SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

[Dave Groomer]

I have been wondering why we dont add the lecithin during extraction rather than after.

When I do my oil infusions in the oven, I cook it with the lecithin.

 

[SweetSue]

I have been wondering why we dont add the lecithin during extraction rather than after.

I don’t know that it matters, other than tracking the volume of the oil itself. I stopped using it until I strain about the time we were beginning to play with FHO. The lecithin was making the mix foam, so we stopped adding until after. I guess it became habit, more than anything.

When I make brownie oil I add it in the beginning, and every once in a while I ask myself the same question you just did.

 

[BobbyZ]

I’ll see if I can find one for you Bobby.

I’m into chapter 6 - the pharmacologic effects of cannabinoids (6.3.2) - and I’m reading about THC being a partial agonist for CB1 and CB2 receptors. 11-hydroxy THC is a better connection than delta-9.

So I’m wondering.... if the effect we want from THC is to stimulate the receptor, and 11-hydroxy appears to do this better than delta-9, what change in the signaling occurs that makes 11-hydroxy less useful as medicine? Hmmm.....

I need more info on this method and I’m afraid I’m going to have to abuse a plant to get it...

 

[InTheShed]

The answer to everything in that video was 56 years!

Great finds all SweetSue. Thanks for posting them. I don't know that my plants ever get tall enough to rub down like that.

 

[BobbyZ]

It reminds me of stem rolling. Breaking up cells within the structure. I can’t tell from my phone, is he doing that pre-flower or early flower? So this makes the plant and buds more resinous? I’ll admit my knowledge is very limited, but I’ve always tried to avoid touching my buds.

 

[Cannasavvy]

"SweetSue said

When I make brownie oil I add it in the beginning, and every once in a while I ask myself the same question you just did.

I wonder if adding the lecithin during extraction would affect the potency either way?

 

[BobbyZ]

Okay I just roughed up a CBD Dutch Treat like a red headed step child. Let’s see if I hurt it or helped it. It’s going to oil anyhow...
The sticky film on my hands isn’t enough to scrape, but I will do it with rubber gloves next time. Look away if you can’t handle the blurple.

 

[BobbyZ]

Something else I’m trying out that I noticed they said. Longer flowering days... I have flowered at 12/12 for about 3 weeks. Then I fudged it to 13on/11off. The plants seem fine and have shown no sign of slowing down or being stressed.

 

[Cannasavvy]

So another thing i wonder is how far is too far in trying to change the cannabinoid production of the plant. What is the balance point between potency and healing?

 

[BobbyZ]

So another thing i wonder is how far is too far in trying to change the cannabinoid production of the plant. What is the balance point between potency and healing?

Years and years of demonization has probably sanitized a lot historical medial applications & methods. Look at the gems of knowledge that seems to be passed down by word of mouth, but hardly written down in any meaningful context. It is up to the people to unravel the mystery of cannabis before big pharma sinks its teeth in.

 

[SweetSue]

I wonder if adding the lecithin during extraction would affect the potency either way?

I wonder that myself. Without lab testing we can only speculate based on our personal experience, and we all know how variable that can be.

It reminds me of stem rolling. Breaking up cells within the structure. I can’t tell from my phone, is he doing that pre-flower or early flower? So this makes the plant and buds more resinous? I’ll admit my knowledge is very limited, but I’ve always tried to avoid touching my buds.

This is done while the plants are in flower, and I believe he mentions doing it two or three times before they let the plant just finish blooming. They also mention that the plant quickly recovers. According to my theory, born of my recent studies, when the bulbous trichomes are ruptured - which happens when you do this to a flowering plant - the capitate-stalked trichomes bulk up in response. That would equate to more oil.

Something else I’m trying out that I noticed they said. Longer flowering days... I have flowered at 12/12 for about 3 weeks. Then I fudged it to 13on/11off. The plants seem fine and have shown no sign of slowing down or being stressed.

Those longer flowering days are in the wild. Indoors you'll get more product by sticking to 12/12. I'm thinking of resetting my lights to a straight 12/12 from the 11/13 they're on at the moment. I just flipped my Carnival and I'd like to maximize her potential. It's nice to hear that your plants didn't balk at the change to more light.

So another thing i wonder is how far is too far in trying to change the cannabinoid production of the plant. What is the balance point between potency and healing?

I looked at some interesting charts yesterday, and one of them showed that THC development is at the peak at 6 weeks into a 10 week flowering schedule, and drops off significantly from there on. Another showed how dramatic the increase in flower development is during the final two weeks of the 10-week run, so the drop in THC development is likely more than offset in sheer volume of trichomes. Flowers are filled with trichomes.

I looked at that first chart and wondered about the quality of that THC vs the later productions. Might there be a value to a harvest at 6 weeks?

Years and years of demonization has probably sanitized a lot historical medial applications & methods. Look at the gems of knowledge that seems to be passed down by word of mouth, but hardly written down in any meaningful context. It is up to the people to unravel the mystery of cannabis before big pharma sinks its teeth in.

You can bet your life they're trying to figure out how to control the production, marketing, and distribution of cannabinoid-based medicines. Let's do our best to keep them at bay.

We get to reinvent the wheel, but we also get to play with better equipment.

 

[BobbyZ]

It really damages the pistols...
But gawd my hands smell good!

 

[SweetSue]

It really damages the pistols...
But gawd my hands smell good!

 

[InTheShed]

Something else I’m trying out that I noticed they said. Longer flowering days... I have flowered at 12/12 for about 3 weeks. Then I fudged it to 13on/11off. The plants seem fine and have shown no sign of slowing down or being stressed.

Rider509 ran his in flower 14/10 with GrowMau5 night lights:
Rider509 - Two Thais & G13

I looked at that first chart and wondered about the quality of that THC vs the later productions. Might there be a value to a harvest at 6 weeks?

Doesn't that greatly depend on the native flowering time of each cultivar? Harvesting a Malawi at 6 weeks can't show the same results as harvesting an 8 week strain at the same time.

 

[Cannasavvy]

Wondering if i may be able to get some comparison testing run...hmmmm...no promises

 

[Cannasavvy]

This lecithin thing is going to drive me nuts. I must know.

 

[SweetSue]

Rider509 ran his in flower 14/10 with GrowMau5 night lights:
Rider509 - Two Thais & G13


Doesn't that greatly depend on the native flowering time of each cultivar? Harvesting a Malawi at 6 weeks can't show the same results as harvesting an 8 week strain at the same time.

Good point, and one I left out. Lol! This data was on the chemovars used for the making of Sativax, which followed a standard 10 week flowering cycle.

 

[SweetSue]

This lecithin thing is going to drive me nuts. I must know.

I'm glad to hear your curiosity sometimes drives you to action. Lol! I'd be really interested in seeing some results. Not sure exactly how to prove the increased bioavailability.

 

[Cannasavvy]

I'm glad to hear your curiosity sometimes drives you to action. Lol! I'd be really interested in seeing some results. Not sure exactly how to prove the increased bioavailability.

Im thinking extract matched batches with and without lecithin then test?

 

[Cannasavvy]

Two batches of salve made from the instant pot whole bud oil.

Canna salves

• Cannasavvy
• Dec 31, 2018

Side by side comparison

Canna salve

• Cannasavvy
• Dec 31, 2018

Beeswax only

Canna salve

• Cannasavvy
• Dec 31, 2018

Beeswax and candelila wax

The one on the left has beeswax and candelila wax. The one on the right is all beeswax. Otherwise they are identical. The all beeswax is much firmer and i think that is my favorite.