SpiriTHC's 2L Hempy vs DWC-H Tsunami of Green - CycoPlatinum

re: SpiriTHC's 2L Hempy vs DWC-H Tsunami of Green - CycoPlatinum

the dehumidifier is not pulling air into to the room.. its taking the moisture out..

its just the motor when working a lot to get humidity down exhausts plenty of heat.
so i duct it out of the room as well as the drain line so it continue to be on.. not only for 70 pints.. cause that happens within less then 12 hours the tank gets full.. now its being drained into a 20 gallon reservoir.. which i use for feeding :)
 
re: SpiriTHC's 2L Hempy vs DWC-H Tsunami of Green - CycoPlatinum

I rather not... the girls are doing so good and are happy.. I dont wanna stress them in any way

plus I think Jorge Cervantes is right for the most part about defoliation.. it is not necessary and not proven to do anything.. but for certain can cause a problem/stress for the plant..

besides I have a ton of circulation of air in there! ;)
 
re: SpiriTHC's 2L Hempy vs DWC-H Tsunami of Green - CycoPlatinum

SpiriTHC said:
the dehumidifier is not pulling air into to the room.. its taking the moisture out..

its just the motor when working a lot to get humidity down exhausts plenty of heat.
so i duct it out of the room as well as the drain line so it continue to be on.. not only for 70 pints.. cause that happens within less then 12 hours the tank gets full.. now its being drained into a 20 gallon reservoir.. which i use for feeding :)
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Right, but since you've not got a "sealed" system, if you're venting out air, it has to the air that is going out must be replaced by air coming in somewhere... pin leaks, around vents, electric sockets... somewhere.

But my concern was actually for the reverse, that you were "leaking" air that had not been scrubbed, but your system is leaking "in" instead of out, so it's not as important... unless you're exhaust from the dehumidifier is not scrubbed...
 
re: SpiriTHC's 2L Hempy vs DWC-H Tsunami of Green - CycoPlatinum

SpiriTHC said:
I rather not... the girls are doing so good and are happy.. I dont wanna stress them in any way

plus I think Jorge Cervantes is right for the most part about defoliation.. it is not necessary and not proven to do anything.. but for certain can cause a problem/stress for the plant..

besides I have a ton of circulation of air in there! ;)
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Hey spirit, I know you may be afraid to change anything, but I agree with tiptop per, defoliation, especially on your scale would make a huge difference. Both 420fied and Xare showed very noticeable differences after defoliation, almost 4 grams per plant I believe. Just give t some thought... Personally I look at it as an excuse to get up close and personal with each of my girls :) looking good
 
re: SpiriTHC's 2L Hempy vs DWC-H Tsunami of Green - CycoPlatinum

Spirit, there have been some journals where guys have documented gains in yield with this method. I think cervantes is speaking for a different style of growing then what u have going on there. Im pretty sure he is not doing sog in 2L's. For that matter he is probably not even indoors. This technique is for indoors under H.I.D lighting. When i refer to opening them up, I dont mean ventilation, I mean penetration. This is the perfect opportunity for u to test it out. U have the numbers. 1 or 2 of each wont hurt your #'s at all. Plus the benefit of added co2 circulation. Try it man. Your experimenting now. Have 2 experiments instead of 1. Its not too late...
 
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Plus if I recall right u having said that ur lights are 2ft. above canopy. That is really limiting the intensity of ur lighting. U would actually get more intensity from 600's at 12 inches that what u are getting now. Just remember that the light we see is different than the wavelengths that the plants feed off of. We cant see their light. Just trying to help man. Always room for improvement. Ur room temps seem dialed in. I remember u saying that u were getting light burn. But was that b4 or after u got ur enviroment dialed in? If b4 I would suggest maybe bring them down to around 18 inches and see how they react. From looking at the pictures the plants look happy, and that is a good thing. But the only limiting factor in ur enviromental equation that I see is light distance. Really the only reason to use co2 in my opinion is so that the plants can achieve optimum yield. For that u would want higher levels of nutes powerful lighting and higher temps. Im not saying u wont yield good. Just saying that the bottoms could end up like the tops with defoil and moving the light closer. Looks good either way my friend...
 
re: SpiriTHC's 2L Hempy vs DWC-H Tsunami of Green - CycoPlatinum

SpiriTHC said:
Alright so tonight when I go in there I am going to defoliate the girls !

We'll see how it plays out :)
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sweet, im kind of tracking your girls and mine seeing were only about a week apart. I defoil all mine on day 21/45....cant wait to try out some 2LH-DWC in my next to rotations....and can't lie im a little bias and pulling for BPN in this run!!
 
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Hey spiri, the girls are looking sweet:yahoo:, the room also, looks like you got it dialed.:goodjob: You should be proud, do you know how long it takes the average home grower to build a room of that caliber? Some growers never have a room like that. Keep up the hard work and it will become easier down the line. Keep em green,:peace: out.
 
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Hey bigpapa!

Nice ! when do you harvest?
I finish in week 6-7ish so I am half way there! :)
I defoliated half of CYCO and half of BPN
And left the rest untouched and still crammed together! ;)
Really looking forward to finding out whether defoliating actually matters..
I personally think it does not.. I don't feel like the plant needs light on the flower to make this process happen (although I am not a botanist) I guess that the foliage and everything plays a very important role as you can clearly see the plant is a repeating pattern.. I know those fan and shade leaves are there to not let things get that light.. and absorbs what is necessary for the plant to use and hold it while shading and "fan leafing" it up.. also I believe it may be hacking good healthy leaves producing the chlorophyll that the plant needs and the food!

But it seems that 420fied and Xare along with many others use the method and its proven not to kill or do much damage or shock (unless done before the "stretch" in flowering stage)
Mine were done on day 26.. so the stretch should be complete!

Oh well, time will decide from here!
I hope it works! Poor girls lost a lot of good looking leaves!

As far as the 2L-DWC-H.. they are working.. not like I thought to be quite honest, there are a few that haven't touched down into the reservoir sitting on the bottom.. even with all of the plenty holes and everything to easily find it's way.. it has not.. I personally believe those would do better in full 2L Hempy(s) the standard version.

Likewise this is the 1st grow which is mainly used to data and research every aspect! So I can really create an optimal grow room in simple home! So this is the experiment and test run!

Next week I will be dropping another 50 clone(s) into the standard 2L Hempy(s) !
We will be having them side by side for about a week or two! Will look cool! First double up wave!

Coming Soon!..

:Namaste:



Bigpappa1983 said:
sweet, im kind of tracking your girls and mine seeing were only about a week apart. I defoil all mine on day 21/45....cant wait to try out some 2LH-DWC in my next to rotations....and can't lie im a little bias and pulling for BPN in this run!!
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Hey smoke!
Thanks bro! I am very proud of myself! but I know that there are better moments to come!
I am still getting every aspect of the room dialed in! I hit environment control to a reasonable stage now! with a temp of 72-81F (Night-Day) and a rH 40-50% (night-day) So I cannot complain! Still getting the c02 dialed in to where I want it! and next is the auto-drip irrigation! Which is a MAIN thing to do! Will give me so much more time to test things and expand this grow into higher yield(s)

So honestly, the truth to your question in terms of how long does it take ..i have no clue
I dedicate my life to this right now.. it is on my mind 24-7 and I try to figure things out on a regular.. when I built the room so many things were changing.. I made recent changes to expand the mother chamber! So all in all it is a home improvement that hasn't ended.. and I know will not end anytime soon.. Which I personally enjoy.. this is the task to become the expert! So I don't feel so average.. shit, no one who grows in my opinion is quite average.. The more you want and work for.. the more you get.. that's why some growers never have a room like this.. and yet, this is my first one...

I do not say this to brag or be arrogant in any manner!
I have made more sacrifices that some could imagine to make this happen.. and it took me a matter of months.. some months to think and learn and about 1 month and a half of building.. but if i knew what i do now back then.. I would say less then a month! working long hard day! which will be straight so you can get the moms bush out and maximize your space!

Thanks for the support smoke!
Keep it GREEEEEN

smokemifugotm said:
Hey spiri, the girls are looking sweet:yahoo:, the room also, looks like you got it dialed.:goodjob: You should be proud, do you know how long it takes the average home grower to build a room of that caliber? Some growers never have a room like that. Keep up the hard work and it will become easier down the line. Keep em green,:peace: out.
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Just to help "shed some light" (:rofl:) on this issue...

The reason Cervantes recommends not to defoliate is based on outdoor growing. Those fan leaves provide water and nutrients to help sustain the plant during times of drought.

BUT, for us indoor growers, we're continuously watering our plants and pumping them full of high concentrations of nutes, so those fan leaves are NOT needed.

Removing them increases air circulation, and more importantly, improves light penetration while allowing the plant to focus its energies on bud development.

When I started growing, I was NOT defoliating and was pretty skeptical about this also. But, since I've tried it, I've never done it any other way.

I can guarantee you will notice an increase in bud development, especially in the lower bud sites. In my 2L SOG, with defoliating at 21 & 45 days, there is no such thing as "popcorn bud" and even the lower buds are nice and dense! :MoreNutes:
 
re: SpiriTHC's 2L Hempy vs DWC-H Tsunami of Green - CycoPlatinum

Mr. Krip said:
Just to help "shed some light" (:rofl:) on this issue...

The reason Cervantes recommends not to defoliate is based on outdoor growing. Those fan leaves provide water and nutrients to help sustain the plant during times of drought.

BUT, for us indoor growers, we're continuously watering our plants and pumping them full of high concentrations of nutes, so those fan leaves are NOT needed.

Removing them increases air circulation, and more importantly, improves light penetration while allowing the plant to focus its energies on bud development.

When I started growing, I was NOT defoliating and was pretty skeptical about this also. But, since I've tried it, I've never done it any other way.

I can guarantee you will notice an increase in bud development, especially in the lower bud sites. In my 2L SOG, with defoliating at 21 & 45 days, there is no such thing as "popcorn bud" and even the lower buds are nice and dense! :MoreNutes:
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I'd rep you again but it won't let me :)

So Mr Krip do you leave ANY fan leaves?
 
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Alaskan1 said:
I'd rep you again but it won't let me :)

So Mr Krip do you leave ANY fan leaves?
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Not really! If it's got a stem, I pretty much remove it. Definately doh't be afraid to be agressive on the trimming, but 420fied lays it out pretty well in his journal starting with THIS POST

Even after heavy defoliation at 21 days, the leaves grow back out and you defoliate again at 45 days!
 
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SpiriTHC said:
Hey bigpapa!

Nice ! when do you harvest?
I finish in week 6-7ish so I am half way there! :)
I defoliated half of CYCO and half of BPN
And left the rest untouched and still crammed together! ;)
Really looking forward to finding out whether defoliating actually matters..
I personally think it does not.. I don't feel like the plant needs light on the flower to make this process happen (although I am not a botanist) I guess that the foliage and everything plays a very important role as you can clearly see the plant is a repeating pattern.. I know those fan and shade leaves are there to not let things get that light.. and absorbs what is necessary for the plant to use and hold it while shading and "fan leafing" it up.. also I believe it may be hacking good healthy leaves producing the chlorophyll that the plant needs and the food!

But it seems that 420fied and Xare along with many others use the method and its proven not to kill or do much damage or shock (unless done before the "stretch" in flowering stage)
Mine were done on day 26.. so the stretch should be complete!

Oh well, time will decide from here!
I hope it works! Poor girls lost a lot of good looking leaves!

As far as the 2L-DWC-H.. they are working.. not like I thought to be quite honest, there are a few that haven't touched down into the reservoir sitting on the bottom.. even with all of the plenty holes and everything to easily find it's way.. it has not.. I personally believe those would do better in full 2L Hempy(s) the standard version.

Likewise this is the 1st grow which is mainly used to data and research every aspect! So I can really create an optimal grow room in simple home! So this is the experiment and test run!

Next week I will be dropping another 50 clone(s) into the standard 2L Hempy(s) !
We will be having them side by side for about a week or two! Will look cool! First double up wave!

Coming Soon!..

:Namaste:
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Dang 6-7 weeks....i need to get me some of those LOL Purple widow is a 8 week plant but i run it at 10 the last two weeks in 8 hours of light, it likes to really crystal up cuz of its white widow heritage.

Yea my plants finish there stretch right around day 21 so i defoil then, and again on 45 like a lot are saying. On my last crop, even though the buds didn't fill in to a cola every one of top to bottom were like rocks! Not to mention they stuck to walls!
Here is hoping you get turned into a believer. My first two crops were much like Cervantes said unless its 75% dead just leave it be.

Hmm it looks like our grows in general will be close together, the clones i have now just started to show some root nubs....the seem to be taking a little longer than my last batch, my guess is they will be under my t5 banks in about a week......and im doing at least a few of them as 2LH-DWC!!
 
re: SpiriTHC's 2L Hempy vs DWC-H Tsunami of Green - CycoPlatinum

De-fo-li-a-tion... there is no foil present, so no need to defoil them...

I can attest to the best days to defoliate as 21 and 45. I ran a small SOG as the first test in my cardboard flower box and all the plants in it were 95% to 100% covered with bud. Bud sticks I call them. The ones that kept their fan leaves were lollipops.
 
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Mr. Krip said:
Not really! If it's got a stem, I pretty much remove it. Definately doh't be afraid to be agressive on the trimming, but 420fied lays it out pretty well in his journal starting with THIS POST

Even after heavy defoliation at 21 days, the leaves grow back out and you defoliate again at 45 days!
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always have been of fan of your work as well as 420fied.. I suppose I will do it! Maybe leave one for plant of the month nomination if i ever decide to do something like that!

well here's an update of some pictures during day 26 of flowering.. I will show the defoliation picture(s) later on tonight


DAY 26
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THINGS ARE LOOKING PRETTY IN THERE! PICTURE WAS DONE BY A SIMPLE SMART PHONE.. LOL NOTHING SPECIAL! I LIKE IT THO!

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FILLING IN QUITE NICE!

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