That pictorial farewell keeps making me stop and look again. She did well for you Weaselcracker. 
Weasel Forges Ahead
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Yeah the Cheese really made this farewell a fond one. As is usually the case in my grow I'm not really sure why she turned out the way she did, or had the colours she did. My plants often just seem to turn out how they want to turn out, and don't seem to want to consult the grower about it beforehand.
I'll update about the cob thing here since I already posted it on the cobbing thread. Not much to report but here is what has happened.
I pulled the GT out of the drying box a little before it was fully dry.
Squished about 1.1 ounce of into a sausage shape allowing me to enclose it in some corn husks. Then I tied this up tightly into a cob.
Then I spied a bunch of small buds and seconds in bottom of the GT bin and decided to make a cob out of these just to use them up. Turned out very small.
After that I vacuum sealed the cobs.
This is (I think) basically to help keep the cobs fresh and eliminate the risk of mould. Much as cheese is vacuum sealed and lasts a long time that way.
After this I stuck the cobs into an improvised heat chamber at 40° C for 24 hours for an initial ferment.
Following this the temp was dropped to around 27° where they'll sit for a week or so and ferment more. After that- well I haven't read that far so I'm not sure. As for why I'm using these temps for these time periods, etc, I don't know- I'm just following instructions....
After my heat chamber thingy is freed up I want to look more at different ways of fermenting some of the bud I have laying around. Including some Panama and Honduras (didn't like the high so much from these strains so there it sits). And also in particular some Thai and Malawi batches that didn't cure very well that have been sitting around for too long.
This made me curious what exactly I have in the stash and so I went and looked.
I have in varying amounts of bud - Thai Stick (the strain not the sticks), Mama Thai, Y Griega, Violleta, Afghan x Black Domina, Critical Cheese, Orient Express cross, Peyote Purple, Gorilla Glue, P Chunk, CBD Therapy, Ace Chitral cross, Lemon Skunk cross, Malawi, Panama, four different GTs, Chocolate Mint, Blueberry, Honeysuckle, P Chunk x Mama Thai, Mama Thai x Thai Stick, Honduras, and a variety of hash.
There are various multiple versions of many of these. Most of the jars contain several bags with different batches, or harvests from different plants/phenos. Some are batches that were especially good so I saved them, or especially bad. Also I have separate batches that came off of the grafted plants vs normal plants. Etc.
It's really really time to clear most of this stuff out and I'm hoping that I can cob or ferment some of it to just to make it into something new.
I'll update about the cob thing here since I already posted it on the cobbing thread. Not much to report but here is what has happened.
I pulled the GT out of the drying box a little before it was fully dry.
Squished about 1.1 ounce of into a sausage shape allowing me to enclose it in some corn husks. Then I tied this up tightly into a cob.
Then I spied a bunch of small buds and seconds in bottom of the GT bin and decided to make a cob out of these just to use them up. Turned out very small.
After that I vacuum sealed the cobs.
This is (I think) basically to help keep the cobs fresh and eliminate the risk of mould. Much as cheese is vacuum sealed and lasts a long time that way.
After this I stuck the cobs into an improvised heat chamber at 40° C for 24 hours for an initial ferment.
Following this the temp was dropped to around 27° where they'll sit for a week or so and ferment more. After that- well I haven't read that far so I'm not sure. As for why I'm using these temps for these time periods, etc, I don't know- I'm just following instructions....
After my heat chamber thingy is freed up I want to look more at different ways of fermenting some of the bud I have laying around. Including some Panama and Honduras (didn't like the high so much from these strains so there it sits). And also in particular some Thai and Malawi batches that didn't cure very well that have been sitting around for too long.
This made me curious what exactly I have in the stash and so I went and looked.
I have in varying amounts of bud - Thai Stick (the strain not the sticks), Mama Thai, Y Griega, Violleta, Afghan x Black Domina, Critical Cheese, Orient Express cross, Peyote Purple, Gorilla Glue, P Chunk, CBD Therapy, Ace Chitral cross, Lemon Skunk cross, Malawi, Panama, four different GTs, Chocolate Mint, Blueberry, Honeysuckle, P Chunk x Mama Thai, Mama Thai x Thai Stick, Honduras, and a variety of hash.
There are various multiple versions of many of these. Most of the jars contain several bags with different batches, or harvests from different plants/phenos. Some are batches that were especially good so I saved them, or especially bad. Also I have separate batches that came off of the grafted plants vs normal plants. Etc.
It's really really time to clear most of this stuff out and I'm hoping that I can cob or ferment some of it to just to make it into something new.
Scrogdawg
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Glad your documenting this Weasel. Looks great so far.
You have an enviable stash. My patients and I burn right through mine. Lol!
If you rehydrate the buds to ~ 75-80% RH you can cob them. I used a slice of bread, but someone else used a slice of citrus peel, orange, I believe.
I’m looking at my jars thinking about blended cobs, but first I want to get used to making them. Then I can play with other elements.
We’ve been thinking about including other herbs in the seal for the terpene additions. Lots to play with going forward.
If you rehydrate the buds to ~ 75-80% RH you can cob them. I used a slice of bread, but someone else used a slice of citrus peel, orange, I believe.
I’m looking at my jars thinking about blended cobs, but first I want to get used to making them. Then I can play with other elements.
We’ve been thinking about including other herbs in the seal for the terpene additions. Lots to play with going forward.
Scrogdawg
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Would you have a link to the cobbing thread?
Tangwena's Malawi-Style Cob Cure - Fermented Cannabis
MiOutdoorsman
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That's a nice stash of jars! Hell of a selection 
This made me curious what exactly I have in the stash and so I went and looked.
Yep - serious stash envy
Lol! Have you seen Graytail’s stash?
....hmmm ... no
It might be something like I remember my older brothers stash, once when he said “yeah there’s in a little bit in the cupboard up top in the wheelhouse I think...” (we were on his fishing boat). I went and opened the cupboard and it was full of full jars!! And that was just what was on the boat!
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I know I sound like a dick saying it, (sorry!) but my stash space has been constantly maxed out for the last year or two and, unless I want to have jars of bud spilling over drastically into my main living area, every time I harvest something new I have to reshuffle everything and scratch my head over how to make room. I'm sort of fusssy about what I like smoking. And the stuff I use for trades has to be very good too. I'm always pissing around 'having fun' which means I end up with a lot of harvests that are mediocre or 'interesting' or just 'nice to look at'.
Making skin cream used a lot. Then last month I tried making bubble hash with a bunch of older bud and that wasn't a happy experience cause it sucks seeing a bunch of 12- 18 month cured bud get turned into a few grams of hash.
Next up will be more skin cream. Also I'm thinking maybe more cobs, that are then turned into skin cream.
There's still some question to me of whether the rehydrated bud will work well for cobbing and have the same effect.
I thought the conventional wisdom was that whatever microbes are at work in the curing process die when the bud is too dry, and do not return. I don't know if the same ideas apply to the cobbing ferment.
Actually it was Graytail who I read saying that about the curing process.
Graytail if you're around- you made some comments about that once. And I thought what you said was interesting- but when I went to read it again I never could find it.
It was just your take on how you thought curing works and the processes involved. Microbes, starches, sugars? Fairies and unicorns?
Making skin cream used a lot. Then last month I tried making bubble hash with a bunch of older bud and that wasn't a happy experience cause it sucks seeing a bunch of 12- 18 month cured bud get turned into a few grams of hash.
Next up will be more skin cream. Also I'm thinking maybe more cobs, that are then turned into skin cream.
There's still some question to me of whether the rehydrated bud will work well for cobbing and have the same effect.
I thought the conventional wisdom was that whatever microbes are at work in the curing process die when the bud is too dry, and do not return. I don't know if the same ideas apply to the cobbing ferment.
Actually it was Graytail who I read saying that about the curing process.
Graytail if you're around- you made some comments about that once. And I thought what you said was interesting- but when I went to read it again I never could find it.
It was just your take on how you thought curing works and the processes involved. Microbes, starches, sugars? Fairies and unicorns?
I vaguely remember a conversation, but I don't have any great knowledge of it. It was probably someone else and I was just in the convo.
I do have some experience with curing but it's probably similar to your own. Until you keep buds in a jar with a Boveda for a few years, you don't fully understand a long cure. I've kept a few jars that ended up wetter than the Boveda could handle and I could tell that the buds got a bit fermented. I had a jar of Panama that was piney when I jarred it but went to a pungent over-ripe orange smell. The high was slightly brighter which was unusual and it seemed a bit stronger. So that sounds a little like the cob cure. But I doubt that you could restart that process with cured product.
At one time I had over three pounds of herb in 50+ quart jars. I made a big pyramid out of 'em and took pics.
I do have some experience with curing but it's probably similar to your own. Until you keep buds in a jar with a Boveda for a few years, you don't fully understand a long cure. I've kept a few jars that ended up wetter than the Boveda could handle and I could tell that the buds got a bit fermented. I had a jar of Panama that was piney when I jarred it but went to a pungent over-ripe orange smell. The high was slightly brighter which was unusual and it seemed a bit stronger. So that sounds a little like the cob cure. But I doubt that you could restart that process with cured product.
At one time I had over three pounds of herb in 50+ quart jars. I made a big pyramid out of 'em and took pics.
Was Jar Mountain. An impressive collection. A Ron Swanson amount of weed. 
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I looked up the jar mountain. You smoked all that?? Wow....
As I remember your comments Graytail it was something like
'curing is a process of enzymes in the bud breaking down starches and sugars. That process can't happen if the environment gets too dry, and can't restart.'
That info all could be completely scrambled/wrong and have no basis in reality or anything that you actually said- since it's just some barely remembered thing I read quite a long time ago.
Reality most of the time in my world- if a process is basically invisible, and most of them are, it usually ends up being secretly categorized as 'magic'. Not many botanists or scientists on this forum...
Anyway the magic I've been trying to understand is whether or not dried buds can be fermented or not.
I did up three cobs of Honduras with rehydrated bud. A few days or weeks in the cobs should give a pretty clear idea if anything good is happening in there.
I put an Ace Ethiopian and another Golden Tiger cross seed in to sprout. While I was digging through my seeds I found two seeds labelled 'Golden Tiger x Thai Stick'.
The rest of the GT seeds were just labelled GT-x. But after doing some digging I'm pretty sure the seeds are most likely all the same thing. GT x TS. Which is good news. . A little more Thai in the mix sounds great to me. I'd been worrried it might be some indica cross
I read through a bunch of my second journal to see if I could figure it out.
Looks like I did have a couple nanners around at that time- on the GT and on a Delicous Candy. But the main suspect would be the Thai Stick- because I had a small branch of a male on life support in the flowering room which I sort of tried to isolate -but not very well.
I also had a female Thai Stick around which I treated with colloidal silver. So there was quite a bit of pollen flying around- but mainly Thai pollen
Anyway I've been smoking nothing but the GT cob for the last four days- and have been feeling very high, happy, calm, clear- and basically wandering through the world leaving a small trail of sparkles and fairy dust.
That type of high is kind of a GT thing anyway though- but I was sure the cobbed stuff was way better and a much different high- as in stronger, clearer, trippier, happier.
Anyway- it's the high I'm always looking for. The kind of high that actually just makes me happy in spite of myself.
Like- I smoke this stuff and I feel happy thoughts tugging at me all the time- all on their own.
So.... pretty much exactly the opposite to how things are with me normally
I'll try the non-cobbed GT again soon to see if I'm not just fooling myself about the cob.
Either way I win though.
As I remember your comments Graytail it was something like
'curing is a process of enzymes in the bud breaking down starches and sugars. That process can't happen if the environment gets too dry, and can't restart.'
That info all could be completely scrambled/wrong and have no basis in reality or anything that you actually said- since it's just some barely remembered thing I read quite a long time ago.
Reality most of the time in my world- if a process is basically invisible, and most of them are, it usually ends up being secretly categorized as 'magic'. Not many botanists or scientists on this forum...
Anyway the magic I've been trying to understand is whether or not dried buds can be fermented or not.
I did up three cobs of Honduras with rehydrated bud. A few days or weeks in the cobs should give a pretty clear idea if anything good is happening in there.
I put an Ace Ethiopian and another Golden Tiger cross seed in to sprout. While I was digging through my seeds I found two seeds labelled 'Golden Tiger x Thai Stick'.
The rest of the GT seeds were just labelled GT-x. But after doing some digging I'm pretty sure the seeds are most likely all the same thing. GT x TS. Which is good news. .
A little more Thai in the mix sounds great to me. I'd been worrried it might be some indica crossI read through a bunch of my second journal to see if I could figure it out.
Looks like I did have a couple nanners around at that time- on the GT and on a Delicous Candy. But the main suspect would be the Thai Stick- because I had a small branch of a male on life support in the flowering room which I sort of tried to isolate -but not very well.
I also had a female Thai Stick around which I treated with colloidal silver. So there was quite a bit of pollen flying around- but mainly Thai pollen
Anyway I've been smoking nothing but the GT cob for the last four days- and have been feeling very high, happy, calm, clear- and basically wandering through the world leaving a small trail of sparkles and fairy dust.
That type of high is kind of a GT thing anyway though- but I was sure the cobbed stuff was way better and a much different high- as in stronger, clearer, trippier, happier.
Anyway- it's the high I'm always looking for. The kind of high that actually just makes me happy in spite of myself.
Like- I smoke this stuff and I feel happy thoughts tugging at me all the time- all on their own.
So.... pretty much exactly the opposite to how things are with me normally
I'll try the non-cobbed GT again soon to see if I'm not just fooling myself about the cob.
Either way I win though.
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One of the rehydrated bud cobs. Looks and smells good so far- with that warm sweet pungent smell that the GT cob has.
I trimmed up some P Chunk last night so will try to make up a cob of that later today and then I'll be able to see how fermenting the fresh green wet bud compares.
MiOutdoorsman
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Very cool!
You always give the grooviest reports.
My mini impatient cob is bout 30 hrs in a sealed j@r in my hottub. Report later
My mini impatient cob is bout 30 hrs in a sealed j@r in my hottub. Report later
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Thank you.
I made a cob from the P Chunk which was in the dryer only about 12 hours. Barely time to wilt really.
These smaller PC buds are leafy but the leaf is made out of cotton candy goo.
The fumes coming off this tube of bud are burning my eyes a little.
To me it feels too wet - but I wanted to try the other end of the spectrum since it was commented that my GT buds were a little on the dry side for cobbing.
There was some confusion on the cobbing thread about how wet the buds should be. Some posts said they should be cobbed anywhere from right after harvest to at most the second day of drying. Other info said to dry it till it's almost ready to smoke.
At this point I don't think any of my cobs rate as being at all ideal or 'normal' - but I do think within a couple weeks it will give me a good idea of this fermentation business.
It all really comes back to that Thai bud that we used to get when I first started smoking.
As a teenage chick I imprinted on that bud and to me it's the holy grail and baseline of what all bud should be.
That pot was brown, sometimes with blackish/grey tones. It was not in any discernible shape of buds, but more fused together and you could separate and pull flakes and chunks of it apart. That lovely peppery smell and clear trippy high.
So I remembered this morn I had about three ounces of Mama Thai out in the shed at around 80% RH for the last three days. It needed more water added to it to get the point of feeling moist.
I threw cobbing protocol to the wind and just glommed the Thai bud into a bud loaf monstrosity. I added a few corn husks taken from off of the GT cobs. I also tossed in some of the PC buds. I will remove those later cause they're not the ones I want to smoke.
I'm guessing what they do in Thailand is just stack, hang, or layer the bud up on racks in the open under thatch roofs and let it stew/dry naturally as best as the environment allows there. It's usually 100% humidity there and often hovers around 40°C -depending greatly of course on where/when you are there.
I never got to see the harvest process firsthand cause I obviously didn't have my priorities straight while I was living there. But the bud was the same stuff I got in BC as a kid.
Anyway- my Thai bud loaf has all the ingredients I can give it for fermentation and we will see if the cured bud still has what it needs to go ahead and ferment.
This will be all my cobbing for a while unless I decide to cob a bunch of P Chunk. Not sure what the result of an indica cob would be like.
I made a cob from the P Chunk which was in the dryer only about 12 hours. Barely time to wilt really.
These smaller PC buds are leafy but the leaf is made out of cotton candy goo.
The fumes coming off this tube of bud are burning my eyes a little.
To me it feels too wet - but I wanted to try the other end of the spectrum since it was commented that my GT buds were a little on the dry side for cobbing.
There was some confusion on the cobbing thread about how wet the buds should be. Some posts said they should be cobbed anywhere from right after harvest to at most the second day of drying. Other info said to dry it till it's almost ready to smoke.
At this point I don't think any of my cobs rate as being at all ideal or 'normal' - but I do think within a couple weeks it will give me a good idea of this fermentation business.
It all really comes back to that Thai bud that we used to get when I first started smoking.
As a teenage chick I imprinted on that bud and to me it's the holy grail and baseline of what all bud should be.
That pot was brown, sometimes with blackish/grey tones. It was not in any discernible shape of buds, but more fused together and you could separate and pull flakes and chunks of it apart. That lovely peppery smell and clear trippy high.
So I remembered this morn I had about three ounces of Mama Thai out in the shed at around 80% RH for the last three days. It needed more water added to it to get the point of feeling moist.
I threw cobbing protocol to the wind and just glommed the Thai bud into a bud loaf monstrosity. I added a few corn husks taken from off of the GT cobs. I also tossed in some of the PC buds. I will remove those later cause they're not the ones I want to smoke.
I'm guessing what they do in Thailand is just stack, hang, or layer the bud up on racks in the open under thatch roofs and let it stew/dry naturally as best as the environment allows there. It's usually 100% humidity there and often hovers around 40°C -depending greatly of course on where/when you are there.
I never got to see the harvest process firsthand cause I obviously didn't have my priorities straight while I was living there. But the bud was the same stuff I got in BC as a kid.
Anyway- my Thai bud loaf has all the ingredients I can give it for fermentation and we will see if the cured bud still has what it needs to go ahead and ferment.
This will be all my cobbing for a while unless I decide to cob a bunch of P Chunk. Not sure what the result of an indica cob would be like.
You should do at least 1 of the PC`s...in the name of science!......cheerz...h00k...
...cheerz...h00k...