AKgramma
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The Lady has more cannibus in her fridge (and cabinets) than food! 
SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall
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Jacobsenji
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Yummy!
Three more doses left. They're packing something in the neighborhood of 200-250 mg of cannabinoids.
Sue What a fantastic sight and the breakfast you whipped up looks looks devine.. I still haven't made a batch of cco but definitely getting closer.. lot going on over here at my place..I seen you mention refrigerator drying.... How's about a side by side testing and analysis of a fridge dry and reg dry, same bud... Expensive though. Wonder how much the profiles very...
I hope you're day can somehow, get even better..
Always smiling here when I read your posts and the love you shine out to all.
Happy Sunday Sue
Hah! Talk about going all tech... I went to a Cannabiz Conference here in Toronto this afternoon. Many of the vendors were selling amazing machine for making CCO. Huge big contraptions.....
I got some free nutrients and lots of literature, and most important I made a connection with CCO producer... Just maybe...
$28.00 to get in.... I guess it was worth it...
I got some free nutrients and lots of literature, and most important I made a connection with CCO producer... Just maybe...
$28.00 to get in.... I guess it was worth it...
I'm back with more questions. So, I've got 24 capsules at the 10:1 ratio. I hope to be able to get these along with the ginkgo and the apigenin to my sister on Wednesday. If these work for her, my question is how long till we move to 5:1? She just increased to 3 doses every four hours. It sounds likes she is pretty knocked out , just waking up to take more medicine. Also do we need to be adding in CBD to help stop the tumors from spreading? I think she has a Dr appt. Friday, but I don't know if she will be having a scan, I know she doesn't seem to have them very often. Cannabis is illegal in her state, so she hasn't felt comfortable sharing her treatment with the oncologist. Thanks everyone for taking time to help me wade through all this valuable information.
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I have to scream for a moment. Just got off the phone with my youngest brother, who shared that his father-in-law was recently diagnosed with stage 4 stomach cancer. They're going to try a run of chemo, but not with any great expectations.
So why do I want to scream? Of course, I inquired as to their thoughts on a cannabinoid therapy. No interest in "something like that."
The hardest part of doing this work is the stubbornness I come up against in my own family, where members die rather than even discuss the alternative possibilities. Propaganda works. Can't we turn the tables and get some truth out there where it can do so much good?
So why do I want to scream? Of course, I inquired as to their thoughts on a cannabinoid therapy. No interest in "something like that."
The hardest part of doing this work is the stubbornness I come up against in my own family, where members die rather than even discuss the alternative possibilities. Propaganda works. Can't we turn the tables and get some truth out there where it can do so much good?
Sue, this is why my family doesn't know about my MMJ prescription because they, too, suffer from the propaganda in the media.
I hope if anyone in my family ever gets anything serious like cancer that I can convince them to at least CCO and MMJ. I want to share the good that cannabis is doing for me with them but I seriously think they might cut me out of their lives for my choice and so it's easier to keep quiet.
I hope if anyone in my family ever gets anything serious like cancer that I can convince them to at least CCO and MMJ. I want to share the good that cannabis is doing for me with them but I seriously think they might cut me out of their lives for my choice and so it's easier to keep quiet.
I'm glad my whole family supports this idea of me helping my family. I was surprised by a few that were ok with it,but ALL of my dad's remaining family and my mother's are ok with it and support him and me in this.
Propaganda works,but it's also the persons mind that is closed to new ways of thinking.
I have have a cousin and a friends dad both say no to the idea because their doctors said no to the idea it might help in anyway. It is very sad.
I have a buddy that said he would rather die then take a suppository. I told him he is f'ing stupid. Can't help them all and sad and hard to know there's help they won't take.
Propaganda works,but it's also the persons mind that is closed to new ways of thinking.
I have have a cousin and a friends dad both say no to the idea because their doctors said no to the idea it might help in anyway. It is very sad.
I have a buddy that said he would rather die then take a suppository. I told him he is f'ing stupid. Can't help them all and sad and hard to know there's help they won't take.
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My daughter probably has IBS. She's never been diagnosed because she's never shared the misery with her doctors. She knows that the solution to her problems is suppositories. I gently remind her of that every now and then. Just today I told her again "When you're ready to admit that you're tired of living like this....."
She steadfastly refuses to even try suppositories.
You can't force someone to heal.
When I look at her or think of her I try to see her as healthy and whole. It may be the only thing I can do, but dammit, I'll do it with gusto and joy. 
She steadfastly refuses to even try suppositories.
You can't force someone to heal.
When I look at her or think of her I try to see her as healthy and whole. It may be the only thing I can do, but dammit, I'll do it with gusto and joy. 
rikvasen
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She never shared her misery with her doctors? I thought you were your own daughter's doctor Sue! Well, I work on the ambulance so I only know about people who are in life danger!
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She managed to cover her anxiety disorder until she was 21 and attempted suicide the first time. It doesn't surprise me that she kept this to herself too. Women, in particular, are incredibly private about bodily functions. She knows she won't try any of their drugs, so why bother him with it? We both know the solution is more cannabinoids, and the level she'll require will need to be administered anally. She'll put it off as long as she can.
After using suppositories regularly to calm my own system following the antibiotic run I find it becomes commonplace, but the idea of shoving medication up your behind isn't one people wake up looking forward to.
rikvasen
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Yeah well, to be fair I would rather have medication with a sirynge than from behind so to speak. I wish you two the best of luck!
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Thoughts that keep banging 'round my brain
I was watching a panel of speakers from a 2015 gathering of Americans For Safe Access (ASA), a majority of which were tending to the conversation around getting some trials going in Arizona to see which ratio of THC:CBD would be suggested for PTSD, primarily focused on veterans using locally-sourced whole-plant meds. One of the speakers was employed by the VA, his job being in the field of Cannabis Disorders. God...... just writing that makes my skin go cold. His explaination of the field was that some people develop problematic disorders with using cannabis, and have difficulty either stopping or cutting back.
The entire time I listened to this caring man, who is now deeply entrenched in the three studies they finally got together, I found myself wondering if the problems those cannabis users were having were of their own creation or pressures put upon them by other people in their lives? Hell, I made my husband and I stop for eight years because I bought into the propaganda before I became introduced to the ECS. I try not to consider how much damage I did to his system with that misguided decision. Everything happens in its right time.
There's this enormous disconnect going on in the national discussion. The reality that we all have endocannabinoid systems and the implications of stress on that system seems to be lost in the conversation. When you have an understanding of the basics of the ECS, the value of cannabinoid therapies becomes obvious, IMHO.
Ok, there I said it out loud. Now, maybe my brain will move on to other things.
I was watching a panel of speakers from a 2015 gathering of Americans For Safe Access (ASA), a majority of which were tending to the conversation around getting some trials going in Arizona to see which ratio of THC:CBD would be suggested for PTSD, primarily focused on veterans using locally-sourced whole-plant meds. One of the speakers was employed by the VA, his job being in the field of Cannabis Disorders. God...... just writing that makes my skin go cold. His explaination of the field was that some people develop problematic disorders with using cannabis, and have difficulty either stopping or cutting back.
The entire time I listened to this caring man, who is now deeply entrenched in the three studies they finally got together, I found myself wondering if the problems those cannabis users were having were of their own creation or pressures put upon them by other people in their lives? Hell, I made my husband and I stop for eight years because I bought into the propaganda before I became introduced to the ECS. I try not to consider how much damage I did to his system with that misguided decision. Everything happens in its right time.
There's this enormous disconnect going on in the national discussion. The reality that we all have endocannabinoid systems and the implications of stress on that system seems to be lost in the conversation. When you have an understanding of the basics of the ECS, the value of cannabinoid therapies becomes obvious, IMHO.
Ok, there I said it out loud. Now, maybe my brain will move on to other things.
For those folks who refuse to try suppositories.... I fear for their health. My wife has been using them now for a month or two and they definitely help a lot.
We have now got to the point where we can joke about it... the other day, when it was time for her to shove another suppository, she said to me, "Excuse me, I have a date for an intimate encounter with my asshole". I just about fell over...
That's my girl....she will find the funny and ridiculous in almost anything.
We have now got to the point where we can joke about it... the other day, when it was time for her to shove another suppository, she said to me, "Excuse me, I have a date for an intimate encounter with my asshole". I just about fell over...
That's my girl....she will find the funny and ridiculous in almost anything.
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For those folks who refuse to try suppositories.... I fear for their health. My wife has been using them now for a month or two and they definitely help a lot.
We have now got to the point where we can joke about it... the other day, when it was time for her to shove another suppository, she said to me, "Excuse me, I have a date for an intimate encounter with my asshole". I just about fell over...
That's my girl....she will find the funny and ridiculous in almost anything.
I love this woman! 
This defo worked for me ( worth a go )
i used an ounce of bud ,500ml alcohol , table spoon sunflower lecithin, half cup coconut oil raw virgin , table spoon of water
i blitzed my bud with the alcohol in a blender using 2 thirds of the alcohol as the bud got chopped up ( fine ) i added more until the ounce was blitzed i then filtered using double cheese cloth , i put the waste back into the blender and added the rest of the alcohol to the bud . i only let the blend mix for about a minute then shook it by hand for a few mins.
i then added the filtered mix to a warm rice cooker and cooked it off on a low heat to burn off the alcohol just like the rick simpsons oil.
as the alcohol was getting close to burning off i added a tbl spoon of water
as soon as the mix was ready and looking a tad like molasses or treacle i added a table spoon of sunflower lecithin stirred that in for about a minute
then i added the coconut oil a table spoon at a time then turned up the heat for a few mins to just see off the last of the alcohol as it was now safe to do so ..... then i let it sit on low heat for an hour , put in the fridge over night then tested it yesterday about 1pm and felt it to about 8 or 9pm lol
Thanks. I'm going to try this one
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Dosing considerations: Keeping a log
Cannabis expresses its effects in very individual ways, patient to patient. There is no set dose with this plant. Young children often require doses that would be over the top for elderly patients. There is no real correlation between weight and optimal dose, or at least none anyone working in the field feels confident in stating.
The policy is the same with each patient - start sub-therapeutic and titrate slowly until you hit the optimal therapeutic dose, that point where the patient is tolerating the medication's euphoric effects and getting the medicinal values that are shifting the internal energies towards healing as the default.
It becomes helpful to keep some sort of log of your use when treating yourself with cannabis. This way you'll have a record of what does work and what didn't. This set of guidelines is from ASA - American's for Safe Access. If I were to suggest any additions it would be to list the terpene profile of your meds, if possible. That wouldn't have to be with every entry, but we now understand that it's the terpenes that direct the action of the cannabinoids, in much the same way the steering system directs the engine in a car, so this bit of knowledge will serve you well as you fine tune your personal protocol.
Keeping a Cannabis Log - from Americans For Safe Access Guide to using medical cannabis
To establish an optimal treatment regime with cannabis, you will need to balance the effects of different strains, doses, and methods of ingestion. It may be helpful to record your therapeutic relationship with cannabis on an ongoing basis. One method is through keeping a cannabis-use log that captures your experience, including thoughts, feeling and behaviors. Periodically reviewing the log can help both you and your doctor make decisions about what works best.
To start, keep a detailed log, as described below, for at least one week. Once you've got a week's worth of information, complete the self-assessment worksheet that follows. This worksheet will help you better understand many things about yourself, including: your ailments and symptom patterns, your treatment behaviors, and the efficacy and side effects of the cannabis medicines you use.
In keeping a medication log, try to keep things standardized, and be as consistent as possible. Here are some logging tips on useful information to collect:
1. Date/Time: Record every time you consume cannabis with the current date and time of day.
2. Amount: The amount of cannabis used (gram estimate or other consistent measure).
3. Strain: The name, strain or variety of the cannabis strain or variety of cannabis medicine used. If you don't know the name, write a detailed description of the medicine.
4. Code: Strains are generally described as Indica, Sativa, or hybrid. You may want to code your entries: I=Indica, S=Sativa, S/I=Sativa-dominant Indica Cross, and I/S= Indica-dominant Sativa Cross.
5. Type is the form of cannabis consumed: dried bud flower (most common), concentrates, tincture/sprays, edibles/drinks or topical. You may want to use: F=flower, C=concentrate, T=tincture/spray, E=edible, TO=topical.
6. Cannabinoid Content: refers to the percent of THC, CBD and/or CBN. If you have this information available to you, write down percentages of each cannabinoid. If you're using edibles or similar, a description of potency and preparation is helpful.
7. Mode: Write down how you used your medication. Either inhale via S=smoke or V=vaporize, E=eat/digest, T=tincture or spray, TO=topical.
8. Therapeutic Effects: List any positive effects you experience (physical, mental, social, behavioral, etc).
9. Negative Side Effects: List your negative effects
10. Timing: How quickly did you experience the first therapeutic effects? When did you feel the peak of relief? When did it start to noticeably dissipate? How long until effects were gone?
11. What prompted your cannabis use? List the specific factors that told you it was time for medicine, as well as the general symptoms or conditions being treated (e.g. pain, nausea, anxiety, etc.
12. How did you feel (mindset)? Record your mood and feelings before and after you used cannabis.
13. Where were you (setting)? Were you at home, at a collective, in your office? Sitting, standing, lying down?
14. Who were you with? Were you by yourself, with a friend, a large group, among other cannabis consumers, etc?
15. What were you doing? Just before you used cannabis, what was going on? What were the activities or circumstances leading up to it?
So I wondered, what would this look like on paper? That's where it's gonna be used, right? I'd think that'd depend on who you were keeping it for, but a journal-type entry of some sort would seem to be the most possible, and might encourage a bit of introspection and letting go in the process. Writing has a way of getting things out in the open.
This is a lot of information to track. In reality you'd find ways to condense the entries. For example, you'd be using a standard strain or two, so it'd only be necessary to list that at the start of the new meds. Unless you were a data nerd, this would drive you nuts.
Maybe we could get an app for this?
Cannabis expresses its effects in very individual ways, patient to patient. There is no set dose with this plant. Young children often require doses that would be over the top for elderly patients. There is no real correlation between weight and optimal dose, or at least none anyone working in the field feels confident in stating.
The policy is the same with each patient - start sub-therapeutic and titrate slowly until you hit the optimal therapeutic dose, that point where the patient is tolerating the medication's euphoric effects and getting the medicinal values that are shifting the internal energies towards healing as the default.
It becomes helpful to keep some sort of log of your use when treating yourself with cannabis. This way you'll have a record of what does work and what didn't. This set of guidelines is from ASA - American's for Safe Access. If I were to suggest any additions it would be to list the terpene profile of your meds, if possible. That wouldn't have to be with every entry, but we now understand that it's the terpenes that direct the action of the cannabinoids, in much the same way the steering system directs the engine in a car, so this bit of knowledge will serve you well as you fine tune your personal protocol.
Keeping a Cannabis Log - from Americans For Safe Access Guide to using medical cannabis
To establish an optimal treatment regime with cannabis, you will need to balance the effects of different strains, doses, and methods of ingestion. It may be helpful to record your therapeutic relationship with cannabis on an ongoing basis. One method is through keeping a cannabis-use log that captures your experience, including thoughts, feeling and behaviors. Periodically reviewing the log can help both you and your doctor make decisions about what works best.
To start, keep a detailed log, as described below, for at least one week. Once you've got a week's worth of information, complete the self-assessment worksheet that follows. This worksheet will help you better understand many things about yourself, including: your ailments and symptom patterns, your treatment behaviors, and the efficacy and side effects of the cannabis medicines you use.
In keeping a medication log, try to keep things standardized, and be as consistent as possible. Here are some logging tips on useful information to collect:
1. Date/Time: Record every time you consume cannabis with the current date and time of day.
2. Amount: The amount of cannabis used (gram estimate or other consistent measure).
3. Strain: The name, strain or variety of the cannabis strain or variety of cannabis medicine used. If you don't know the name, write a detailed description of the medicine.
4. Code: Strains are generally described as Indica, Sativa, or hybrid. You may want to code your entries: I=Indica, S=Sativa, S/I=Sativa-dominant Indica Cross, and I/S= Indica-dominant Sativa Cross.
5. Type is the form of cannabis consumed: dried bud flower (most common), concentrates, tincture/sprays, edibles/drinks or topical. You may want to use: F=flower, C=concentrate, T=tincture/spray, E=edible, TO=topical.
6. Cannabinoid Content: refers to the percent of THC, CBD and/or CBN. If you have this information available to you, write down percentages of each cannabinoid. If you're using edibles or similar, a description of potency and preparation is helpful.
7. Mode: Write down how you used your medication. Either inhale via S=smoke or V=vaporize, E=eat/digest, T=tincture or spray, TO=topical.
8. Therapeutic Effects: List any positive effects you experience (physical, mental, social, behavioral, etc).
9. Negative Side Effects: List your negative effects
10. Timing: How quickly did you experience the first therapeutic effects? When did you feel the peak of relief? When did it start to noticeably dissipate? How long until effects were gone?
11. What prompted your cannabis use? List the specific factors that told you it was time for medicine, as well as the general symptoms or conditions being treated (e.g. pain, nausea, anxiety, etc.
12. How did you feel (mindset)? Record your mood and feelings before and after you used cannabis.
13. Where were you (setting)? Were you at home, at a collective, in your office? Sitting, standing, lying down?
14. Who were you with? Were you by yourself, with a friend, a large group, among other cannabis consumers, etc?
15. What were you doing? Just before you used cannabis, what was going on? What were the activities or circumstances leading up to it?
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So I wondered, what would this look like on paper? That's where it's gonna be used, right? I'd think that'd depend on who you were keeping it for, but a journal-type entry of some sort would seem to be the most possible, and might encourage a bit of introspection and letting go in the process. Writing has a way of getting things out in the open.
This is a lot of information to track. In reality you'd find ways to condense the entries. For example, you'd be using a standard strain or two, so it'd only be necessary to list that at the start of the new meds. Unless you were a data nerd, this would drive you nuts.
Maybe we could get an app for this?
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Dosing considerations: Gathering patient information
Aside from the myriad of other information you'll discover you really need to know to effectively help someone coax their ECS back into full force, might I suggest the basics include these queries?
* What's the diagnosis?
* What's the current cannabis use, and history of cannabis use?
* What pharmaceuticals or nutraceuticals are you taking?
- There's a legitimate concern with CBD interfering with the CP450 pathway. CBD will potentiate drugs you don't want backing up in the system.
* What is your objective? What are you trying to accomplish?
- Not everyone may be as attuned to aggressive treatment as you are. Start with relief and follow the patient's lead.
Aside from the myriad of other information you'll discover you really need to know to effectively help someone coax their ECS back into full force, might I suggest the basics include these queries?
* What's the diagnosis?
* What's the current cannabis use, and history of cannabis use?
* What pharmaceuticals or nutraceuticals are you taking?
- There's a legitimate concern with CBD interfering with the CP450 pathway. CBD will potentiate drugs you don't want backing up in the system.
* What is your objective? What are you trying to accomplish?
- Not everyone may be as attuned to aggressive treatment as you are. Start with relief and follow the patient's lead.
Need advice please
First, I would like to thank everyone involved in this site. The task of informing ones self is very overwhelming, and at times confusing.Thank you all again. Now here my story. My psa numbers were between 5 and 9 for several years.I did not get a psa test done in 2016. This past jan 2017 my psa came back with a 37 #. I was sent to a uroligist who put me on antibiotics to rule out an infection followed by another psa which came back at 37.5 #. He scheduled a biopsy. Because of past anxiety attacks i feel i can not handle the words "you have cancer" with my anxiety issues. I am also afraid of insurance issues after being officially diagnosed, as I am retiring and will be forced into obama care. Bottom line, I cancelled the biopsy and have begun taking cco oil just assuming I have cancer. I have 30 grams of cco and my plan was to get another psa done after I take these thirty grams, to see if my psa # has lowered at all. A lower # would help show me that it can work before I get more oil to complete the treatment.My question is can another psa # show lower numbers halfway through the treatment ? I know most people will think that I am dumb for not getting a biopsy but....I have no intention of doing chemo or radiation, and with the anxiety issue looming, I feel trying this first is logical. I am also afraid of the biopsy itself making the cancer spread through the bleeding of the holes from the samples. Can that happen ?Any insight on whether the psa numbers can come back lower after thirty grams to show its working would be appreciated. I also need info on the dangers of cancer spreading from the biopsy itself, are my fears on that unfounded ?Thank you for reading and for any help sent ! Dan.
First, I would like to thank everyone involved in this site. The task of informing ones self is very overwhelming, and at times confusing.Thank you all again. Now here my story. My psa numbers were between 5 and 9 for several years.I did not get a psa test done in 2016. This past jan 2017 my psa came back with a 37 #. I was sent to a uroligist who put me on antibiotics to rule out an infection followed by another psa which came back at 37.5 #. He scheduled a biopsy. Because of past anxiety attacks i feel i can not handle the words "you have cancer" with my anxiety issues. I am also afraid of insurance issues after being officially diagnosed, as I am retiring and will be forced into obama care. Bottom line, I cancelled the biopsy and have begun taking cco oil just assuming I have cancer. I have 30 grams of cco and my plan was to get another psa done after I take these thirty grams, to see if my psa # has lowered at all. A lower # would help show me that it can work before I get more oil to complete the treatment.My question is can another psa # show lower numbers halfway through the treatment ? I know most people will think that I am dumb for not getting a biopsy but....I have no intention of doing chemo or radiation, and with the anxiety issue looming, I feel trying this first is logical. I am also afraid of the biopsy itself making the cancer spread through the bleeding of the holes from the samples. Can that happen ?Any insight on whether the psa numbers can come back lower after thirty grams to show its working would be appreciated. I also need info on the dangers of cancer spreading from the biopsy itself, are my fears on that unfounded ?Thank you for reading and for any help sent ! Dan.
AKgramma
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dmarek413, In my opinion, you are very wise trying the the CCO NOW instead of waiting until you have tried everything the doctors ordered, and failed to see improvement.
This first test will give you a basis on which treatment, and for which condition, will be best for you. No need to share your experiment with your doctor. He might refuse to keep you on as a patient.
Whether or not you have the Big C, cannabis ingestion can only do you good, as it's completely natural and compliments our own immune systems, among others.
Just ask any Old Veteran on these lists. They will tell you how Cannabis has helped them off the addictive meds, reduced pain and anxiety, and generally given us Old farts some relief from our old age joint pain.
This first test will give you a basis on which treatment, and for which condition, will be best for you. No need to share your experiment with your doctor. He might refuse to keep you on as a patient.
Whether or not you have the Big C, cannabis ingestion can only do you good, as it's completely natural and compliments our own immune systems, among others.
Just ask any Old Veteran on these lists. They will tell you how Cannabis has helped them off the addictive meds, reduced pain and anxiety, and generally given us Old farts some relief from our old age joint pain.