What nutrients lineup do you use and how do you like it?
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Blue281
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I currently use advanced nutrients micro, grow and bloom and it works very well! However I've just started growing in coco so will be switching to there sensi A+B coco line as it's better suited as they have higher levels of calcium and magnesium in.
Also for advanced nutrients I found this on another forum which could be quite helpful to some people using it. Someone asked Advanced nutrients how to use there products and this was the response.
FROM AVANCED -
Thank you for your inquiry,
All of our products and formulas can be used in exactly the same way in all mediums. Mix the nutrient solution including any supplements that you are using, allow the solution to sit for at least ah hour or two, then adjust the pH to the level ideal for the medium that you are using. When growing in soil adjust the pH to 6.3, in hydro to pH 5.6 and when in coco coir, adjust to 5.8-6.0. We also suggest using approximately 200 ppm of sensi cal/mg grow/bloom to supplement coco coir with the necessary micro elements locked out by the medium.
We also suggest using the old nutrient calculator as a base to make up you nutrient solution, I have attached a link here: Nutrient Calculator | Hydroponics | Advanced Nutrients | Hydroponic Gardening
I am including a feeding guideline below.
Feeding Guideline
Don't start feeding nutrients to rooting clones or seedlings such as the 2 part Sensi A & B (Grow) until they develop 3 or 4 sets of new/true leaves.
Until they develop 3 or 4 sets of new (clones)/true (seedlings) leaves feed them only water. You can foliar spray them with Jumpstart, use application rate suggested on the bottle or 1/4 strength B-52 (1 mL/liter) until then. You can also add 1/4 strength applications of Piranha, Tarantula and Voodoo Juice, to the water that you will use in the root zone.
Clones seedlings need high levels of moisture in the medium
(80% -85% is good 100% is too much)
They also like a warmer environment in the root zone 70 F â€" 80 F.
Entering the Vegetative stage, Use the Rooted Clones / Seedlings schedule in the nutrient calculator for the first two weeks of feeding)
Week 1
At 3 or 4 sets of new leaves mix nutrient solution at 300 ppm
Week 2
Mix nutrient solution at 600 ppm
Switch to Vegetative Stage feeding schedule if you are going to vegetate the plants longer than two weeks, the calculator goes up to another 8 weeks (you don't need to veg the whole 8 weeks).
Week 3 is Week 1 on the vegetative chart
Mix nutrient solution at 600 - 900 ppm depending on size
Week 4
Mix nutrient solution at 900 -1200 ppm depending on size
Follow chart for additional weeks as required
When entering the Bloom Stage follow the medium feeding strength. (If growing indoors the bloom stage starts when the lights are switched to twelve hours of darkness and twelve hour of light).
Week 1- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1000 ppm
Week 2 - mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1200 ppm
Week 3- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1400 ppm
Week 4- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1600 ppm
Week 5- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1400 ppm
Week 6- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1200 ppm
Week 7- Flush
The nutrient calculator is set for a 7 week strain; it can be customized for plants that require more than 7 weeks to complete their flower stage. Just click add a week.
The amounts suggested in the nutrient calculator are the total nutrient to feed the plant for a whole week, not the amount to give them per feeding.
If you want to give your plants nutrient solution more than once per week, divide the amount (total ppm) for the week by the number of feedings that you want to give them to calculate the ppm per feeding. A light cycle of plain ph adjusted water prior to commencing a new week's feeding schedule will help prevent lock out conditions.
Plants may increase their over all size up to 2/3, during the bloom stage, for this reason the feeding schedules in the calculator increases the strength of the nutrient solution every week, reaching the highest concentration on the fourth week of bloom. If plant needs longer than 6 weeks of feeding (7 week strain, the 7Th week is a flush week), repeat week 4 for each extra week.
Always reduce the amount that you feed your plants during the last two weeks of feeding.
Overfeeding
If the very tip of the leaves gets yellow it is an early sign of overfeeding. Reduce the solution strength slightly (100 â€" 150 ppm), if not increase slightly.
Deficiencies
If the margins or any other part of the leaves yellows off it is a possible sign of deficiencies. Check pH in medium and reservoir, if the pH is off from the ideal levels look out conditions may develop. At first symptom of a deficiency apply rule # 1 (When in doubt flush them out).
If growing in a medium that takes some time to dry up, allow the medium to dry and feeding them plain pH adjusted water when they are ready. If growing in a re circulating system, find a way to give them only pH adjusted water for the length of a light cycle, a second reservoir just for water may be a simple solution, then it is just a matter of moving the pump over, maintain the regular water pump cycle during the flush.
pH conditions in medium
In Soil/Soiless (Soil or Soiless mixtures that may also contain peat moss but not Coco Coir) adjust the pH to 6.3
In Hydro (It includes products such as Rockwool, Hydroton Rock, and Lava Rock) adjust to 5.6
In Coco Coir adjust the ph to 5.8 â€" 6.0. You may want to supplement with SensiCal when growing in coco with a base nutrient that in not specific to growing in coco
Root damage
Another possibility is damage in the root zone, check for the possibility of root rot, or insect larvae as potential causes for root deterioration, brown, mushy, smelly roots are a good indicator of root damage. Hydrogen peroxide is an efficient way to destroy root rot causing bacteria.
Mixing instructions
If using the base nutrient stand alone, mix nutrients according to instructions on the bottle.
If also using supplements follow feeding schedule in the nutrient calculator.
When using a re circulating system, you will be dealing with one of two situations, either the reservoir is large enough to feed the plants for a week without the need to be topped up during the week or it is a small reservoir and in order to feed the plants through the week it will require to be topped up.
In case of reservoir that does not need to be topped up.
Add to the reservoir the amount of water that the plants are going to be using for the week, include some extra water to allow for evaporation.
Mix the nutrient solution at 1/6th of the strength that is suggested in the calculator for that week.
Example: If the plants need 1200 ppm for the week, divide 1200 by 6 and mix the reservoir at 200 â€" 250 ppm.
Allow the solution to sit long enough to stabilize the pH. Adjust pH
Feed the plants.
Allow the plants to feed on the solution and the pH to rise for 1 1/2 â€" 2 days before re adjusting the pH.
In case of reservoir that needs to be topped up with water during the week.
Add to reservoir the amount of water that the plants will use in 3 â€" 3 ½ days.
Mix the nutrient solution at the strength that is suggested in the calculator for that week.
Allow the solution to sit long enough to stabilize the pH. Adjust pH
Feed the plants
Allow the plants to feed on the solution for 1 1/2 â€" 2 days, top up with water to the original level first before re adjusting the pH, after adding the water allow solution to sit for an hour and re adjust the pH.
If growing in soil adjust the pH 6.3, in coco 5.8 â€" 6.0, in hydro 5.6.
When using a re circulating system having the pH rise after you start feeding the plants is a good thing, It means that the plants are up taking nutrient, it is important that it rises the plants up take different nutrients at different pH levels, allow the pH to rise for 1 ½ - 2 days at that point adjust the pH down to 5.6 again
Nutrient Calculator | Hydroponics | Advanced Nutrients | Hydroponic Gardening
Measurements:
1 gallon = 4 liters (quarts)
1 tsp (teaspoon) = 5 mL
1/2 tsp (teaspoon) = 2.5 mL
1/4 tsp (teaspoon) = 1.25 mL
1 tbsp (tablespoon) = 3 tsp (teaspoon) = 15 mL
I hope that this is the answer that you are looking for. If you have further questions please contact us via e-mail or by calling our tech support toll free line at 1 800 640 9605 8:00 am â€" 9:00 pm PST. If line busy or directed to voice mail keep trying.
Regards
A.N. Tech Support
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Also for advanced nutrients I found this on another forum which could be quite helpful to some people using it. Someone asked Advanced nutrients how to use there products and this was the response.
FROM AVANCED -
Thank you for your inquiry,
All of our products and formulas can be used in exactly the same way in all mediums. Mix the nutrient solution including any supplements that you are using, allow the solution to sit for at least ah hour or two, then adjust the pH to the level ideal for the medium that you are using. When growing in soil adjust the pH to 6.3, in hydro to pH 5.6 and when in coco coir, adjust to 5.8-6.0. We also suggest using approximately 200 ppm of sensi cal/mg grow/bloom to supplement coco coir with the necessary micro elements locked out by the medium.
We also suggest using the old nutrient calculator as a base to make up you nutrient solution, I have attached a link here: Nutrient Calculator | Hydroponics | Advanced Nutrients | Hydroponic Gardening
I am including a feeding guideline below.
Feeding Guideline
Don't start feeding nutrients to rooting clones or seedlings such as the 2 part Sensi A & B (Grow) until they develop 3 or 4 sets of new/true leaves.
Until they develop 3 or 4 sets of new (clones)/true (seedlings) leaves feed them only water. You can foliar spray them with Jumpstart, use application rate suggested on the bottle or 1/4 strength B-52 (1 mL/liter) until then. You can also add 1/4 strength applications of Piranha, Tarantula and Voodoo Juice, to the water that you will use in the root zone.
Clones seedlings need high levels of moisture in the medium
(80% -85% is good 100% is too much)
They also like a warmer environment in the root zone 70 F â€" 80 F.
Entering the Vegetative stage, Use the Rooted Clones / Seedlings schedule in the nutrient calculator for the first two weeks of feeding)
Week 1
At 3 or 4 sets of new leaves mix nutrient solution at 300 ppm
Week 2
Mix nutrient solution at 600 ppm
Switch to Vegetative Stage feeding schedule if you are going to vegetate the plants longer than two weeks, the calculator goes up to another 8 weeks (you don't need to veg the whole 8 weeks).
Week 3 is Week 1 on the vegetative chart
Mix nutrient solution at 600 - 900 ppm depending on size
Week 4
Mix nutrient solution at 900 -1200 ppm depending on size
Follow chart for additional weeks as required
When entering the Bloom Stage follow the medium feeding strength. (If growing indoors the bloom stage starts when the lights are switched to twelve hours of darkness and twelve hour of light).
Week 1- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1000 ppm
Week 2 - mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1200 ppm
Week 3- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1400 ppm
Week 4- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1600 ppm
Week 5- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1400 ppm
Week 6- mix nutrient solution including supplements at 1200 ppm
Week 7- Flush
The nutrient calculator is set for a 7 week strain; it can be customized for plants that require more than 7 weeks to complete their flower stage. Just click add a week.
The amounts suggested in the nutrient calculator are the total nutrient to feed the plant for a whole week, not the amount to give them per feeding.
If you want to give your plants nutrient solution more than once per week, divide the amount (total ppm) for the week by the number of feedings that you want to give them to calculate the ppm per feeding. A light cycle of plain ph adjusted water prior to commencing a new week's feeding schedule will help prevent lock out conditions.
Plants may increase their over all size up to 2/3, during the bloom stage, for this reason the feeding schedules in the calculator increases the strength of the nutrient solution every week, reaching the highest concentration on the fourth week of bloom. If plant needs longer than 6 weeks of feeding (7 week strain, the 7Th week is a flush week), repeat week 4 for each extra week.
Always reduce the amount that you feed your plants during the last two weeks of feeding.
Overfeeding
If the very tip of the leaves gets yellow it is an early sign of overfeeding. Reduce the solution strength slightly (100 â€" 150 ppm), if not increase slightly.
Deficiencies
If the margins or any other part of the leaves yellows off it is a possible sign of deficiencies. Check pH in medium and reservoir, if the pH is off from the ideal levels look out conditions may develop. At first symptom of a deficiency apply rule # 1 (When in doubt flush them out).
If growing in a medium that takes some time to dry up, allow the medium to dry and feeding them plain pH adjusted water when they are ready. If growing in a re circulating system, find a way to give them only pH adjusted water for the length of a light cycle, a second reservoir just for water may be a simple solution, then it is just a matter of moving the pump over, maintain the regular water pump cycle during the flush.
pH conditions in medium
In Soil/Soiless (Soil or Soiless mixtures that may also contain peat moss but not Coco Coir) adjust the pH to 6.3
In Hydro (It includes products such as Rockwool, Hydroton Rock, and Lava Rock) adjust to 5.6
In Coco Coir adjust the ph to 5.8 â€" 6.0. You may want to supplement with SensiCal when growing in coco with a base nutrient that in not specific to growing in coco
Root damage
Another possibility is damage in the root zone, check for the possibility of root rot, or insect larvae as potential causes for root deterioration, brown, mushy, smelly roots are a good indicator of root damage. Hydrogen peroxide is an efficient way to destroy root rot causing bacteria.
Mixing instructions
If using the base nutrient stand alone, mix nutrients according to instructions on the bottle.
If also using supplements follow feeding schedule in the nutrient calculator.
When using a re circulating system, you will be dealing with one of two situations, either the reservoir is large enough to feed the plants for a week without the need to be topped up during the week or it is a small reservoir and in order to feed the plants through the week it will require to be topped up.
In case of reservoir that does not need to be topped up.
Add to the reservoir the amount of water that the plants are going to be using for the week, include some extra water to allow for evaporation.
Mix the nutrient solution at 1/6th of the strength that is suggested in the calculator for that week.
Example: If the plants need 1200 ppm for the week, divide 1200 by 6 and mix the reservoir at 200 â€" 250 ppm.
Allow the solution to sit long enough to stabilize the pH. Adjust pH
Feed the plants.
Allow the plants to feed on the solution and the pH to rise for 1 1/2 â€" 2 days before re adjusting the pH.
In case of reservoir that needs to be topped up with water during the week.
Add to reservoir the amount of water that the plants will use in 3 â€" 3 ½ days.
Mix the nutrient solution at the strength that is suggested in the calculator for that week.
Allow the solution to sit long enough to stabilize the pH. Adjust pH
Feed the plants
Allow the plants to feed on the solution for 1 1/2 â€" 2 days, top up with water to the original level first before re adjusting the pH, after adding the water allow solution to sit for an hour and re adjust the pH.
If growing in soil adjust the pH 6.3, in coco 5.8 â€" 6.0, in hydro 5.6.
When using a re circulating system having the pH rise after you start feeding the plants is a good thing, It means that the plants are up taking nutrient, it is important that it rises the plants up take different nutrients at different pH levels, allow the pH to rise for 1 ½ - 2 days at that point adjust the pH down to 5.6 again
Nutrient Calculator | Hydroponics | Advanced Nutrients | Hydroponic Gardening
Measurements:
1 gallon = 4 liters (quarts)
1 tsp (teaspoon) = 5 mL
1/2 tsp (teaspoon) = 2.5 mL
1/4 tsp (teaspoon) = 1.25 mL
1 tbsp (tablespoon) = 3 tsp (teaspoon) = 15 mL
I hope that this is the answer that you are looking for. If you have further questions please contact us via e-mail or by calling our tech support toll free line at 1 800 640 9605 8:00 am â€" 9:00 pm PST. If line busy or directed to voice mail keep trying.
Regards
A.N. Tech Support
-
I'm not going to quote the entire post above, just add my two cents worth.
My conversations with AN Help have always had the admonition that when using their pH Perfect mgb to NOT adjust pH at all.
If you don't believe this can work, I have the answer for you. The Roost link below has a months worth of daily pH, and ppm readings using AN pH Perfect mgb, and as of two weeks ago Remo Nutrients also.(current grow so you don't have to dig for it either) I have not adjusted pH in almost two years now and i use hard tap water.
My biggest complaint with AN is the difficulty in getting accurate ppm readings due to the pH buffers they use, and the salts that are left in the reservoir. If you look at the data I've logged as a whole, you'll see where the Remo is easier to track nutrient depletion in your reservoir. Remo also does not leave the salty crust like the AN.
Remo will be my in stock line as the AN runs out.
My conversations with AN Help have always had the admonition that when using their pH Perfect mgb to NOT adjust pH at all.
If you don't believe this can work, I have the answer for you. The Roost link below has a months worth of daily pH, and ppm readings using AN pH Perfect mgb, and as of two weeks ago Remo Nutrients also.(current grow so you don't have to dig for it either) I have not adjusted pH in almost two years now and i use hard tap water.
My biggest complaint with AN is the difficulty in getting accurate ppm readings due to the pH buffers they use, and the salts that are left in the reservoir. If you look at the data I've logged as a whole, you'll see where the Remo is easier to track nutrient depletion in your reservoir. Remo also does not leave the salty crust like the AN.
Remo will be my in stock line as the AN runs out.
defectndesign
Well-Known Member
+1
Don't adjust ph when using AN or you'll have a bad week. Trust me. I was that guy until I met rifleman. But along with him I will be phasing out my AN stock after this grow
Edit: Iwas on the phone with AN 3 weeks ago when I was chasing ph. They told me even though my tap water is above 7 I'd be fine. They were right. 6.3 6.5 is my swing. Seems high but plants are fine.
Does this include the base range 'grow lush' products by AN? Ill be using grow/bloom A+B and now probably big bud too
Thanks
Joey
Can you post a photo of the bottle? Or exact name. I don't see "grow lush" on the AN site.
Edit...this would include the Advanced Nutrients:
pH Perfect® Connoisseur Bloom A&B
pH Perfect® Connoisseur Grow A&B
pH Perfect® Grow Micro Bloom
pH Perfect® Sensi Bloom A&B
pH Perfect® Sensi Grow Parts A&B
Edit #2...If you are using any of the above, and other additional AN stuff like Big Bud, Rhinoskin, etc. You still don't have to adjust pH as long as you do weekly water changes. I don't want to hijack the thread here, but will be glad to go in depth at my journal if anyone wants/needs.
defectndesign
Well-Known Member
From my understanding it works the same for their whole ph perfect line. That's the whole reason behind it
Can you post a photo of the bottle? Or exact name. I don't see "grow lush" on the AN site.
Edit...this would include the Advanced Nutrients:
pH Perfect® Connoisseur Bloom A&B
pH Perfect® Connoisseur Grow A&B
pH Perfect® Grow Micro Bloom
pH Perfect® Sensi Bloom A&B
pH Perfect® Sensi Grow Parts A&B
Edit #2...If you are using any of the above, and other additional AN stuff like Big Bud, Rhinoskin, etc. You still don't have to adjust pH as long as you do weekly water changes. I don't want to hijack the thread here, but will be glad to go in depth at my journal if anyone wants/needs.
Ah my bad, I just checked the site GrowLush Nutrient | GROWLUSH Australia and they stock advanced nutrients etc thats where i got that from, most likely stoned at the time lol.... Grow lush is an aussie company. Im just using these as they came with my kit
DoctorGonzo
New Member
Advanced Nutrients is an utter shit show.
I do not lIke their business practices, nor the amount of salts left behind from it, but I can say it does work well in my dwc. I will be switching to Remo when I run out of AN though.
DoctorGonzo
New Member
resinousWood
New Member
What's up guys. I use advanced nutrients. I dont know why people don't like them. I do that have to pH ANYTHING. I run dwc buckets. And my plants get huge. It's the easiest line of nutes I've ever used. And I've used fox farm and GH nutes. Advanced IMHO blows them outta the water. They are a little pricey . But it's worth it to me.
How heavy do you feed? 3ml/L? Have a hard crusty coating inside your buckets? That's one of my complaints. The dozen double page ads in magazines is another.
AN works, even if it doesn't work just exactly like they tell people it does. No complaints with my harvests, but there is a better way...without messing with pH too.
defectndesign
Well-Known Member
I took your advise and went 3ml/L and the salts are still crazy!
I've grown several monsters never getting over 24ml/15L (1.6ml/L) of the AN mgb. Salt crust was there but easily dealt with, at 3ml/L I'm using a tablespoon to scrape it from the inside of the buckets.
defectndesign
Well-Known Member
Why did you double up? Just to get rid of it? I probably wouldn't mind as much if the salt wasn't constantly clogging up my drip rings
resinousWood
New Member
I've never had any crusty stuff in my buckets .. I'll be doing a Rez change and flipping my plants tonight I'll post pics of inside the buckets after I dump the water out
Partially to see if if brought pH down farther when using more.....it doesn't. Partially to see if my late bloom necrosis of my top sugar leaves is nutrient related. I'm continuing those levels to phase it out. I was generously gifted the entire Remo line by one of rock star members
and my garden store girl gave me the samples (1L bottles) their supplier had left them because they weren't going to carry it. Said no one had even asked about it other than me. All in I have enough AN for 8 more plants, and enough Remo on hand for at least dozen. Doesn't sound lIke much but I've only been growing 8 plants a year until this year when I've gotten 12. Expectations are to start back in mid Sept and aim for 16 plants next year.
lootznbootz
Well-Known Member
I've used AN since I started growing and tho I did get some good results from them.
Recently I've switched to nectar of the gods and I've gotten even better results so far.
I've seen a couple of things as I breezed through this post that really stood out to me
1. Dialing in the ppms and pH with them is an absolute nightmare.
2. The feeding schedule is a total money grab!
And these 2 things go hand in hand.
Because of the salts and buffers and the overall strength of their nutes it's hard to use what you REALLY need as opposed to what they want you to need.
I've been trying to take a less is more approach this grow and with nectar that is very easy!!
Check out my grow
I still have my an line it has earned its place in my garden.
But when I run hydro and at a very diluted amount!
Recently I've switched to nectar of the gods and I've gotten even better results so far.
I've seen a couple of things as I breezed through this post that really stood out to me
1. Dialing in the ppms and pH with them is an absolute nightmare.
2. The feeding schedule is a total money grab!
And these 2 things go hand in hand.
Because of the salts and buffers and the overall strength of their nutes it's hard to use what you REALLY need as opposed to what they want you to need.
I've been trying to take a less is more approach this grow and with nectar that is very easy!!
Check out my grow
I still have my an line it has earned its place in my garden.
But when I run hydro and at a very diluted amount!
resinousWood
New Member
Now I will say my buddy is running a rdwc with a top feed and the rings are super salty.. and always cloggedPartially to see if if brought pH down farther when using more.....it doesn't. Partially to see if my late bloom necrosis of my top sugar leaves is nutrient related. I'm continuing those levels to phase it out. I was generously gifted the entire Remo line by one of rock star members
All in I have enough AN for 8 more plants, and enough Remo on hand for at least dozen. Doesn't sound lIke much but I've only been growing 8 plants a year until this year when I've gotten 12. Expectations are to start back in mid Sept and aim for 16 plants next year.
