Stanks Go Perpetual In 2018!

Van Stank said:
As stated yesterday, I ran the number on all the harvests up to this point. I want something that will relate the yield to how long you grew it as well as what size pot it was grown in. So I stole @Graytail s measurement of grams per day for each plant as well as my own grams per gallon of soil.

So here are the numbers......starting from the beginning of the perpetual.

Nukehead #1 - 101 grams, 143 days from seed (83 in veg, 60 in flower), 7 gallon smart pot = .71 grams per day and 14.43 grams per gallon
Nukehead #2 - 86 grams, 143 days from seed (70 in veg, 73 in flower), 7 gallon smart pot = .60 grams per day and 12.28 grams per gallon
Stankberry - 153 grams, 108 days from seed (46 in veg, 62 in flower), 5 gallon smart pot = 1.41 grams per day and 30.6 grams per gallon
Jack Herer Auto - 170 grams, 105 days from seed, 8 gallon smart pot = 1.62 grams per day and 21.25 grams per gallon
Blue Dream - 182 grams, 131 days from seed (71 in veg, 60 in flower), 10 gallon smart pot = 1.39 grams per day and 18.2 grams per gallon
Lil Blue - 65 grams, 82 days from clone rooting (30 in veg, 52 in flower), 3 gallon hard pot = .79 grams per day and 21.67 grams per gallon
Northern Lights - 454 grams, 141 days from seed (77 in veg, 64 in flower), 15 gallon smart pot = 3.22 grams per day and 30.26 grams per gallon

Some interesting numbers there. Not sure how I am going to use the data to interpret what its telling me but I will track this for a while. I figure there is a way to find out the optimal veg time and pot size to maximize the yield. Also shows me what strains really love my Stank Soil. I think these measurements paint a little better picture than just yield or yield per square foot or meter. Thoughts??
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Nice work Stank, It will be interesting to see the out come, Thanks for your efforts.
 
Graytail said:
Check out those numbers for the shorter veg times, VanStank. That's where the difference gets shocking. It makes a guy wonder how much value there is in vegging and training. :hmmmm: For instance, I'll have a bunch of clones coming up and they're Old by now.

I've thought about only using bloom time ...
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neikodog said:
Those are some interesting numbers Van. I've paid attention to Gray doing that and I always thought about doing it but I think just doing it for flowering would be better if you want reliable data. Like you said you can keep a clone in a small container for 5 weeks or so then put it into your veg size container for another couple months so that artificially will lower your per day gram reading than if you just put into the veg container right away. It's still pretty cool to see the differences in strains you got there.
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Well I thought about doing just flower but man that leaves a lot of unknowns as it correlates to yield per day. Say I have two plants. I veg plant A for 30 days and flip at sight of preflowers and it flowers for 60 days. 90 days total. Now I take plant B and I veg it 90 days and flower it for 60 days 150 days total. Think the yields will be anywhere close? I am thinking that breaking those two down and labeling them as 60 days each probably doesn't give me the data I am looking for since one was vegged for 3x as long. I would be curious if the yield was 3x as much. I guess what I am really looking for is a way to find out what combo of pot size and veg time will give me best yield while trying to keep my back happy. I loved the yield of the Northern Light but freakin hell she was a hassle to deal with in that tent. I could only move her around when I let her dry out. 5-10 gallon pots are much easier to grow in. Now when we get into a place where I can set up the 10'x10' tent and I have more than enough room to do grow them the way I want

Now I do agree that I can't factor in clones that I try to keep small, the same way that I do the plants from seed. So I don't intend to 'track' the clones (like the BCP and Tangie x Ghost Train Haze) the same way as the strains I grew from seed. I mean I have done everything I could to keep those two plants small until I could get rid of the Northern Lights. I could have grown those much bigger than I have which would have resulted in a much higher yield than I will get off them.

If I do take a clone and grow it like I do the strains from seed, then I will track the info.....but I think I will start including the rooting time in the data. I don't know what I will learn from all this......but its fun to try to figure a way to use it!
 
eggsman said:
Nice work Stank, It will be interesting to see the out come, Thanks for your efforts.
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Mr. Magoo said:
Everything is looking amazing over in your neck of the woods my friend...as always! Keep it up you two!
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Thanks guys and great to see ya swing through! Hope ya'll had a great weekend! Bloody hot as hell here this weekend.
 
Sounds like it would be nice to find a universal formula that maximized yield per day efficiently. Do you think that would be something that could be applied across the board to your seed photos? Or do you think there would be big variations between strains?
 
Well to really do it right.....you would need to grow out a reasonable sample size number of each strain to get a number that you were comfortable with (I hate averages......half the time your happy, half the time your sad). And if you were really getting scientific you would need to do these will multiple plants doing different veg times (such as 5 white widow plants veg'd 30 days, 5 White widow plants veg'd 45 days, 5 of them veg'd 60 days, 5 veg'd 75 days, 5 veg'd 90 days and then do them in multiple pot sizes....see where you would need to be able to grow out 100+ plants in order to do this correctly). Then you would know that for white widow, to maximize your yield, you would want to veg a plant for x number of days and flower them in x gallons pots (say 75 day in a 10 gallon pot).

Will I ever get to this point, probably not likely as I would prefer to do more pheno hunting and strain variety if I didn't have plant limits. But in my current world.....I need to grow plants bigger to meet the medicinal demands while playing around with other plants for the breeding venture! A tricky balance I hate, but at least I am legal this way.
 
Then when you did that specific type of research for enough strains, you might have a fairly decent universal ratio for giving yourself the best shot at the yield you are looking for.
 
Always so many variables. That’s part of what’s amazing about this plant too! Sometimes I have to remind myself that it’s been around for thousands of years. Lol. If it were cut and dry about any aspect we would already know. Lol
 
Pot size is one of those critical variables too. I'm trying to find a valid ratio between my 3 gallon yields and my 6 gallon yields. In the 3 gals I veg about 20 days less. Average grams/day for 3 gals is 0.215 over 114 days. For 6 gals it's 0.659 over 130 days. But half of the small ones were long sativas, so that throws another wrench in the works.
 
Graytail said:
Pot size is one of those critical variables too. I'm trying to find a valid ratio between my 3 gallon yields and my 6 gallon yields. In the 3 gals I veg about 20 days less. Average grams/day for 3 gals is 0.215 over 114 days. For 6 gals it's 0.659 over 130 days. But half of the small ones were long sativas, so that throws another wrench in the works.
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Thats why I want to include a total time from seed to harvest or clone rooting to harvest in that, but keep them separate if I needed to look further into the data (was it an extremely long veg or was it one of those 16 week sativas. So many variables.

I just think it would be valuable to know what what your medicinal needs are for you and your family and then know what you should likely run to meet those needs. Very valuable for growers doing perpetuals and needing to meet certain demands. Probably not bad info for cash croppers as well.
 
Jeez I'm finally caught up from what...7 pages? So much to comment on but first :bravo:on the pound plus! I knew I made that graphic for you for a reason :).

And rather than backtrack loads, I want have always wanted to know the answer to this question as it relates to outside grows:
Blew Hiller said:
What's your prediction on the Stanks? Mid-October?
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Van Stank said:
The ATF will likely go the longest.......so think 10-11 weeks from when it starts flowering.
The Stankberry was roughly 8 weeks from hairs showing.
I imagine the DTF will be about 9 weeks but could go longer (she is flowering now right??)
And no clue on the Kushberry Thunderfuck.....but I thinking 8-10 weeks .......so ummm....I guess you would need to figure out where the average for that will be once they are all flowering.
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Blew Hiller said:
Sounds like early mid Oct.
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When is flowering time counted from for an outside plant? They slowly start flowering sometime in mid-late July, so when are we counting from for an 8-week strain?

I'm asking for a friend ;).
 
Oh, another question while I'm thinking about it:

Is there a naming convention for clones of clones of clones of clones of seeds? I noticed your clones have names like 1.2. I just rooted an AK-47 that came off the clone of my AK that was a clone of a clone of a plant from seed. Is there a shorthand way for me to tell that story? Or maybe no one cares but me!
 
Graytail said:
Pot size is one of those critical variables too. I'm trying to find a valid ratio between my 3 gallon yields and my 6 gallon yields. In the 3 gals I veg about 20 days less. Average grams/day for 3 gals is 0.215 over 114 days. For 6 gals it's 0.659 over 130 days. But half of the small ones were long sativas, so that throws another wrench in the works.
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Yeah, see thats a big difference in my mind Gray! Strains, pot size, veg times are the main things I am interested in exploring in terms of variables. I guess it could get taken down more rabbit holes by doing further experimentation with factors like different amendments, or ACT treatment schedules, etc. But I am a lazy grower that just likes to think a lot, especially after medicating LOL. I don't want to be that regimented in doing different things to different pots or doing them in different amounts. I LOVE having gone to rainwater, I don't do anything other than water. I am doing ACT a couple times throughout the grow but thats it.

When I was using the tap water (pH 9.2) I would have to do something to make that water tolerable, my soil couldn't keep up with the plants pH needs. I would need to add fish emulsion fertilizer (acidic) at a ratio of 1 teaspoon per gallon to get me in the 6.5 pH range. But with the rain water (pH seems to be 6.4-6.6 when I have checked), I don't need to do anything other than water which is what my goal was. The three ACT treatments through out each grow is just a little icing on the cake for the herd.
 
InTheShed said:
Oh, another question while I'm thinking about it:

Is there a naming convention for clones of clones of clones of clones of seeds? I noticed your clones have names like 1.2. I just rooted an AK-47 that came off the clone of my AK that was a clone of a clone of a plant from seed. Is there a shorthand way for me to tell that story?
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Yes, so for the Northern Lights we took several cuttings. A few were given to friends and we kept 3 initially but chopped one down after we picked the best two. Ms Stanks was the one she chose and cut so I labeled mine 1.1 and hers 1.2. Not quite sure what naming convention I will go to when I start cloning my 1.1. I suppose I could go 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 but that is a bit drab. I would probably just switch it to NL 2 and repeat. Damn you Shed.....don't get me thinking more before I got to bed.
 
I'm still dialing in the small ones. I gotta figure out how to predict the correct veg time. If I can get yields up to 0.300+ I'll be back in the ballpark.
 
Okay re caught up geeze man. Well I think every plant is bound to have its limit. Bigger plants need more air exchange yada yada, especially indoors. I'm really liking growing them smaller. Van I know that's not an option for you but I doubt I'll ever exceed a 6 week veg going forward (with the exception of a potm try maybe).
Again you're in dirt though too so lots of factors!!! But I love the science of it all. Was a good read to catch up on.

@Blew Hiller I got 2 different phenos of stankberry. One is very atf dominant and I expect her to go as long as the ATF. The other one I think is gonna be closer to the one stank grew. But they look darn good brother wish I could be there to break bread and trim out with you guys.

Also gotta keep those totes FULL. No wasted space that could become VC. (Vermi compost @Smeegol ) its dirt with worms that you continually feed veggie scraps, eggshells and coffee grounds. The stuff starts to break down and the worms finish the job. Makes some killer medium apparently and only requires the worms and old dirt
 
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