Welcome All My Friends To The Show That Never Ends - Canna M & Nismo12 Team Up!

[Heirloom]

Dude welcome back! Glad to know that you are alive and kicking. Your absence was noticed.

Thanks for the heads up on the STS. We used your recipe for the latest reversal and it worked flawlessly with no burning of the leaves . It was amazing to see the plant not even try to become female.

Welcome back.

Thank you. Just popping my head up today. Sicker than dog doo, with nothing else I can do, lol. Wouldn't say "I'm back". Wanted to report the reversal news and see how it's going with everyone.

So glad you had smashing success. Very good to hear. Warms my heart.



Duggan - Had scaffolding removed late January. Still recovering from yet another surgery. Good times?

 

[Beavis]

Tonight will be a night of relaxation in anticipation of the weekend.

Tonight I took some pictures of the veg girls and it looks like all of them have taken a liking to the soil. First up we will have the BOP. All 5 of them are growing great and are 5 weeks old. Hopefully in a week - 10 days we will see what sex they are from the clones.

Nismo, is this what you were recommending me to do? So did you take a clone and put it in the flower tent to sex the plant? What's the advantage of doing this versus just waiting say till day 50 or so and sex the plant once it starts showing then?

 

[Nismo12]

Nismo, is this what you were recommending me to do? So did you take a clone and put it in the flower tent to sex the plant? What's the advantage of doing this versus just waiting say till day 50 or so and sex the plant once it starts showing then?

Yes this is what I was recommending. Just clip a clone and put it in 12/12 and let the hopeful mothers do their thing until the clones show sex. You can also take the entire plant and put it in flower then if it's female put it back into veg. But with that it takes a couple weeks to get back into the veg schedule to "reveg". A few different ways to do it but with our 100% clone rate with the aero cloner it is just easier to take a few clones. Just one from each plant is enough so it's not bad.

We only need 4 clones but have 5 plants so we have a choice. The best will be used for fem seeds and the rest will either get flowered or tossed. All depends on the room we have and soil on hand. Currently have 4 bales of soil in the rotation so we shall see.

 

[Beavis]

Aren't you able to determine sex around day 40-50 during veg when they start to show preflower? Do you use this method so you can determine sex earlier? When you put a clone on 12/12, how long does it take to show it's sex?

Sorry for all the questions...this is great info!!

 

[Beavis]

Still thinking about this: so you take 1 clone and put it in flower to sex. If it's a female do you then take another clone to keep for the next grow? Or do you flip that same clone back into veg?

 

[Heirloom]

If I may.... flipping back to veg after inducing flowering is pretty inefficient and time consuming IMHO. And it shoots tons of new stems from many of the flowering sites. Sounds great but they are (most, not all) bushy messes that take extra pruning to control from then on. "Reveging" I think as a novelty really, or maybe a tool in the cases where you lost your mother or safety net clone (what I call the one plant destined to keep the pheno alive after the the mother is flowering). When sexing and wanting to know ASAP, I've always cloned them and put the clone to 12/12. How fast it shows depends on age of the mother and genetics. Some within days, others as long as 21.

If you need another/more clones to keep the strain alive or flower out, it's easy to do. You still have the original 'mother' that you took the sexing clone from. Take more clones to flower and keep the mother in veg, or flower the mother and keep a clone or two to do it again. What ever works for you in your space.

 

[Jgrowlove]

If I may.... flipping back to veg after inducing flowering is pretty inefficient and time consuming IMHO. And it shoots tons of new stems from many of the flowering sites. Sounds great but they are (most, not all) bushy messes that take extra pruning to control from then on. "Reveging" I think as a novelty really, or maybe a tool in the cases where you lost your mother or safety net clone (what I call the one plant destined to keep the pheno alive after the the mother is flowering). When sexing and wanting to know ASAP, I've always cloned them and put the clone to 12/12. How fast it shows depends on age of the mother and genetics. Some within days, others as long as 21.

If you need another/more clones to keep the strain alive or flower out, it's easy to do. You still have the original 'mother' that you took the sexing clone from. Take more clones to flower and keep the mother in veg, or flower the mother and keep a clone or two to do it again. What ever works for you in your space.

Awesome info. Very much appreciated for the detail too. Was considering both options recently!!

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[Nismo12]

Still thinking about this: so you take 1 clone and put it in flower to sex. If it's a female do you then take another clone to keep for the next grow? Or do you flip that same clone back into veg?

If I may.... flipping back to veg after inducing flowering is pretty inefficient and time consuming IMHO. And it shoots tons of new stems from many of the flowering sites. Sounds great but they are (most, not all) bushy messes that take extra pruning to control from then on. "Reveging" I think as a novelty really, or maybe a tool in the cases where you lost your mother or safety net clone (what I call the one plant destined to keep the pheno alive after the the mother is flowering). When sexing and wanting to know ASAP, I've always cloned them and put the clone to 12/12. How fast it shows depends on age of the mother and genetics. Some within days, others as long as 21.

If you need another/more clones to keep the strain alive or flower out, it's easy to do. You still have the original 'mother' that you took the sexing clone from. Take more clones to flower and keep the mother in veg, or flower the mother and keep a clone or two to do it again. What ever works for you in your space.

What he said.

 

[Beavis]

Man this is super great info, all these tricks and tips are invaluable!

I still don't understand why you go this route (take a clone and flip to 12/12) to sex rather than just waiting till they show preflowers late in veg around the 40-50 day mark from seed...especially if it might take up to 21 days to show sex after flipping the clone.

 

[Jacobsenji]

Re: Welcome All My Friends To The Show That Never Ends - Canna M & Nismo12 Team Up!

If you have say five plants and say three of em turn male after flip I'd think you lost 3x energy growing out males. 3x loss. If searching for a mother or pheno this would seem to be the most efficient way..

 

[Heirloom]

Vegging for 2 months isn't for everyone either. Efficient use of all resources available is always high on my priority list. Nutes used, watt hours and PAR wasted, CO2 consumed, humidity added, space filled with a worthless plant that could have been filled by a confirmed female. I could go on, but I'm sure you get it. No need to veg a male that long if I don't need/want it.

 

[Nismo12]

Man this is super great info, all these tricks and tips are invaluable!

I still don't understand why you go this route (take a clone and flip to 12/12) to sex rather than just waiting till they show preflowers late in veg around the 40-50 day mark from seed...especially if it might take up to 21 days to show sex after flipping the clone.

Preflowers can be deceiving sometimes. Why not make just make sure? I don't think that the clones even need to be rooted to sex them...we will find out though!

 

[Beavis]

Vegging for 2 months isn't for everyone either. Efficient use of all resources available is always high on my priority list. Nutes used, watt hours and PAR wasted, CO2 consumed, humidity added, space filled with a worthless plant that could have been filled by a confirmed female. I could go on, but I'm sure you get it. No need to veg a male that long if I don't need/want it.

Makes sense. I thought I read someone (I think it was in one of Shiggity's journals) mention some rule needing to veg a seedling 50 or 55 days in order to grow a proper plant....so I thought you had to go that long anyway.

What is the age of the plant when y'all usually take the clone that you'll flip to 12/12 for sexing?

 

[Jacobsenji]

I wasted a lot of time when I first started not that long ago revegging and monster cropping. But when the back intoy go into flower you have to prune and trim the gain of growth right back out. Get a helluva root system down though. I just put a Train Wreck back in reveg for a mother

 

[Nismo12]

Makes sense. I thought I read someone (I think it was in one of Shiggity's journals) mention some rule needing to veg a seedling 50 or 55 days in order to grow a proper plant....so I thought you had to go that long anyway.

What is the age of the plant when y'all usually take the clone that you'll flip to 12/12 for sexing?

We are 5 weeks into veg and could have done it last week. But the "mother" needs to be mature enough to flower to sex so right around 3 or 4 weeks from seed.

This is the 2nd time we have used regulars so we are not pros with it. If everything goes as well as I think it is then I don't see why we wouldn't use them more.

 

[Beavis]

This is good stuff guys. Thanks for being patient with all my questions. I've learned a lot today!

I'll be paying attention to see how it goes Nis. I'm all about sexing the plants as early as possible for all the reasons Heirloom mentioned.

 

[Heirloom]

Makes sense. I thought I read someone (I think it was in one of Shiggity's journals) mention some rule needing to veg a seedling 50 or 55 days in order to grow a proper plant....so I thought you had to go that long anyway.

What is the age of the plant when y'all usually take the clone that you'll flip to 12/12 for sexing?

Structure certainly changes with age. There's mature and immature phyllotaxy (and an short in between phase), but that's another topic.

Cloning....as soon as it's big enough to take the top. I leave at least one good large leaf set with 5 leaflets and it's two shoots. Early, like 21 days old if it's fast enough. I currently have Dark Devils at 21-22 days (since sprout) and could take the top as a clone on any of them. My Fruit Punch, however, are about 26 days and I wouldn't try it yet. They are far more compact with tighter node spacing, thus to get a good sized clone they take a little longer. My personal rule of thumb is, literally, my thumb. I want about that much nice solid stem sticking out of my root riot before the lowest sacrificial fan leaves that I leave.

 

[Beavis]

Structure certainly changes with age. There's mature and immature phyllotaxy (and an short in between phase), but that's another topic.

Cloning....as soon as it's big enough to take the top. I leave at least one good large leaf set with 5 leaflets and it's two shoots. Early, like 21 days old if it's fast enough. I currently have Dark Devils at 21-22 days (since sprout) and could take the top as a clone on any of them. My Fruit Punch, however, are about 26 days and I wouldn't try it yet. They are far more compact with tighter node spacing, thus to get a good sized clone they take a little longer. My personal rule of thumb is, literally, my thumb. I want about that much nice solid stem sticking out of my root riot before the lowest sacrificial fan leaves that I leave.

Great info, thank you Heirloom.

This is cool stuff. Man, so much to learn!

 

[Jacobsenji]

Also a thank you from me as well, Heirloom n Nismo, n Beavis for asking the questions bro.

 

[HeDgELoG]

Nice grow Nis. Can't wait to get something growing again but til then, I'll just hang out here.

Peace and Blessings...