it is still connected, they survive anyway.

You almost have to wait until they stop stretching, so doing it during flowering is no problem.

My plants are really thick too. My brixperiment is growing some healthy strong plants and the stems that need bent are as thick as a pencil. I rolled one yesterday a good bit until it almost bent by itself. then I bent it precisely where I wanted it. Problem is they turn back up a lot they are so healthy. I have to use a pipe cleaner to tie it to stay down. It really makes the lower branches take off too.

here is a branch I supercropped from the last grow

 

[Xlr8]

Hey X I was wondering if you could read this post I left in OMM journal, will quote it here, and weigh in your thoughts?

Sorry couldnt figure out how to insert the quote I had selected here is a link


Shizzy

Hi Shizzy!

I only have a minute, but wanted to get back to you quick. I don't have much experience growing in soil, but I trust whole-heartedly in the advice you got from OMM, Cultivator and Vapedogg as they would know better than I.

If it were me, I'd probably take a sterile scissors and cut off the black roots that are exiting the bottom, but I wouldn't transplant based on their recommendations. Also, you might want to try to drain the trays good that the pots sit in so that you don't get too many roots wanting to grow out the bottom like that, though I don't think that's too big of a deal if they do.

 

[jandre2k3]

Thanks for weighing in with your thoughts OMM.
I agree that the snap must cause some different behavior in the plant as it will need to heal itself as a result. I think the biggest changes happen once the terminal end is lowered below the rest of the canopy, and even the rest of the budsites on the same branch itself.

It's thought that when done in veg, sometimes the plant can even improve itself upon healing to an extent, resulting in larger colas on branches where super-cropped. OG Kush is supposedly famous for this sort of behavior - but I'm not sure how that correlates to a plant 3 weeks into bloom and whether the same sort of results/behavior can be expected...

This is exactly correct thinking. This is seen all over nature both in plants and animals. When we break a bone, the body's natural response is to knit/mend, then reinforce that area to prevent breaks there again. Likewise when plants are damaged, the "scar" is much stronger than the original state of that area, and further, the plant responds by making everything around, and above that site of damage stronger and more resilient to that same stimulus.

 

[Xlr8]

Thats great. I stick with superthrive because although it can be pricey, it is also proven and if it aint broke....u know the drill

Ive seen good things said about bpn, but they not available in uk and i get great results from what i use. I use alot of additives and bpn is still growing the brand and cant offer what larger companies can. However i absolutely hope he makes it big and can provide world class competing nutrient. Maybe if i win a contest i can trial in uk and if its what people say it is make it big here!

Hi Cultivator -

Nearly forgot that you are in UK! Superthrive is good stuff for sure. Actually, BPN has a really nice lineup of additives now - in fact their lineup has expanded quite a bit even in the last couple of weeks (week?). Some pretty cool stuff like mycorrhizae, b vitamins, liquid seaweed, cal/mag, early and late bloom boosters... all stuff I'll be adding right away to my grow (already have!). I've been using their nutes and bloom booster for last several grows now, and have zero complaints. But yeah, probably not feasible to ship to UK!

 

[Goldengoose7]

Hey X

I'm a little behind on my readings and I read a few pages back about you wanting to supercrop during flowering.

I do it all the time. The thing I have learned is to really roll the stem between your fingers a lot to get the branch soft as not to snap and crack. Which by the way as long as it is still connected, they survive anyway.

You almost have to wait until they stop stretching, so doing it during flowering is no problem.

My plants are really thick too. My brixperiment is growing some healthy strong plants and the stems that need bent are as thick as a pencil. I rolled one yesterday a good bit until it almost bent by itself. then I bent it precisely where I wanted it. Problem is they turn back up a lot they are so healthy. I have to use a pipe cleaner to tie it to stay down. It really makes the lower branches take off too.

here is a branch I supercropped from the last grow

Nice job on that Hash Hound! A textbook example of how that should look if done properly!

And XL... I am just fascinated by what you are doing with those branch junctions or whatever the proper name for that part of the plant is! LOL!

I just don't have the patience for this level of work that you guys are doing here, but I am still intrigued and love seeing these photos each time you piost a new batch!