Unforgiven's - Picture-A-Day - Barney's Critical Kush - DWC

This is all good info! The only thing I'd point out is that not all nutes will lower PH. Silica, for example, will raise the PH. But, either way, you should always mix all of your nutes and then adjust PH LAST!

+REPS for this post! :goodjob:

I also recommend following the nute manufacturer's dosage recommendations to start, and then adjust by reading the plants.

Don't try to "force-feed" more nutes than she wants and if you start seeing some burning tips, back off the PPM's.
:Namaste:

Thank you Mr.Krip . I love it when I see people coming together ! I will also say I didn't know that about silica :). So I learned something new today .
 
well i can see this is gonna take awhile to type lol....

ok firstly hey birdie thanks for popping in!!!

now i'll make it simple and thank both no pain and mr krip now for all the advice. if i mix up who said what, it aint on purpose, you guys didn't make a response easy lol.

1: de-chlorinating. i didn't think of how easy it would be for me to set out a bucket of water for a couple days, thought it would be a pain in the butt. however, i do my res change the same time every week, within a day or two, mon or tues. so that's easy actually, no preplanning involved at all, just fillerup on saturday.

2: nute order. yep, i always put the nutes in the right order per mfg suggestion. however, good point on rinsing the measure out, something i haven't been doing in between each nute. i know about nute lockout, but hadn't considered it for the measure, dunno why, lol. definately giving it a stir after each one though, + the airstone churning.

3: PH after nutes. well up to this point that is what i have done, this week i've been pondering ph some before and finish after, but "as said above if i ph- first, my new stuff drops the ph too low. so now, i nute up, then ph it all together." is what i said yesterday, along with the thought of splitting the ph timing, some before some after, but alas, good advice, don't do that, lol.

4: ppms falling + ppm levels. yep, i understand both of your points on that. and yes, happy to report day 2 of roots in water, the nutes have dropped again, so she is using em. i won't raise em on next res change, cuz she is still teeny meeny. but i will watch and see how she does through the week obviously lol, and if she needs an adjust, i will do so, even if it means an impromptu res change, idc if i need to do that.

5: too soon in the bucket + wool vs rooters. yep, she was def in the bucket too soon, to be honest though, i thought i had that covered with the drip ring constantly pumping from the res to the top feed ring. like i said, i took the wool off cuz i distrust it period. and she was throwing roots, but the hydroton, created a barrier for her to lay the roots up on, with no fear of running out of water, cuz she was getting it constant from above, so the roots didn't go searching for the water source. it was almost like a spiders web of roots sitting on hydroton near the bottom of the pot, with none reaching through it. so that got fixed. then i had the water touching the bottom of the net too long, or maybe a hair to high? so, again, the roots weren't hungry. read something in someone's journal (might have even been here as advice lol) and something clicked in the brain....roots need to search, same as soil, if the outer ring of the pot is dry all the time, there's no reason for the roots to go there. least that's how my brain processed it once it clicked. rapid rooters will definately be coming as soon as i can get em. they just look like a better option for me.

6: ph - and nute strength. yep, i have ph- now, so vinegar is done with, never did lemons. i started her on 1/2 strength mfg nutes wk 1 veg. first res change she got full week 1 veg. second res change(last week)she got week 2 full nutes. now, a lil bit more on this, my nute line mfg has come out with new schedules, called basic and extreme. i think i will run through veg 3 basic for 2 weeks, then up it to extreme week 3 veg on the third week, we'll see what the res ppms look like when i mix it up. if its way too wonky i won't use it. but, i got some balls.so i'm willing to try as long as she has come up quite a bit by then. that and i'm willing to mix it half strength by mixing a second bucket of water if i need to.

so, that's my reply.

again, many thanks to both of you, it is very appreciated that you took the time to #1 give a rat's ass, and #2 type out the great advice.

update coming in a couple minutes, gotta change floors, lol.

have fun eh

Your welcome Unforgiven . First I would like to say aren't we all here on this board because we give a rats ass :) .
Second sounds like you have her all undercontrol .
The only thing I will add is that in the beginning say like the first 10 days from seed I don't give mine anything but water to encourage roots to go out on patrol of a food source as these babies have stored energy to do this and it's what works for me .
 
She's looking pretty , do you mind if I rub on her leaves a little ? Hehe :)
 
hey mono, turbo, no pain, and everyone else looking in, thanks for caring.

no pain, idk if i could honestly say i have it all under control, but i am trying, and learning by doing. best way to learn, get up off yer butt and do it eh.

so, day 34 here at the ranch. she is doing good. was gone out for a long while today, so she was unsupervised lol.

the stats: T: 73.2...RH: 47....PH: 6.3....REST: 66.1....PPM: 832

the pic....
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yep, we can see some steady growth happening now folks.

have fun eh
 
hmmm looking at the pic on here the newer growth looks slightly lightish, but doesn't appear that way to the eye. could be the led playing trix on my pix too i guess. or she could be saying "hey change my res tomorrow please".
 
hey mono, turbo, no pain, and everyone else looking in, thanks for caring.

no pain, idk if i could honestly say i have it all under control, but i am trying, and learning by doing. best way to learn, get up off yer butt and do it eh.

so, day 34 here at the ranch. she is doing good. was gone out for a long while today, so she was unsupervised lol.

the stats: T: 73.2...RH: 47....PH: 6.3....REST: 66.1....PPM: 832

the pic....
20160814_223752.jpg


yep, we can see some steady growth happening now folks.

have fun eh

She is looking good and yep she is getting ready to take off here . I can feel it . You do have it under control and you are learning as we all do . She is still alive , she's growing and she's looking good . I would call that undercontrol . :)
 
well on day 35 she got another res change here......let me just prepare to be yelled at, lol

have decided to use mfg's "extreme" liquid nutes chart rather than "basic". they have at some point come out with this new chart. so i am risking it and running with it, lol.

now, i know ya'll are gonna say "wtf is this nutjob doing". rightfully so. go ahead, i can take it, lol. i am nuts. i enjoy the growing and the playing and the trickery we get to do with these girls.

and justification here.....1 the mfg has obviously tested their nutes at this extreme level. right? if not, i guess i'm a guinea pig lol.

and 2, i was on week 2 veg nutes already giving me almost 1k ppms on the last bucket. she is thriving. so, i backed it up to week 1 extreme which bumps up the ppms from where i was.and that is what you guy's will bark about. it's ok, i will watch her tonight and tomorrow closely, and if need be i will dilute it by half, making it half strength week 1 veg then.

so enough stalling....here's the stats after res change. T: 73.2...RH: 53....PH: 5.6....REST: 62.2....PPM: 1620 calm down now. it'll be ok.

i am watching her....

and having fun eh


hehehe almost forgot the day's pic lol
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well on day 35 she got another res change here......let me just prepare to be yelled at, lol

have decided to use mfg's "extreme" liquid nutes chart rather than "basic". they have at some point come out with this new chart. so i am risking it and running with it, lol.

now, i know ya'll are gonna say "wtf is this nutjob doing". rightfully so. go ahead, i can take it, lol. i am nuts. i enjoy the growing and the playing and the trickery we get to do with these girls.

and justification here.....1 the mfg has obviously tested their nutes at this extreme level. right? if not, i guess i'm a guinea pig lol.

and 2, i was on week 2 veg nutes already giving me almost 1k ppms on the last bucket. she is thriving. so, i backed it up to week 1 extreme which bumps up the ppms from where i was.and that is what you guy's will bark about. it's ok, i will watch her tonight and tomorrow closely, and if need be i will dilute it by half, making it half strength week 1 veg then.

so enough stalling....here's the stats after res change. T: 73.2...RH: 53....PH: 5.6....REST: 62.2....PPM: 1620 calm down now. it'll be ok.

i am watching her....

and having fun eh


hehehe almost forgot the day's pic lol
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WTF is this nut job doing??? :rofl:

Dude, 1620 seems VERY high to me for that little girl, but like Turbostang said, if it works...:tokin:

You might want to consider upping the PPM's more gradually. Those big jumps usually don't have good endings and you're not being paid enough to be their guinea pig! ;)
 
gonna be checking on her in a few minutes, first since res change. been just over 3 hours.

it is high.

i am nervous

guess we'll see eh
 
well on day 35 she got another res change here......let me just prepare to be yelled at, lol

have decided to use mfg's "extreme" liquid nutes chart rather than "basic". they have at some point come out with this new chart. so i am risking it and running with it, lol.

now, i know ya'll are gonna say "wtf is this nutjob doing". rightfully so. go ahead, i can take it, lol. i am nuts. i enjoy the growing and the playing and the trickery we get to do with these girls.

and justification here.....1 the mfg has obviously tested their nutes at this extreme level. right? if not, i guess i'm a guinea pig lol.

and 2, i was on week 2 veg nutes already giving me almost 1k ppms on the last bucket. she is thriving. so, i backed it up to week 1 extreme which bumps up the ppms from where i was.and that is what you guy's will bark about. it's ok, i will watch her tonight and tomorrow closely, and if need be i will dilute it by half, making it half strength week 1 veg then.

so enough stalling....here's the stats after res change. T: 73.2...RH: 53....PH: 5.6....REST: 62.2....PPM: 1620 calm down now. it'll be ok.

i am watching her....

and having fun eh


hehehe almost forgot the day's pic lol
20160815_172200.jpg

Well I'm not going to yell I'm going to scream THATS FUCKING HIGH FOR THST STAGE ! And that's more of like a holy shit kinda scream .
Like I have said everyone has their own way of doing things me I just never get close to that number . My theory is sometimes less is more , that's why I pay attention to how they feed to regulate how strong I make my solution.

In regards to the mfg having tested it . I'm sure they have to some extent . But what you might not be looking at and this may sting a little depending on how you take it . Is in there testing it could be close to the max before you start burning plants up and it takes more nutes to get that high ..so umm if you follow the max you run out of nutes faster and they make their money selling you more :) .

Now the reason I do what I do is at any given stage your plants appetite is going to be so big and they have a max that they will uptake . Just like us when we are starving we have a maximum that we can eat . It doesn't matter if there is 100 lbs of grade A beef cooked perfectly sitting in front of us we are only going to be able to stuff ourselves with so much over a given period of time . So with running nutes the high side without tip burn . What you would be accomplishing is that it has the nutes available to it to eat it's heart out even if it is only at a 700ppm level of feasting . The draw back is in the fluctuation of the ph of the nute solution and the further rise in ppm when it only consumes water. In other words the res can become a toxic environment faster .

But I know you love her and have the best intentions and like me you like to push the envelope , but sometimes ..okay most of the time ..mm na really all of the time we don't stop until we push it over the edge and establish where that boundary is at . Lol
 
gotta remember that this is their week 1 veg nutes on the chart eh.

just thought about that. like i said b4, they must have tested their charts before releasing them right?
 
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