SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

Hi,
I don't have any yet but I'll probably buy some of the seedsman CBG #1 seeds and see what they do for me.
I take capsules for sleeping and muscle spasms at bedtime and these are Cannatonic.
I can't vape anymore.
My current grow is CBD Critical Mass, Cannatonic and a CBD only strain.

I've had bowel surgery and the seedsman website mentions Crohns.

How have you found CBG?

Thanks,
D
 
seedsman CBG #1
:thumb: that’s on my list for next time I can acquire seeds. I am pretty sure @dynamo1 has one going already.

I’m growing a Panama right now to try and it was higher CBG content in that which made me most interested.

Until Seedsman released this CBG#1 I’d not seen levels much above 2-3% claimed by breeders. 16% is a lot! So it’s exciting g that folks are able to stabilise it at high levels.

CBG is the primary cannabinoid and all the others are built from it. Usually by harvest there is none left - it converts rapidly and easily. It takes a recessive gene mutation to block this conversion and leave higher levels of CBG still present.

I’ll look forward to seeing/hearing about the Seedsman version when you grow it! Pls post back here :)
 
:thumb: that’s on my list for next time I can acquire seeds. I am pretty sure @dynamo1 has one going already.

I’m growing a Panama right now to try and it was higher CBG content in that which made me most interested.

Until Seedsman released this CBG#1 I’d not seen levels much above 2-3% claimed by breeders. 16% is a lot! So it’s exciting g that folks are able to stabilise it at high levels.

CBG is the primary cannabinoid and all the others are built from it. Usually by harvest there is none left - it converts rapidly and easily. It takes a recessive gene mutation to block this conversion and leave higher levels of CBG still present.

I’ll look forward to seeing/hearing about the Seedsman version when you grow it! Pls post back here :)
Will do.
It will probably be my project during the winter.
I have 4 x quadlines in my flower tent just now that have a month to go and another 4 waiting to go in.
My plan is to try everything and see if anything makes me feel better, so the list is
1:1 THC:CBD different strains,
High CBD, low THC
and now CBG

D
 
:thumb: 1:1 (CBD:THC) dosing helps me for pain better than most other things.

I’m discovering a 1:1 topical oil is actually very good for spasms (I just noticed you mentioned those). I recently added CBD to my THC topical and they are definitely better together!
 
I wanted to share some findings with you guys :Namaste:
I have made three different oils so far. The first two oils are from a mix of dried Flower, Trim & Kief in either fractionated coconut oil (which I used in Edibles) and the other half in Grapeseed Oil (for Topicals). The strains used were Girl Scout Cookies, Blue Dream and Wedding Cake. I would assume, this oil is more THC-heavy and barely any CBD.
The third and last oil I made was from a fresh harvest of Blue Dream CBD, a 1:1 THC:CBD strain with approx. 10% each, so my first oil with a higher CBD content.

The 1:1 oil from the Blue Dream CBD I wanted to use to help with my moms arthritis, restless legs and insomnia. A mix of oil capsules/pure oil and topicals to help with the joints. She started a little dosing regime with 3mg/capsule each night 90min. before bed (I found a helpful article here). Increase the dose by 3mg or another capsule after 2-3 days feeling comfortable. From the first night on, she fell asleep super fast, but woke up an hour later to be fit and active and had to go to the bathroom. This went on every night. She only made it to 6mg/2 capsules before we stopped with this oil. Somehow we both thought, that when taking it at night before bed, it should also help with sleeping, which it didn't. My guess is, the Blue Dream is a more activating strain and should rather be taken during the day and not at night. We have tried adding the oil to other ingredients like sugar and bread, to see if the effect is different. I have no clear results on that unfortunately, since my Mom became a bit hesitant towards this particular oil.

So after this little trial with the 1:1 strain, my Mom gladly returned back to the gummi bears I made for her with the first two oils, the coconut oil ones. She takes 1 gummi bear at a dose of 2mg/gummi bear and has no issues with her restless legs, which then leads to falling asleep better. She also takes 1 gummi bear when she can feel a big pain coming in her joints. She massages a little of this oil in pure form onto her bad fingers and the big pain stays away. She is super happy with her gummi bears and always wants to have some handy. I am super happy as well, such a little dose can already do so much, wow, of course minus the placebo in the beginning, but still super impressive to me.

After my last delivery of gummies, this time with 2.5mg/each, my Mom had to make a confession to me. Apparently she had become some sort of a Cannabis advocate in her elderly women group of friends. They all have some sort of issue that could be treated beautifully, if only it would be legal here. So the other day she met a distant friend, she is 75 years and she was in crutches when they met. After a little elderly chat about their health issues, my Mom bragged with her gummi bears, haha. Her friend suffers from an autoimmune disease called "Myasthenia gravis", a breakdown in the communication between nerves and muscles, hence the crutches. A couple of days later, her friend send her a message asking about the gummies and if she could try one. My mom exchanged some with her, they were at a dose of 1,5mg/each. I am guessing a good bit of placebo, but her friend happily reported back, that she felt much better after taking them one night before bed and was even able to walk the dog alone the next morning. Ever since then, my Mom sneaked some of the gummies to her friend and she rations them, for when it gets worse. How sweet :love:

I am very happy :love: and only a little sad, that the 1:1 mix did not work as well yet. My current conclusion is that it's the higher THC content that works well in this scenario. With the 1:1 strain, maybe the CBD hindered the THC a bit too much, I'm not sure. I asked my Mom to share the pure 1:1 oil with her friend as well and maybe she can try it during the day.
Have a good day guys :hugs:
 
:thumb: that’s on my list for next time I can acquire seeds. I am pretty sure @dynamo1 has one going already.

I’m growing a Panama right now to try and it was higher CBG content in that which made me most interested.

Until Seedsman released this CBG#1 I’d not seen levels much above 2-3% claimed by breeders. 16% is a lot! So it’s exciting g that folks are able to stabilise it at high levels.

CBG is the primary cannabinoid and all the others are built from it. Usually by harvest there is none left - it converts rapidly and easily. It takes a recessive gene mutation to block this conversion and leave higher levels of CBG still present.

I’ll look forward to seeing/hearing about the Seedsman version when you grow it! Pls post back here :)
They have it in Auto now as well. I will likely be growing one by the end of the year, it’s a very interesting strain (and pretty)
 
That's a great story I love to hear about the relieve it can give. Especially the older generation that has had such a closed mind towards any cana meds. You might try a the higher ratio like a 20 : 1 or 30:1 and them mix with the herb of your choose a nice indica for sleeping.
Thank you oldsmokey, to make sure I get it right, is a 20:1 a THC:CBD or a CBD:THC? I never get that right :)
I agree with the older generation being a bit close minded or simply put just very manipulated, unfortunately. At least that's the case with my Mom. She is afraid of getting addicted and asks every other week, if she will. When I explain to her, she then worries about it being illegal and why this is and how come and why they would do that. I must admit that I'm not doing the best job explaining yet. I haven't found a good and easily understandable way of explaining to someone like my Mom. I will work on that :ganjamon:
 
Great writeup steff! I remember Sue saying that CBD is an activating cannabinoid so that may be playing a part in your mom not staying asleep. The best sleeping meds seem to be over ripe heavy indicas.

I'm glad your gummies are getting around to those in need!
Thank you InTheShed :Namaste: Do you think adding the CBD to a different carrier (sugar, bread,...) could change something in the effect? I will try that next. If I understood oldsmokey correctly, I might wanna add a stronger THC oil to still have the high CBD but more THC. Happy day for you
 
Thank you oldsmokey, to make sure I get it right, is a 20:1 a THC:CBD or a CBD:THC? I never get that right :)
I agree with the older generation being a bit close minded or simply put just very manipulated, unfortunately. At least that's the case with my Mom. She is afraid of getting addicted and asks every other week, if she will. When I explain to her, she then worries about it being illegal and why this is and how come and why they would do that. I must admit that I'm not doing the best job explaining yet. I haven't found a good and easily understandable way of explaining to someone like my Mom. I will work on that :ganjamon:
20:1 CBD - THC
they can't help thinking that way they have been brainwashed by the government their whole life.
 
I wanted to share some findings with you guys :Namaste:
I have made three different oils so far. The first two oils are from a mix of dried Flower, Trim & Kief in either fractionated coconut oil (which I used in Edibles) and the other half in Grapeseed Oil (for Topicals). The strains used were Girl Scout Cookies, Blue Dream and Wedding Cake. I would assume, this oil is more THC-heavy and barely any CBD.
The third and last oil I made was from a fresh harvest of Blue Dream CBD, a 1:1 THC:CBD strain with approx. 10% each, so my first oil with a higher CBD content.

The 1:1 oil from the Blue Dream CBD I wanted to use to help with my moms arthritis, restless legs and insomnia. A mix of oil capsules/pure oil and topicals to help with the joints. She started a little dosing regime with 3mg/capsule each night 90min. before bed (I found a helpful article of @SweetSue here). Increase the dose by 3mg or another capsule after 2-3 days feeling comfortable. From the first night on, she fell asleep super fast, but woke up an hour later to be fit and active and had to go to the bathroom. This went on every night. She only made it to 6mg/2 capsules before we stopped with this oil. Somehow we both thought, that when taking it at night before bed, it should also help with sleeping, which it didn't. My guess is, the Blue Dream is a more activating strain and should rather be taken during the day and not at night. We have tried adding the oil to other ingredients like sugar and bread, to see if the effect is different. I have no clear results on that unfortunately, since my Mom became a bit hesitant towards this particular oil.

So after this little trial with the 1:1 strain, my Mom gladly returned back to the gummi bears I made for her with the first two oils, the coconut oil ones. She takes 1 gummi bear at a dose of 2mg/gummi bear and has no issues with her restless legs, which then leads to falling asleep better. She also takes 1 gummi bear when she can feel a big pain coming in her joints. She massages a little of this oil in pure form onto her bad fingers and the big pain stays away. She is super happy with her gummi bears and always wants to have some handy. I am super happy as well, such a little dose can already do so much, wow, of course minus the placebo in the beginning, but still super impressive to me.

After my last delivery of gummies, this time with 2.5mg/each, my Mom had to make a confession to me. Apparently she had become some sort of a Cannabis advocate in her elderly women group of friends. They all have some sort of issue that could be treated beautifully, if only it would be legal here. So the other day she met a distant friend, she is 75 years and she was in crutches when they met. After a little elderly chat about their health issues, my Mom bragged with her gummi bears, haha. Her friend suffers from an autoimmune disease called "Myasthenia gravis", a breakdown in the communication between nerves and muscles, hence the crutches. A couple of days later, her friend send her a message asking about the gummies and if she could try one. My mom exchanged some with her, they were at a dose of 1,5mg/each. I am guessing a good bit of placebo, but her friend happily reported back, that she felt much better after taking them one night before bed and was even able to walk the dog alone the next morning. Ever since then, my Mom sneaked some of the gummies to her friend and she rations them, for when it gets worse. How sweet :love:

I am very happy :love: and only a little sad, that the 1:1 mix did not work as well yet. My current conclusion is that it's the higher THC content that works well in this scenario. With the 1:1 strain, maybe the CBD hindered the THC a bit too much, I'm not sure. I asked my Mom to share the pure 1:1 oil with her friend as well and maybe she can try it during the day.
Have a good day guys :hugs:

Hi Steff.

I have an autoimmune condition and insomnia. I have found that Crop King's Hash Plant works great for pain relief and insomnia. It's an indica with 12.1% THC and 3.5% CBD and Crop King's description says it's a high CBD strain. The THC helps with insomnia and it's a pain reliever, too. CBD works on reducing any inflammation associated with the pain.

Other Therapeutic uses of CBD*

Chronic pain due to:
  • Spasticity
  • Convulsions
  • Inflammation
  • Neuropathy from diabetes or chemotherapy

  • Helpful for controlling some of the symptoms of MS, Fibromyalgia and Epilepsy
  • Anxiety and depression
  • May cause feelings of alertness for some patients and care should be taken with use before bedtime.
  • May have anti-tumor properties for breast and brain cancer in combination with THC.
*The above info is from the Greenflower Cannabis course.
 
Hi Steff.

I have an autoimmune condition and insomnia. I have found that Crop King's Hash Plant works great for pain relief and insomnia. It's an indica with 12.1% THC and 3.5% CBD and Crop King's description says it's a high CBD strain. The THC helps with insomnia and it's a pain reliever, too. CBD works on reducing any inflammation associated with the pain.

Other Therapeutic uses of CBD*

Chronic pain due to:
  • Spasticity
  • Convulsions
  • Inflammation
  • Neuropathy from diabetes or chemotherapy

  • Helpful for controlling some of the symptoms of MS, Fibromyalgia and Epilepsy
  • Anxiety and depression
  • May cause feelings of alertness for some patients and care should be taken with use before bedtime.
  • May have anti-tumor properties for breast and brain cancer in combination with THC.
*The above info is from the Greenflower Cannabis course.
Thank you HashGirl, that's good to know. Have you experimented with different ways of consuming? I found different effects from the same strain, with lots of sugar it's different than pure or smoked. :hugs:
 
Thank you HashGirl, that's good to know. Have you experimented with different ways of consuming? I found different effects from the same strain, with lots of sugar it's different than pure or smoked. :hugs:

Hi Steff.

For pain and insomnia relief, I almost always only take roughly a teaspoon of canna-infused oil before bed. If I have breakthrough pain during the night, I take a couple of canna-infused CB Dutch Treat oil in capsules and rub Hash Plant pain cream on the sore bits. CB Dutch Treat is my daytime pain med, which I always take as a capsule.

For the fun strains, I smoke, vape, take as capsules or a tincture and cook with them. I also add raw decarbed cannabis to toast, soup, smoothies, etc.

In fact, I'm making Peanut Butter cookies this morning from scratch. I've never made cookies from scratch. Should be fun. :laughtwo:
 
@steffgrowsweed

great write up thanks For sharing!

The scenario you describe of your mum waking up bright and bushy after an hour is consistent with other findings regarding CBD and sleep. CBD is only sedative at very high doses and is better used (IMHO) fOr pain relife during the Day. Dr Sulak has reported that many of hos patients find that CBD can help get to sleep (at night) but then you wake up an hour or so later

I use 1:1 oil during the day for pain and muscle spasm and use a THC only oil at night, for sleep (painsomnia/restless legs etc.).

Using the 1:1 CBD:THC during the day helps nighttime sleep too.

Your mum’s friend was not placebo responding I don’t think. I absolutely know that tiny amounts can be very very effective. I have someone who takes my oils and she uses 1-2drops of the THC oil. That’s an oil that is about 6-7mg/ml. So one drop is less than a mg of THC. She takes it alongside about 6mg of CBD. This is managing depression well. She can’t take more of the THC oil than that and can only take it once or twice a day or it becomes too much THC. Microdosing is real!

The ‘weed is evil’ propaganda has been very powerful! To help your mum understand ‘why would they make it illegal if it’s not a dangerous substance’ (which is common even in some younger folks I know)... you could explain that it was very much political. Henry Anslinger was an openly racist government offical with lots of power as head of the narcotics division and he was the major architect of the criminalisation of cannabis as we know it today. It enabled the government to crack down on blacks, hispanics, hippies and the jazz scene with one sweep - make cannabis illegal and instantly they are all criminals.

That’s not the only contributing factor but it is a very very big one (there were financial and business drivers for earlier suppression of cannabis/hemp as medicine and fibre products). The modern prohibition of cannabis has nothing to do with the plant or it’s properties and everything to do with government law enforcement trying to control/supress/eliminate whole sections of the population. And it definitely had social and cultural drivers - it is systemic racism and fear and hatred of “alternative lifestyles“ made into law.

I’ll never forget the quote I from one of the officials involved at the time (can’t remember if it was ANslinger or not) who was interviewed about it many years later who said, in retrospect and after openly talking about the racial and social things they were hoping to achieve with it; “... did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did!”

So really, the prohibition of cannabis is one of the most non-constitutional laws in the country.

I’m pretty tired right now, i hope some of that makes sense!

thanks for sharing the reports!
 
@steffgrowsweed

great write up thanks For sharing!

The scenario you describe of your mum waking up bright and bushy after an hour is consistent with other findings regarding CBD and sleep. CBD is only sedative at very high doses and is better used (IMHO) fOr pain relife during the Day. Dr Sulak has reported that many of hos patients find that CBD can help get to sleep (at night) but then you wake up an hour or so later

I use 1:1 oil during the day for pain and muscle spasm and use a THC only oil at night, for sleep (painsomnia/restless legs etc.).

Using the 1:1 CBD:THC during the day helps nighttime sleep too.

Your mum’s friend was not placebo responding I don’t think. I absolutely know that tiny amounts can be very very effective. I have someone who takes my oils and she uses 1-2drops of the THC oil. That’s an oil that is about 6-7mg/ml. So one drop is less than a mg of THC. She takes it alongside about 6mg of CBD. This is managing depression well. She can’t take more of the THC oil than that and can only take it once or twice a day or it becomes too much THC. Microdosing is real!

The ‘weed is evil’ propaganda has been very powerful! To help your mum understand ‘why would they make it illegal if it’s not a dangerous substance’ (which is common even in some younger folks I know)... you could explain that it was very much political. Henry Anslinger was an openly racist government offical with lots of power as head of the narcotics division and he was the major architect of the criminalisation of cannabis as we know it today. It enabled the government to crack down on blacks, hispanics, hippies and the jazz scene with one sweep - make cannabis illegal and instantly they are all criminals.

That’s not the only contributing factor but it is a very very big one (there were financial and business drivers for earlier suppression of cannabis/hemp as medicine and fibre products). The modern prohibition of cannabis has nothing to do with the plant or it’s properties and everything to do with government law enforcement trying to control/supress/eliminate whole sections of the population. And it definitely had social and cultural drivers - it is systemic racism and fear and hatred of “alternative lifestyles“ made into law.

I’ll never forget the quote I from one of the officials involved at the time (can’t remember if it was ANslinger or not) who was interviewed about it many years later who said, in retrospect and after openly talking about the racial and social things they were hoping to achieve with it; “... did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did!”

So really, the prohibition of cannabis is one of the most non-constitutional laws in the country.

I’m pretty tired right now, i hope some of that makes sense!

thanks for sharing the reports!
Thanks Amy, that's super helpful and it all makes sense :green_heart:
 
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The journey begins..........

I came to 420 Magazine on a fit of whimsy. My husband was dying and I wanted to keep him high until the end. Since I was going to grow, why not do a grow journal? My only intent was to document the grow for my own record. After all, who cared what a 61-year old woman from the banks of the Monongahela had to say? :laughtwo: I'm still adjusting to having become SweetSue. Lol!

Well, my husband died the following year. Right at the end I discovered Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO). Of course, too late to be of any use to my beloved. The frustration of realizing the high price we'd paid for prohibition lit a fire that apparently is unquenchible. I'm driven to learn everything I can about how disease gets a foothold in our bodies and how we can use CCO to tip the scales in our favor and then to help us maintain the state of homeostasis we were evolved to experience. I switched my grow focus from strongly recreational to strongly medicinal. I'm making oil for my own use. Although I'm a healthy woman who takes no medication other than cannabis, I realize the benefit my own body can gain from including CCO in my life. I also accept that I'll be helping others in their own quest to make and administer CCO for healing and I can't very well do that without practical experience, can I?

This is no easy path, but I know we can make it fun. I study like a fiend, and this thread is my new study hall. It's my hope that some of you will decide to join me on my quest to not only master understanding of the diverse fields of knowledge I'm jumping into, but to help me break it down into simple terms and possibly illustrate it, so that what we end up with is a genuine resource that can help calm the desperation of a member looking for hope.

In the end we can take the mish-mash of what we developed and put it all together in an orderly fashion. Do our own handbook on achieving homeostasis using CCO. How's that sound?

I have this habit of wanting it all. :battingeyelashes: I'm not certain what we'll end up with here, but I'm excited about the possibilities. I've broken it down into simple categories and I'm beginning with questions I personally want answers to. Some of this I already know, so it's a matter of composing the right answer and making it look like something you want to read. I have a concern that we have many members who learn more visually, so that has to be taken into consideration with anything we put together. I'm not interested in working in any particular order. My brain works more fluidly than that. I'll accept the responsibility of keeping track of what gets developed. My hope in putting this out there is that some of you will have an interest spark in one subject and find yourself compelled to master it so you can explain it to us. This doesn't have to be all SweetSue developed material. I have no ego. Please, contribute.

This is a community project, if you'll join me. I have no care for any credit. I have a great desire to continue developing materials that explain all this in simple terms. That's my only purpose in being here. Anybody game?

This is long-term work. I'm not expecting this to fly. We have lives that are worth being a part of and this search will plod along. I may study hard, but I play hard too. :laughtwo: Balance in all things. I want to be certain at every step that we got it right. There's a focus on cancer here because the cancer-killing potential of phytocannabinoids demands it. That does not mean we're limited to discussing using CCO to treat cancer. I'm also associated with cajuncelt's cancer protocol thread and I'm working on some materials for him as well. I figured toss it all out there, see what sticks.

My starting questions. If anyone has some they'd like to add let me know within the next 420 minutes and I can edit them in.

A Rudimentary Understanding of Cellular Biology and Cancer Progression
- What's the life cycle of a healthy cell?
- How does programmed cell death happen?
- What's the difference between apoptosis (cellular suicide) and necrosis (cellular death)?
- What changes occur when a cell becomes cancerous?
- What are the stages of cancer?
- What's this about Demethylation?

Your Endocannabinoid System and Homeostasis
- What's the job of the Endocannabinoid System?
- How do receptors work?
- How can I assist my Endocannabinoid System?

How Cannabinoids Kill Cancer Cells
- apoptopic (apoptosis; cell seeks its own death)
- antiangiogenesis (keeps cell from growing new blood vessels)
- antiproliferative (keeps cells from reproducing)
- antimetastatic (cell can't spread seed)
- How does THC kill cancer cells?
- What special cancer-killing properties does CBD have?

The Phytocannabinoids : Your Reserve Soldiers
- description of individual cannabinoids and terpenes)

Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO): The Great Equalizer
- Can I get stronger medicine if I use the whole plant?
- What's the easiest way I can find to make good-quality oil in my kitchen?
- What equipment changes will I need to make for producing a larger batch?
- Is there any way to reclaim at least some of the solvent?
- Can we get a decent hand on the truth and science behind decarboxylation?
- What technique gives me the highest THC numbers? CBD numbers?
- Which approach gives me the most monoterpenes?


Supercharging The Oil: The Science of Bioavailibility
- Don't the cannabinoids just get in there and go to work killing diseased cells?
- How can I use the science behind liposomal encapsulation to my advantage?
- What's a carrier oil?
- Why are phenolic oils so important?
- What difference does the choice of carrier oil make?
- What's a Bio Bomb?
- How does Competitive Inhibition work?
- How do I incorporate Competitive Inhibition into the protocol?

Strains and Ratios: Customizing Your Medication
- Does it really make a difference which strains I choose?
- How does synergy come into play when I'm mixing the strains?
- What are recommended ratios for oil production?
- How would I work out using whole plant and mixing strains?

Dosing Protocols and Delivery Systems: Proceed With Care
- What are the pathways into the system and how effective are they?
- What do we mean by "First Pass"?
- What's "herxing"
- What's the difference between optimal dose and therapeutic dose?
- How would I determine a therapeutic dose?
- What level dose is a good starting point?
- How do you make a metered dose?
- How often should I be dosing?
- Explain "Start Low and Go Slow".

Resources For Patients: Boots On The Ground
- What patient support organizations exist?
- What kind of support system should I pull together?

Complementary Therapies
- What are some other holistic ways I can help my body gain homeostasis?
- How can breath training benefit me?
- What are some practical ways to stay positive?

Reading and Resource Lists

Random Notes


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I anticipate discussion and debate on occasion. My expectation is that the vision, the desire, the sheer joy we derive from the search for understanding will keep those debates civil. :welcome: Make yourselves comfortable.
thanks for this study. i would like more info about the pain fighting effects of cannabis God Bless you my Bud.
 
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