The Proper Way To Water A Potted Plant

Thanks great one. My crown royals are doing great thanks to your tips
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Hi @brownredroost and welcome to the forum! Yes, the only time you really have to carefully adjust your pH within the narrow confines of the soil or hydro pH ranges, is when you are dealing with nutrients that are ready to be taken up to into the plants, but are locked up for storage in salt chemical bonds, that need the solution to be within a certain range for the nutes to become available.
ED is a special product that doesn't use any of that science, it is a micro-fine mixture of all of the raw nutrients that your plants will need. There are no salt bonds, and actually in the form it is in, it is not available to the plant. This is where the microbes come in, and the ED even has special nutrients in it specifically in the form that the microbes need. ED feeds the soil, and feeds the microbes, but take special note of this, it does not directly feed the plants. To complete this process, you need the microbes to step up and do their job.
In a typical super soil that has been taken care of to keep alive, ie it has not been allowed to go bone dry for an extended length of time, and you are supplying it with clean non chemically treated water, you will have plenty of microbes alive and well already in there. Give them the food in the ED, and the right microbes will thrive, and you should be able to get through the entire grow with just water.
These days there are some new tools for the organic farmer so as to help supply new microbes to your soil periodically. In the past, it was necessary to brew AACTs, actively aerated compost teas, so as to culture and incubate the proper microbes, but now you can buy them. There are several products out there that supply these microbes in very abundant numbers and up until now the liquid products were almost prohibitively costly for a lot of us, but many are using these products such as Voodoo Juice and URB. I have recently found a dry product that you add to water to instantly produce a very strong mix of all of the very best species of microbes that specialize in the elements that we need to grow pot, and it is comparatively very cheap. Look up RealGrower's Recharge, and this stuff is so alive that they laugh at even chlorinated tap water, saying that it wont significantly disrupt the population. Systems like this allow you to very easily replenish the micro life and keep things strongly on track, especially when working with a highly mineralized supersoil, or a system where you add in the micro-nutrients such as you get with Earth Dust.
I have a question, I'm going in to week 4 of flower. Is it too late to add ED? I'm growing in Happy Frog and using Fox Farms complete line up.
 
I have a question, I'm going in to week 4 of flower. Is it too late to add ED? I'm growing in Happy Frog and using Fox Farms complete line up.
Using the FoxFarm system, everything that you add to your soil with the exception of Big Bloom is highly synthetic. Absolutely you must adjust to the correct pH and while there are a nice load of microbes that come in with every shot of Big Bloom, they are not expected to survive longer than till the next watering. Fox Farm is not an organic grow, and does not rely on the microbes to feed to plants... you are feeding from the bottle. ED would just mostly sit there in that soil, not able to be processed and along with the FF system, I think it would be mostly a waste of money. I am not saying that it would not help a little, but not like in a purely organic grow. I think you are supposed to apply the ED 3 times during the grow, but mid flower is probably too late to get any real benefit from spending all that money.
I ran the FF system for many years, using the trio and the 3 solubles. It is a good system as it is, and adding any of their additional products will just further enhance the system you are using. Dance with the one who brought you as they say... I don't think you really need anything else.
 
Hello @Emilya .

It's probably mentioned in this thread but I'm growing in Cannes Terra soil and I'm feeding at around 6-6.4 ph, should I give feed with every watering or should I do the coco method of 1/4 strength of notes with every watering, I'm using organic nutrients barring 1 bottle.

Thanks .
 
Hello @Emilya .

It's probably mentioned in this thread but I'm growing in Cannes Terra soil and I'm feeding at around 6-6.4 ph, should I give feed with every watering or should I do the coco method of 1/4 strength of notes with every watering, I'm using organic nutrients barring 1 bottle.

Thanks .
There are many accepted methods of feeding, the method you described, the Lucas method... but I like to trust the makers of their stuff and follow their directions. Typically nutes work like this. You are recommended to water once with nutes mixed in, and then the next time, sometimes the next two times, you give pH adjusted water. So I would probably want to do it the way they suggest.
The reasoning behind this is that on the first pass the plant does not use all of the nutes supplied. The unused portion is still sitting in that soil. So if you water the next time and once again set the container pH to 6.3, the nutes are once again activated and more of them are uptaken into the plant. This also cleans out the soil so that nutrients do not build up, knocking the pH out of whack and messing up mulder's interactions.
 
Thank you buddy I'm still getting used to soil I will eventually get there .

Am I okay to feed my Root Juice with it very watering just so I can help build my Root system up?

Thanks for that into though buddy!
 
Thank you buddy I'm still getting used to soil I will eventually get there .

Am I okay to feed my Root Juice with it very watering just so I can help build my Root system up?

Thanks for that into though buddy!
yes, the root juice is good stuff.... I would try to use more of it.
 
Have you ever used Mammoth P? Looking at getting 120ml but it's quite expensive.
There are a lot of these finishers out there... Our sponsor Turpinator is one of them... I have a several year supply now after winning MOTM. :) I used to really give big kudos to FoxFarms ChaChing soluble, it was the same sort of thing. You got to be careful though because these products can artificially extend the flowering cycle. There is a point where to get them to finish it is helpful to stop giving this supplement and raise or dim the lights a bit to tell the plant to get on with things. It is remarkable what these tools can do for you if implemented with properly timed intent.
 
Versai, this thread is not a comparison of container or soil vs hydro, but to answer your question, think of hydro like being force fed via tubes in the hospital. It is possible to make the patient grow, and even thrive under this intense care. The debate isn't whether it is possible to create great roots via hydro, because it is. This is a thread about what happens in closed containers, and how to properly water, not how to run a carefully controlled hydro operation. It is not a mystery that hydro methods which call for applying chelated nutes directly to the roots, produces quality roots, good weight and quality buds. Hydro however is unnatural and everything that the plants get nutritionally is something that either you or the nutrient manufacturers provided to them, force feeding the plants what you think the plants need and forcing them to comply with your feeding schedule.

Is a pot of regular soil, watered with synthetic nutes superior to hydro? Probably not. Is hydro superior to a totally organic container grow, where the plant makes all the decisions and has everything it could possibly need in the soil, waiting for the plant to use it? It is not even close. A hydro crop will taste artificial, mine will not. Hydro may have produced more weight, but arguably, organic soil produces the best tasting and highest quality product, and in my mind, that makes it superior.
And this is exactly why I'm going full organic next time around!! You are very inspirational
 
The Proper Way to Water a Potted Plant
Also covered: the importance of pH and why we successively up-pot


How to Water
Over the last several years I have put a lot of study into this, and I feel that I can now define the proper way to water a potted plant. Keep in mind that this discussion applies to at least 3 gallon containers and bigger. Please realize that this special plant of ours does not grow like anything else you have ever tried to grow, and no matter how good you are at growing peas, beans and tomatoes, you will have to change your methods to grow a weed.


The first rule of watering is to always water slowly, using no more than a quart at a time, pausing often to let the soil suck air in behind the water as it pools on the top. For me, that involves a routine of watering each of my plants with 1 quart, then taking a nice relaxing drink of whatever beverage I have brought with me to the tent. Then I take a deep breath, making sure to exhale deeply onto this plant, letting her know that I love her. After this, I take a nice big hit off of the pipe that also followed me into the tent, and then after a nice pause and maybe another drink, I go back to plant #1 and repeat the cycle. For 2 rounds, I water the entire surface of the soil, watching it pool up and get sucked down.


After this initial wetting of the top, my watering method changes a bit. Now, I want to do whatever I can to make the outside edges of the container, the wettest areas. Still only using a quart at a time, I now carefully water only there, all around the plant, only on the edges. While doing this, I slow down a bit so that the water doesn't pool as much in the center, always concentrating on the edges. The center will end up getting some too, and that's fine, but the wettest areas of the pot will be on the outside edges and you will be driving nutrient rich soil into the dense original root ball. Continue this, again going slow, maybe with a deep breath in the middle of it, and then continue all around, taking drinks, deep breaths and hits in between each round. Continue until you see the first signs of runoff, and then stop.


Look carefully at the surface of your container now. You will clearly see where the root ball is from your last transplant, because it will now be sticking up just a little bit above the original outer rim. Very fine soil has been driven through the original root ball with the flow of water and soil from the outer edges. This micro fine soil is very rich with nutrients because of its mobility. When you water from the outside edges, you force this micro fine sludge into the dense root ball, where it can do the most good. Once you establish this flow pattern in the container, you can be assured of totally replacing the micro soil in the center of the root ball with new soil, every time you water. Watering in the normal way does not create his circular flow, and root growth cannot be nearly as aggressive.
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Lastly, take one last quart of water, and water very very slowly, just in the raised area where the original root ball is. As you do so, watch what happens at the outer edge of the original root ball.

You will see the very finest soil, almost a mud, migrating out of the old root ball, and into the middle! This completes the process of soil exchange in the container. In this manner, all the roots get to take advantage of the nutrients in the soil, and the roots follow the migration of the nutrient rich soil, toward the outer edges, creating lateral growth. I strive to actively drive the soil out of the middle, making room for the roots to grow more dense and bigger there, and as they do, the lateral growth also has to increase. Using this method, I have seen a steady increase in the amount of water needed to get to run off throughout the grow and by the end, plants watered in this way use approximately 30% more water than is seen using standard watering techniques. Watering in the manner I have described allows for a constant circular flow of soil throughout the container and will create an extremely dense root ball.
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Now it is time for a truism. It is best to water the roots, not the plant. A healthy and robust root system means a happy and productive plant. Neglect the roots and your plants can die, and certainly will be less than they could have been.

When do we water?
By far, one of the most common plant problems that I see with new gardeners is a lack of understanding as to when to water. New people get it set in their mind that watering every day or every other day is best, or that somehow, mysteriously, they know in their own human minds exactly how much water the plants need. These well-meaning new gardeners will determine that they will give exactly one quart or some other random amount, each time, no more... and no less, and really believe that they are doing a good thing for their plants, making these decisions for them.
Just as bad as these over-thinkers are the tomato gardeners, the "stick your finger in the ground" crowd, who proclaim: it's time to water when it is dry below the second knuckle. What they fail to realize is that when the top 2 inches is dry, the lower half of the container could still be saturated with water. Both of these common mistakes in watering methods are quick ways to drown your plants. These methods are not correct for growing weeds, and using them can actually kill your plants.


Marijuana is a weed, and the main thing that this scientific term refers to, is a class of plant that thrives in adversity. In order to grow it well, you need to understand that this incredibly robust plant works differently than other, less hardy plants. It is an extremely aggressive grower if you allow it to be, and to grow prize winning pot, you need to use its abilities to send out new roots to your advantage.


Watering incorrectly is the most common mistake that new weed farmers make. This plant needs a clear wet/dry cycle in order to thrive. If you keep it moist, you will kill it. The roots will aggressively chase your water, whatever you give them. If you just give a small amount every couple of days, that water will drop right to the bottom of the container. Your roots will follow, and will cluster on the bottom, instead of growing laterally throughout the container, and since they continually sit in the nutrient rich water, the plant sees little need to grow additional roots. How you water makes a huge difference in the formation of the root ball, and how this development happens is up to you.


There are many ways to tell when it is time to water, and if you wait long enough the girls will actually tell you that they are thirsty. They do two things when they see that they need water, they throw out a smell, and they begin to wilt, starting at the bottom, moving up. You can also use the lift method to tell when the container is dry, and almost always you will "feel" a dry container, before the above mentioned wilt and fragrance pump happens. Rusty Trichome taught me an important lesson; every time I think that I need to do something to my plants, I wait a bit... and I try to move at the speed that my plants are moving. "Patience, above all else." --Rusty


If you have a moisture meter you can also use it to find where the wet/dry (water table) line is in your container, and you can watch that wet/dry line move down over time. I used to graph my water table level by day, so that I could project ahead when the wet dry line would reach the last inch of container. Your wet/dry line will never go lower than that last inch or so, because once you get down in there, you are in all the big tap roots and mass at the bottom, and it tends to stay wet there longer because of capillary effect. Again, if you wait for the first sign of wilt and that perfume pump that happens at "water me" point, it will usually be just a bit longer than your measurements would indicate. Once the water table line is anywhere in that bottom inch is ok to water. You have dried out 95% of the water by that time and the roots have been chasing it as the wet/dry line progresses both downward and outward. The suction caused by the diaphragm that is the water table, will have pulled oxygen down deep into the container, and filled any voids. The roots will be happy.


Why do we up-pot?
The art of successive up-potting is important in growing a healthy root system. People like to be lazy. I am constantly seeing new gardeners take a little sprig of a weed and put it in a big 3 or 5 gallon container, thinking that they have done a good thing, and are now done with it... it's on to harvest time! The problem is, this doesn't work, because it gives you zero control over developing the roots, and without crazy watering techniques, almost no chance of a solid root ball forming. It is imperative to successively up pot your plants through stages so that the root system can roughly take on the same size and shape as the plant in order to get the maximum productivity. The roots grow aggressively in these weeds, and if you confine them to a container the size of the plant, they will fill that space in a short time with a dense root system. Putting a plant in an oversized container can and often does, result in all the roots going to the bottom, drowning the plant, root rot and overall poor health because of a lack of a root ball, and certainly less than optimum harvests. It is important to force these weeds into producing a root ball at various stages, to give the plant the ability later on to take in the massive amounts of nutrients needed to produce lots of quality buds.
The plants in the smaller containers can also more directly show you when they are thriving or more importantly when they are not. A strong healthy plant will eventually outgrow its container and an observant gardener is carefully watching the length of time between wet/dry cycles, and directly relating shorter cycles with more robust roots. A smaller container also gives the gardener the ability to see when the moment arrives that the amount of soil the plant is in is no longer large enough for the plant's abilities to be happy in it, because it will be obvious when the plant can drain the water that soil is able to hold, in less than 24 hours. Your soil and your container at that point have ceased at that point to be a good enough buffer, and it is time to double the space the roots have to work with. Let your plant show you when that time is, and try not to make decisions for her.


Why is pH important?
Some people claim that pH is not important, and if you are a pure organic gardener, never applying chlorinated water or salt based synthetic nutrients at your plants, pH indeed is not important. For the 99.9% rest of the world, a very important lesson for the new gardener to learn is the importance of pH. There is a scientific reason why a proper pH allows the plants to use synthetic nutrients, and why being outside of the proper range can cause deficiencies. If you want to grow pot using chemicals, you need to invest in a method to test the pH of any water going into the plant, whether it is plain water or water mixed with nutrients, and whether it is applied to the roots or sprayed on the leaves. If you neglect the pH, you can easily create deficiencies in your plants, and if left unchecked, you can even kill them. If you spend a lot of money on nutrients, it makes sense that you would want to also create the proper environment so that the plant can use these nutrients, but with a pH way out of the 6.3-6.8 range in soil, a lot of those expensive nutrients will just sit there, not doing the plant any good. If you are in a soilless mix, pH in the range of 5.5-6.1 is necessary. It is only within these ranges that all the nutrients are mobile, are able to be broken free of their salt bonds and be in the form that can go into the plants. Most soils and systems are designed so that you can apply liquids at a lower pH and then the soil or the soilless mix causes a drift, so that the pH can visit each spot in the usable pH range for that medium, and all of the 17 needed nutrients will be picked up, each in its turn.


I hope that this study on containers, watering and pH helps someone who reads it. This paper was a result of having to explain these same concepts over and over and over again to new growers at they hit the forums, until finally I put all these thoughts together into this paper. Some of the thoughts previously given have also been refined for this publication, as questions were asked and answered the last time I posted it, and I have learned better ways of explaining my thoughts. Here, I give you, approximately draft 10 of this paper.


Be well everyone and blessings from my garden to yours,
Sense Emilya


Hey Emilya so I’m in the process of letting my plants dry out so I can use your watering method.... but I’m wondering about a few things as of now the center of the pot where the stalk and roots start is dry and my meter says it’s wet around the outside area between the stock and outer edge ... and then the most outer edge of the pot is dry.. so should I let the entire thing dry ? Or should I do a little top soil spritz or drench the Sides? Or just leave it alone. Thank you!
 
Hey Emilya so I’m in the process of letting my plants dry out so I can use your watering method.... but I’m wondering about a few things as of now the center of the pot where the stalk and roots start is dry and my meter says it’s wet around the outside area between the stock and outer edge ... and then the most outer edge of the pot is dry.. so should I let the entire thing dry ? Or should I do a little top soil spritz or drench the Sides? Or just leave it alone. Thank you!
it sounds like maybe we are talking about a cloth smart pot? In those, it is the center core that stays wet the longest and where you need to monitor to really establish a strong wet/dry cycle. Unless it has been an extraordinarily long time since the last watering, I would let it dry all the way, using either the lift method or smart placement of that moisture meter to know for sure.
 
it sounds like maybe we are talking about a cloth smart pot? In those, it is the center core that stays wet the longest and where you need to monitor to really establish a strong wet/dry cycle. Unless it has been an extraordinarily long time since the last watering, I would let it dry all the way, using either the lift method or smart placement of that moisture meter to know for sure.
Yes it’s the cloth smart pots they’re 800gal and I have some 500 the center is dry which seems weird
 
it sounds like maybe we are talking about a cloth smart pot? In those, it is the center core that stays wet the longest and where you need to monitor to really establish a strong wet/dry cycle. Unless it has been an extraordinarily long time since the last watering, I would let it dry all the way, using either the lift method or smart placement of that moisture meter to know for sure.
And the meter that I have is just the kind with the metal prongs that you stick in the soil and it tells you wether it’s dry, moist or wet is there a better kind that I can get that I permanently place?
 
And the meter that I have is just the kind with the metal prongs that you stick in the soil and it tells you wether it’s dry, moist or wet is there a better kind that I can get that I permanently place?
I dont know of anything better, but the lift method is way easier. What you are telling me is that you have some roots in the center, but not enough roots yet on the outside edges of that bag to be able to draw the moisture out of there, while the outermost edges of the bag are drying out, due to air being able to get in there through the cloth. It all makes sense, and if you continue to be stingy with the water and continue to attempt to make the outside edges the wettest areas in the bag after you are done watering, which it sounds like you did, then the roots will eventually follow that water and grow out that direction. Give it 3 wet/dry cycles and things should be humming along quite nicely.
 
I dont know of anything better, but the lift method is way easier. What you are telling me is that you have some roots in the center, but not enough roots yet on the outside edges of that bag to be able to draw the moisture out of there, while the outermost edges of the bag are drying out, due to air being able to get in there through the cloth. It all makes sense, and if you continue to be stingy with the water and continue to attempt to make the outside edges the wettest areas in the bag after you are done watering, which it sounds like you did, then the roots will eventually follow that water and grow out that direction. Give it 3 wet/dry cycles and things should be humming along quite nicely.
Yes there are not enough roots yet they are still smaller sized. But yes seems like I did the right thing with out knowing it! Although the outermost edges aren’t wet but inner areas are minus the center where the roots start. My bags are deff to big to lift but sounds like I’ll be ok I was worried for a bit. So once they go into flower how do I water ? I remember reading you said it was different so I just saturate the entire pot ?
 
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