Vapedogg223 Goes True High Brix

[Vapedogg223]

Looking good Vape, they're about to take off on you....enjoy the show

Yup! Doc's kit can finally start doing it's magic!

 

[Cultivator]

hey mate, thanks.

Was wondering, do u start up the lights at 750w or do u start at 1000w and dim down. My ballast damages the bulbs if i start at 600w or 750w or the super lumens. its recomended to ignite at 1000w then dim or turn up once bulb is warm.

Just interested in the type of ballast u are using and how u use it. thanks.

Also im interested to know how u make ur soil and what u put in it?

 

[Doc Bud]

Hey everyone! I transplanted into the 7 gallon pots last night, and not one minute too early...they were running out of steam despite the feedings with hydrolyzed fish! Of course I took a couple pics during the transplant...

I've used hydroton for a while on the tops of my containers. In Air-Pots, the soil settling around the balls creates little concave holes that help the water absorb without draining out the sides. They also keep the tops of the containers from drying out...something thats very important in small containers. Normally the top portion of the container doesn't really get used by the plant because it dries out first.

It's not all that easy to see here, but with the hydroton on the surface you'll find roots immediately under the clay balls...They don't show up all that great in the photo, but if you look closely with the hydroton removed, you can see the roots right on the surface.

You can also see roots right to the top of the container here.

And with the Root Zone applied...

And of course, they were watered in with Transplant Water, per the instructions... Here they are, all cozy in their new containers!

So...they'll only get better from here now that they are in the purpose-built soil!

Now comes the spraying! It looks like the regiment is 3 times a week, twice with Stress, and once with Brix. I'm thinking I should start with Stress...then Brix, and go from there.

Doc, feel free to chime in as much or as little as you want here...all advice is appreciated! And now my first question about the sprays... When foliar feeding, I'd normally watch the temps...preferably spraying just before lights on so I know the stomata are open. Should I use these sprays the same way?

Well, that's where things are at...thanks everyone!

Hey Vape!

They look nice!

Generally speaking I spray Brix once a week and Stress as needed, no more than twice a week. If the leaves look perfect, there's no need to spray with Stress.

Also, you should wash them off with leaf wash---there are various brands and DIY out there---twice. Once mid-bloom and again about a week before harvest.

As far as when you spray, I've done it lights on, lights off, middle of the night....you name it. The sprays are very acidic, in order to get through the waxy barrier you're going to see on your leaves before long. You really don't need to worry much more than mixing it up right.

Brix tends to grow some weird stuff if you let it sit for a few days. Mix that one up fresh.

 

[Vapedogg223]

hey mate, thanks.

Was wondering, do u start up the lights at 750w or do u start at 1000w and dim down. My ballast damages the bulbs if i start at 600w or 750w or the super lumens. its recomended to ignite at 1000w then dim or turn up once bulb is warm.

Just interested in the type of ballast u are using and how u use it. thanks.

Also im interested to know how u make ur soil and what u put in it?

I've been using a Lumatek for a couple of years now. I use 1000 watt bulbs, and just set it to whatever wattage I want and forget about it, the timer does the rest. It's started several different bulbs at various wattage settings, including the Super Lumens setting, without incident.

The soil I'm using is ProMix HP that has been ammended spacifically for High Brix growing. Doc's been working for some time testing soils and figuring out the best way to use the foliar sprays, and put everything into a kit for us. I'm just getting started, but you can better see his kit in action here: In The Lab. I mix my soil with a cement mixer, and then put it in garbage cans to let it cook.

 

[Vapedogg223]

Hey Vape!

They look nice!

Generally speaking I spray Brix once a week and Stress as needed, no more than twice a week. If the leaves look perfect, there's no need to spray with Stress.

Also, you should wash them off with leaf wash---there are various brands and DIY out there---twice. Once mid-bloom and again about a week before harvest.

As far as when you spray, I've done it lights on, lights off, middle of the night....you name it. The sprays are very acidic, in order to get through the waxy barrier you're going to see on your leaves before long. You really don't need to worry much more than mixing it up right.

Brix tends to grow some weird stuff if you let it sit for a few days. Mix that one up fresh.

Thanks Doc! That's good news with the sprays...one less thing I can screw up! I'll also pick up a leaf wash.

 

[Curso]

Thanks Doc! That's good news with the sprays...one less thing I can screw up! I'll also pick up a leaf wash.

I think you might have already done the hardest part of the kit already...the wait for the soil, that's only because it takes a month...lol It's really cruise control from here on out bro. I believe that you are in the beginning stages of being a really happy guy (for the middle of the winter).

 

[Doc Bud]

I think you might have already done the hardest part of the kit already...the wait for the soil, that's only because it takes a month...lol It's really cruise control from here on out bro. I believe that you are in the beginning stages of being a really happy guy (for the middle of the winter).

I'm working on a "No waiting" version of the kit. Basically, by mixing a cup of Root Zone per gallon of soil, you have pre-cooked ready to go High Brix Soil...I think.

So I'm going to try a few starts in Promix HP with a cup of Root Zone per gallon and see what happens. The idea is that while the soil is cooking, you can still get your plants started in high brix soil.

For a person like me, who clones what I prune before blooming the plants, having high brix from the beginning is super important. It's hard to lose a cutting in high brix. They root like Jack Herer rabbits!

The "no waiting" version will cost a bit more, and I'll offer as an option for those who want to grow without waiting. This is especially attractive for people who need production and can't afford to wait a month.

 

[Vapedogg223]

Here's a heads up on the sprays:

Use them up until a week or 10 days before harvest. During the last week or so, spray the plants with a "wash" designed to remove residue from the leaves.

I'm getting a very slight taste this last harvest, and I'm sure it's because I sprayed right up to the end and didn't wash the plants. The high brix program has a spray for exactly this, which I do not use. I might try theirs and include it in the kit if the SNS stuff doesn't work well.

You know...I had forgotten that at least one of my prize packages came with the wash.

I like the DIY idea that you posted in your journal as well!

Well, I anticipated this thread becoming a bit of a support thread for people using my kit. That may still happen, but it appears no one is having any trouble and are quite happy with the results? I sure hope so. If not, please let me know what's going on.

I am going to add an instruction:

Discontinue sprays one week before harvest, IE spray them the last time when you think they're ready, then wait a week.

Now we're going to introduce a new foliar spray: the leaf wash.

Using a leaf wash from SNS, produce wash you can buy at the organic market, or make you own: 1 tablespoon lemon juice, 2 tablespoons baking soda, and 1 cup water in a spray bottle, spray the plants thoroughly once in mid bloom and then a final time 2 days after their final spray of the high brix foliars Stress and Brix.

So, to summarize, in addition to regular sprayings of Stress and Brix, use the produce wash ounce in mid bloom and then a final time 2 days after the final spraying of Brix.

Tnanks to all who have purchased kits. I haven't had any negative feedback yet, but I sure hope if there are any problems people will share them so I can correct the situation. These kits are beta's. The final product will need to have my 100% confidence. So, let just say a huge thankyou to everyone who is testing these kits for me.

I know you'll also grow some amazing weed in the process....so it's all good!

Thanks brother!

 

[Vapedogg223]

Well, It's been a week since they were moved into the 7 gallon pots. Their growth seemed to slow quite a bit with the transplant, so I'm guessing they were making roots!

If you recall, I could tell the girls had used up everything in those tiny pots just before I transplanted. Well, those next 2 days I started seeing some deficiencies. I was waiting for it, but there's not much to do really, just let the roots grow into the new soil, and it will take care of itself. I didn't see any new signs after the second day, so I suspect it will be all be good from here. Some of the lower fan leaves look a little rough though.

There's not a whole lot going on, so I only took a couple pics.

I'm working on getting the RH up...but due to the fresh air exchange during lights on, it seems the best I can do is ~50% with the humidifier running constantly.

I guess that's better than 20%...but I think I'm going to have to wait for the new room to do any better.

 

[Doc Bud]

50% should be just fine. They look like they need some energy bro. Also, definitely spray with Stress. Did they have really sharp posture before they were root bound?

If so, you're right, they're just making roots. I sure hope that's the case!

 

[luvsmokinweed]

Can anyone answer this mystery of a question I posted in my blog!! My Plant (Age: 2 1/2 weeks) Had burnt tips within hours after I installed my cfl today!?!?

 

[Hash Hound]

Vape

I don't know if I missed it reading, but when you topped them, how many nodes up did you do it? They look like they are gonna have a nice canopy.

Are you gonna top again?

And how long you gonna give them to veg before you flip to 12/12?

 

[Vapedogg223]

50% should be just fine. They look like they need some energy bro. Also, definitely spray with Stress. Did they have really sharp posture before they were root bound?

If so, you're right, they're just making roots. I sure hope that's the case!

Yeah, I think it's just a case of too much plant and not enough roots at the moment...that's why I didn't want to give them the energy with the first watering before the roots stretched a bit, and I had a chance to see how they would react to the new soil. Perhaps that was a mistake. I wanted to give them the first feeding today, but the soil is still on the moist side from the watering a few of days ago...I was thinking I should let them dry out a bit, but this soil seems to drain exceptionally well. Do you think I should hit them with the energy anyway?

The first two sprayings were with Stress, and they were sprayed with Brix for the first time shortly before those pics were taken...the leaves are still twisted up a bit in those pics from that spraying.

Hash asked a good question too...I'm not in a rush, so I'm wondering if maybe I should top them again. This strain/pheno seems to love to stretch, so I'm thinking the bushier the better. Of course by keeping them short, they would also have more time to veg in the High Brix soil.

Sorry, I feel like I normally have a better idea on what I want to do, but I'm a bit preoccupied with a stinking blizzard also hauling ass straight for us! I've been preparing as best I could, but they are predicting as much as 2 feet of snow and 65 mph wind gusts starting tonight, and well into Saturday. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we don't loose power. I have generators, but the last big outage we had was for a week, so the challenge becomes getting enough gas to keep them running when none of the gas stations have power...I have enough gasoline to run the generators for a few days...after that my grow comes to an abrupt halt if I can't get more!

 

[Vapedogg223]

Vape

I don't know if I missed it reading, but when you topped them, how many nodes up did you do it? They look like they are gonna have a nice canopy.

Are you gonna top again?

And how long you gonna give them to veg before you flip to 12/12?

I don't think you missed it, I topped them before the journal went up, so I don't think I mentioned it...if memory serves, it was maybe 7 nodes. Like I was saying, topping them again sounds like it might be a good idea...I just don't know yet. I guess the flip will depend on weather or not I top them again. If I don't, I'll have to flip before too long though, so I don't run out of headroom.

How are you doing bro? Are you in the path of this Blizzard?

 

[Vapedogg223]

Can anyone answer this mystery of a question I posted in my blog!! My Plant (Age: 2 1/2 weeks) Had burnt tips within hours after I installed my cfl today!?!?

To 420 Magazine bro! Unfortunately there's no way to even attempt to answer that question without a lot more data...if you start a thread over in Frequently Asked Questions I'll be glad to take a look though. Just make sure you read How to Ask for Grow Support, and provide as much info as possible, including pics!

 

[H-factor]

If you decide to give them some engery. I would at least leave one out just to see how well the new soil holds up.

 

[luvsmokinweed]

Ok I get ya!! Give me a few mins!!

 

[Curso]

Energy will green them up in a couple hours, you can almost watch them change color, its a pretty cool product. The soil is designed to have it

 

[luvsmokinweed]

Energy will green them up in a couple hours, you can almost watch them change color, its a pretty cool product. The soil is designed to have it

Where would I get this "energy" you speak of?

 

[shottafire]

If you dont mind i would love to follow along vapedogg.
I hope these girls dont give you anymore difficulties and just shower you with goodness.

keep em green bud.