Stanks Go Perpetual In 2018!

For what it’s worth I’m in a major city, that also has farm land close by - so sourcing might take some legwork but would be doable. I have a pretty popular garden center very close by, as well as box stores like Home Depot.
KIS looks like a similar situation to Kind Soil, where I’ll pay 1/3 of the price on the product and 2/3 getting it shipped and imported. What are the chances local gardening centres and the like would have prepared “water only” soil such as these?
I love the idea of a prepared soil I only need to water as a newb.
If you want basic newbie soil and you have a HD nearby, go with Dr Earth Pot of Gold if they carry it. I use that for all my outside plants (autos included) and mix it about 70/30 with rinsed perlite. I nute my autos starting around 18 days. I don't use "water only" soil because I want to give my autos specific nutes at specific times. Autos are on such a different clock from photos that you need to live on their timetable.
 
Thanks @InTheShed i just took screen shot;)

Lots of great stuff Stanks, @Ms Stank that Harlequin of yours is so beautiful and I need to grow one!

Lots of great soil talk! I’m also on the look out for soil for my outdoor plants. I’m going to look into Sheds suggestion. When my dad was growing in Saskatchewan (where I’m from) He swears by “blow dirt” for growing cannabis and of course I don’t know any farmers around Alberta so I can’t find any! That’s what lead me to coco and we’re back at square one! Lol
 
Great stuff in here, but I blink my eyes and ‘boom’ 5 pages go by...slow reader I guess.
HaHa...I find with age I do everything slower. Better, but slower....... That is my story and I'm sticking to it.:cool:
 
Geez! I’d been catching up and collected a few quotes to converse with and then my phone dies...!

Can’t go back and do that again... so...

@Blew Hiller - thanks for your detailed responses on all the worm business! Excellent share
:thanks:

And Van, couple of questions if I may..,
Do you brew the teas when you’re doing the EWC tea? I’m hoping there’s a way I can do it without the brewing or need for air stones etc.

And... I didn’t go back far enough to see... what’s wrong with your blue dream? :eek: Just saw you mention you’d learnt a lesson there... wondering what that could be...:hmmmm:
 
Lesson Learned

We have been having issues with our carbon filters here the last couple weeks. Been having much higher fluctuations in temps and wasn't sure what the issue was. Apparently the pre filters got clogged up so I had to clean them. I ordered a couple replacement pre filters. I took them off to clean them in the mean time and they are drying well.

For those of you out there, I suggest a quarterly or at least semi annual cleaning of your pre filters. I might also suggest having a back up so you can swap them out and clean them at your leisure.
I noticed that during flowering it accumulated a lot of crap on it. I will give mine a bath after I am done with this quick run. I am thinking that I need a bigger one in the main tent. I am running a 4" can fan wide open and it hasn't been an issue But I like the idea of a spare. How long did you let yours run before it became clogged?
 
I noticed that during flowering it accumulated a lot of crap on it. I will give mine a bath after I am done with this quick run. I am thinking that I need a bigger one in the main tent. I am running a 4" can fan wide open and it hasn't been an issue But I like the idea of a spare. How long did you let yours run before it became clogged?
My humidifier clogged mine up pretty quick. Like 4 months
 
No worries!

My basic plan is to grow autoflowers over the nicest summer months in my back yard, in 3 gallon smart pots sitting on my deck. I haven't really done any research yet as to soil, but I'll be looking into a soil that is newb friendly. Dabber suggested Kind Soil which is really expensive to ship to me. I’d prefer to buy something locally. I’m not averse to mixing up my own but have no experience there. Dabber also suggested Stank Soil which I assume is your recipe?

I have no experience with autos nor with soil, nor even with outdoor growing. I’m not worried about making mistakes as my indoor spring harvests should set me up well for the rest of the year. So I’m a bit of a blank slate.

Any tips you or anyone who follows has would be much appreciated.

I would suggest larger pots...7 or 10 gallon for outdoor autos.
 
For what it’s worth I’m in a major city, that also has farm land close by - so sourcing might take some legwork but would be doable. I have a pretty popular garden center very close by, as well as box stores like Home Depot.

KIS looks like a similar situation to Kind Soil, where I’ll pay 1/3 of the price on the product and 2/3 getting it shipped and imported. What are the chances local gardening centres and the like would have prepared “water only” soil such as these? I love the idea of a prepared soil I only need to water as a newb.

Maybe call the garden center nearby and ask them if they source/sell any local composted soil mixes from farms in the area. Sometimes they will deliver a half truck for $200 and then you have plenty for a year! If it is legal in your area straight up ask them if they sell some super special soil for your autos...:goodluck:
 
For what it’s worth I’m in a major city, that also has farm land close by - so sourcing might take some legwork but would be doable. I have a pretty popular garden center very close by, as well as box stores like Home Depot.

KIS looks like a similar situation to Kind Soil, where I’ll pay 1/3 of the price on the product and 2/3 getting it shipped and imported. What are the chances local gardening centres and the like would have prepared “water only” soil such as these?

I love the idea of a prepared soil I only need to water as a newb.
If youre thinking about a soil.....Theirs also a mushroom farm in Campbellford that gives away mushroom compost if you bring pails. I have directions depending on your location.
 
First off, VS, if I end up derailing your journal too much, I won't take offense if you tell me to take a hike! :D

I think it would be good to try and find something for you to try and see if you like a growing style where you don't need to do much other than train the plant IF you want to.

I think this is a great point. I'm just starting to feel like I have a good initial handle on growing generally and growing in coco specifically, and my goals with this grow will not be to maximize what I get from the format, but rather to dip a toe in - not only to growing in soil, but also to growing outside. Once the fall comes I'll be back in my coco in the tents. But who knows, maybe what I experience this summer will drive me to other experiments in the fall.

You can talk to @Guy Cavallero, he is canadian and he sourced everything I used. He might be able to give you an idea of what everything on my list ran him cost wise.

If you go to where you mix your own soil, you can get multiple runs out of it so the cost drops greatly the more you run your soil. If you are going to end up walking down the path of making your own, I suggest you consider getting into vermi-composting for sure.

Thanks, and thanks @Guy Cavallero for reaching out.

I just want to add this disclaimer.....out of everything that Guy bought.....its enough (not counting future base soil...but if you get into vermi-composting you can use some of your old recycled soil to use the base for your vermi-composting to build your base soil in the future) to do multiple batches of soil.

For me a batch gives me about 60 gallons of soil.....and I think I can get close to 3 batches of soil from that. Each batch can then be re-amended a couple times each. With a good vermi-compost set up, you could probably get 4-5 runs through with a little bit of re-amending. In the long run, it can be extremely cost efficient.

That's the thing though Van - I'm not in any way going to be making a commitment to soil, so whatever I run should effectively be contained in this grow, or with a little extra left over for experiments in the fall.

If I find that I want to continue on with soil, I think I'd quickly look to go this route and turn to you and the folks in here for advice - but for now I think my commitment needs to be just for this summer's run.

I may not have been very clear. KIS also sales a water only soil. But I was referring to their nutrient kit that allows you to cut shipping costs out as long as you can source the aeration, compost, and peat. That way you don't have to pay to ship all that stuff. They are a pretty amazing company and what they stand for is why I use them. And as Van said, it will be very easy to re amend that soil for another use. Reducing the costs even more! And I could be wrong but depending on your area I would not really trust a "water only" soil other than those that have been formulated for our target plant :yummy:.

It's probably less that you were unclear and more that I missed it, @LaquerHead.

Your line of thinking makes total sense to me - our plant has specific needs that a do-it-all solution doesn't fit.

I'll have a look at the site again and see how shipping looks, and then it's in my back pocket if I decide to mix up my own.

Dobe, i too was intrigued by the Kindsoil....until i found out about shipping. My version of Stanks' soil ran me around $650 CAD, I bought everything locally other than a couple of amendments.....to save on shipping. That made me about 230L.. Pm me if you want locations for everything I purchased.....dont wanna step on any sponsor toes.
If youre thinking about a soil.....Theirs also a mushroom farm in Campbellford that gives away mushroom compost if you bring pails. I have directions depending on your location.

Thanks @Guy Cavallero - I'm not looking to go that big quite yet, maybe once I have this grow under my belt.

I will PM you back though - doesn't sound like I'm close to you but I get down your way from time to time and could always make a dedicated trip. I think Campbellford is a couple of hours from me in the direction of Toronto? That said I bet we have the same or similar vendors close by. I've been buying from some local farmers for years, I should ask them for tips.

If you want basic newbie soil and you have a HD nearby, go with Dr Earth Pot of Gold if they carry it. I use that for all my outside plants (autos included) and mix it about 70/30 with rinsed perlite. I nute my autos starting around 18 days. I don't use "water only" soil because I want to give my autos specific nutes at specific times. Autos are on such a different clock from photos that you need to live on their timetable.

Thanks @InTheShed, I'll go have a look at what they have. I have a HD very close and it has a large garden center, but there's also a large privately owned garden center with a lot of stock very close by, so tracking things available in Canada down shouldn't be hard.

I might have to hit you up for more specific advice on feeding when I get closer to this run - I know when to boost what in photos but have no auto experience.

I would suggest larger pots...7 or 10 gallon for outdoor autos.
Maybe call the garden center nearby and ask them if they source/sell any local composted soil mixes from farms in the area. Sometimes they will deliver a half truck for $200 and then you have plenty for a year! If it is legal in your area straight up ask them if they sell some super special soil for your autos...:goodluck:

I think I might ask - the nearby garden center has some salt of the earth types who likely won't take any offense at the question, and I'm legal medically but it's also being legalized recreationally here this summer. They'd be smart to have their people in a position to answer these kinds of questions.

I was thinking 3 gallon because I expect the autos to run for about 3 months, and have heard 1 gallon per month as a basic recommendation. Do you think otherwise @Blew Hiller? I threw it out there to get feedback such as this. My only frame of reference is photos in coco indoors, which is a completely different ballgame.

Thanks for all of the feedback guys. I'm completely neutral going into this, not really tied to anything other than using autos to neatly define the timeframe.
 
From what I have heard about with autos, they tend to be triggered to flower when they become root bound. So if you want larger girls I would go with atleast 5 gallon pots. That is just me though. I have only done one auto outside and it turned out pretty terrible. It did not care for the soil it was in and it did not get as much light as it should have. If I were to do it again I would give at least 20 gallons and see what one would do. Thats just me though :)
 
I overwinter one worm bin in my basement @ 65-70F. Worms thrive @ 60-80F. If you can't do it in your basement, another option is to get an "underbed" low profile tote and stick it in your tent with pots on top of it. You only need to get into the worm bin every 2-3 weeks. If they have enough moisture (you want to see puddling of .5" on bottom in that size tote) and food they prefer to be left alone. My summer bins are outdoors and temps range from 50-90F. I use fish crates (with lids) and load them with water and enough water and media (soil, leaves, whatever) where I have about a 1-2" water puddling. I feed them 2-3 times a summer (old veggies from the farm) and they do fine. I use the next spring, so I just let them roll through winter (majority of worms die), fill my pots from the bins, restock with old dirt, handful of worms, water, food...repeat...that easy. It's having the container, the starter handful of worms, water, food (coffee, veggie peelings) and letting them do their thing. They actually feed off the bacteria of the decaying matter so having that quietly "rotting" somewhere out of the way is the whole process. No stink or mess. In three (3) months you have black gold.

As I have posted here earlier, we eat a lot of eggs (our own) so I have a old yogurt container (with lid) next to the sink. I put all our coffee grounds (we have three local roasters in a population of 10k...priorities!) and crushed eggs shells in it (with some occasional potato, carrot, cucumber peels) and that gets filled about every 5-7 days. I dump this in the basement bin and it 1) gives them food , 2) grit (egg shells) to digest, 3) moisture (always about a cup of old coffee in there). No fruits, onions, dairy, meat...obvious no nos. Stick to what I do and you are golden.

Looking back at what I wrote and laughed...a 300 word answer instead of "basement is fine. 60-80F".

Obviously I am a big fan....and so are my plants!:yummy:
What would happen if I put a worm from my back yard in my medium ? Running synthetic nutes
 
From what I have heard about with autos, they tend to be triggered to flower when they become root bound. So if you want larger girls I would go with atleast 5 gallon pots. That is just me though. I have only done one auto outside and it turned out pretty terrible. It did not care for the soil it was in and it did not get as much light as it should have. If I were to do it again I would give at least 20 gallons and see what one would do. Thats just me though :)
Autos go into flower based on genetic programming. Bigger pots just means bigger yield rather than later flowering.

No reason to go with huge pots, they don't grow long enough to use all that space. Under perfect conditions a 10 gallon would be plenty, but 7 should be fine.
 
Autos go into flower based on genetic programming. Bigger pots just means bigger yield rather than later flowering.

No reason to go with huge pots, they don't grow long enough to use all that space. Under perfect conditions a 10 gallon would be plenty, but 7 should be fine.
I understand that genetic programming is part of it. I would just err on the side of too much soil as oppposed to not enough. If you use too small of a pot and it becomes rootbound it will also start to flower. 10 gallons probably is enough I have not figured out what the ideal volume of soil is for outdoor autos. I know I have seen some monster autos get planted into raised beds and they pulled about a half pound per plant! Im just advocating for them to try and get the largest yield they can out of them if they are going to take the time and effort to run them outside :)
 
I think I might ask - the nearby garden center has some salt of the earth types who likely won't take any offense at the question, and I'm legal medically but it's also being legalized recreationally here this summer. They'd be smart to have their people in a position to answer these kinds of questions.

I was thinking 3 gallon because I expect the autos to run for about 3 months, and have heard 1 gallon per month as a basic recommendation. Do you think otherwise @Blew Hiller? I threw it out there to get feedback such as this. My only frame of reference is photos in coco indoors, which is a completely different ballgame.

Not to put a damper on all these great soil suggestions, but if you are just looking at a first time summer grow, buy some soil at the local garden center and get growing... :yahoo:...420 can be a little overwhelming with advice but at the end of the day your plant is a weed and will flourish with a solid growing medium and weekly watering.

I definitely suggest a 7/10 gallon pot: more root space, better temp insulation for roots, holds more moisture, etc. I use 25-gallon pots and don't go bigger only because that's the limit I can physically handle.

IMHO, 3-gallons are useful for up-potting and tight growing spaces.
 
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