Some of my seedlings have weak stems

[bluter]

Directly into the ground, one week from now.

they are looking good for that.. i would have given them maybe 10 days to 2 wks for ground transplant, but they are maturing faster than what i expected from the earlier posts.

nice work.

If outside, I would spread them out a bit and get them up where they can catch a breeze.

agree with @stinker - they need to be a bit more exposed.

edit: i wouldn't bother with the struggler too much for an outdoor grow.

 

[Phillybonker]

If outside, I would spread them out a bit and get them up where they can catch a breeze.

I'll spread them out tomorrow when I next visit.

Although it's a bit hard to tell, the container is quite shallow, you can see the bottom seedling has one of it's leaves over the top of the container and the seedling in the top right corner also has it's leaf over the top of the container. They do get blown around a bit.

In saying that, ideally the container could be a little more shallower I guess, and that's something I'll look into next time.

 

[Phillybonker]

they are looking good for that.. i would have given them maybe 10 days to 2 wks for ground transplant, but they are maturing faster than what i expected from the earlier posts.

nice work.

Thanks. The earlier post was taken two days before I posted it, so the two photos are showing the seedlings five days apart.

agree with @stinker - they need to be a bit more exposed.

I plan on spreading them out tomorrow, and I might even take them out of their container, I'll see how it goes.

edit: i wouldn't bother with the struggler too much for an outdoor grow.

Yep, it's most likely going to get binned.

 

[MedicalMe]

Assuming no damping off or some other issue, ramp the soil up around the stems to help support them. They'll respond by sending out roots from the stem. Ever see the bumps on the stems of more mature plants? Those are the beginnings of roots, awaiting the touch of soil. It's like growing tomato plants: when transplanting from small containers, removing the lowermost leaves and burying the stem up to that point will stimulate rooting and therefore stronger, thicker stems.

 

[Phillybonker]

Assuming no damping off or some other issue, ramp the soil up around the stems to help support them. They'll respond by sending out roots from the stem. Ever see the bumps on the stems of more mature plants? Those are the beginnings of roots, awaiting the touch of soil. It's like growing tomato plants: when transplanting from small containers, removing the lowermost leaves and burying the stem up to that point will stimulate rooting and therefore stronger, thicker stems.

Ah I see, cheers for the information, I didn't know that about roots randomly popping out from the stem when in contact with soil. Without giving it much thought I always assumed the roots always come out from the bottom of the stem.

 

[bluter]

Ah I see, cheers for the information, I didn't know that about roots randomly popping out from the stem when in contact with soil. Without giving it much thought I always assumed the roots always come out from the bottom of the stem.

if you outdoor grow wild the branches can bend to soil the and root into secondary plants.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Lookin' good! What strain ya growin' there?

 

[SmokingWings]

I always assumed the roots always come out from the bottom of the stem.

Kinda depends on what you would consider the end of the stem.

When I take cuttings for clones the new roots could come from the very end where the cut is or from just about anywhere on the stem that remains wet or is below the water line.

 

[Phillybonker]

if you outdoor grow wild the branches can bend to soil the and root into secondary plants.

That'll be a crazy sight to see

 

[Phillybonker]

Lookin' good! What strain ya growin' there?

Two thirds of the seedlings are Eleven Roses which is a strain I've grown in two previous seasons, specifically chosen for it's high resistance to botrytis which is a major problem where I grow.

The other one third of the seedlings are Sugar Black Rose and Golosa which I received as freebies.

 

[Phillybonker]

Kinda depends on what you would consider the end of the stem.

When I take cuttings for clones the new roots could come from the very end where the cut is or from just about anywhere on the stem that remains wet or is below the water line.

Good point.

Now that you mention it, I'm going to try do some cloning on this grow (first time), I'm going to put the cuttings straight into starter soil and see how it goes.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Two thirds of the seedlings are Eleven Roses which is a strain I've grown in two previous seasons, specifically chosen for it's high resistance to botrytis which is a major problem where I grow.

Where I grow as well!

The other one third of the seedlings are Sugar Black Rose and Golosa which I received as freebies.

SBR should be excellent. That's one I have identified as having high botrytis resistance. The sativa pheno, that is. From my research, SBR has 4 known phenos, and only 1 is a sativa. I don't know much about the indica phenos. It looks like there may be an indica pheno (or phenos) that have pinene dominant.

Eleven Roses is typically known for having main terpenes beta-caryophyllene, limonene, myrcene. Which means it's a typical indica, so probably some phenos are not particularly bud rot resistant. Some pheno(s) may have high amounts of ocimene, which along with terpinolene seem to be markers of botrytis resistance.

Some indica phenos I've identified as promising for bud rot resistance are Afghan Kush, Northern Lights #5, Grand Daddy Purple, Banana Kush and Critical Kush. I'll likely be trying out NL5 soon.

 

[Phillybonker]

Where I grow as well!


SBR should be excellent. That's one I have identified as having high botrytis resistance. The sativa pheno, that is. From my research, SBR has 4 known phenos, and only 1 is a sativa. I don't know much about the indica phenos. It looks like there may be an indica pheno (or phenos) that have pinene dominant.

I didn't know Sugar Black Rose has 4 phenos but I sure hope I got the high resistant ones.

Eleven Roses is typically known for having main terpenes beta-caryophyllene, limonene, myrcene. Which means it's a typical indica, so probably some phenos are not particularly bud rot resistant. Some pheno(s) may have high amounts of ocimene, which along with terpinolene seem to be markers of botrytis resistance.

Eleven Roses has a loose bud structure which is what helps it against botrytis.

Some indica phenos I've identified as promising for bud rot resistance are Afghan Kush, Northern Lights #5, Grand Daddy Purple, Banana Kush and Critical Kush. I'll likely be trying out NL5 soon.

Let us know how NL5 manages against the dreaded mold.

 

[cbdhemp808]

I didn't know Sugar Black Rose has 4 phenos but I sure hope I got the high resistant ones.

That's what I found out doing my research, but I haven't grown it yet. It's high on my list for sure. I don't know what the probability distribution is for the 4 phenos, but when you plant your seed, you'll get some random selection of the 4 phenos. I'm guessing the indica phenos will be the most likely, which makes sense, because it's advertised as an indica. In my research, I recall that the sativa pheno was strongly sativa dominant. This must be rare, because SBR's lineage is heavily indica, with Skunk #1 contributing some sativa genetics (Acapulco Gold and Columbian Gold). The Skunk #1 comes from SBR's parent, Critical Mass.

Eleven Roses has a loose bud structure which is what helps it against botrytis.

I bet it also has high resin production, like its parent SBR. This translates to both THC potency and total terpenes. High total terpenes implies better bud rot resistance. I'm a detractor when it comes to bud structure and botrytis, instead favoring the theory that terpenes and high resin production are the primary drivers of resistance.

Let us know how NL5 manages against the dreaded mold.

 

[Phillybonker]

That's what I found out doing my research, but I haven't grown it yet. It's high on my list for sure. I don't know what the probability distribution is for the 4 phenos, but when you plant your seed, you'll get some random selection of the 4 phenos. I'm guessing the indica phenos will be the most likely, which makes sense, because it's advertised as an indica. In my research, I recall that the sativa pheno was strongly sativa dominant. This must be rare, because SBR's lineage is heavily indica, with Skunk #1 contributing some sativa genetics (Acapulco Gold and Columbian Gold). The Skunk #1 comes from SBR's parent, Critical Mass.

Sugar Black Rose has won a lot of awards so I'm honored to be grown her.

I bet it also has high resin production, like its parent SBR. This translates to both THC potency and total terpenes. High total terpenes implies better bud rot resistance.

Yeah it does have high resin production.

I'm a detractor when it comes to bud structure and botrytis, instead favoring the theory that terpenes and high resin production are the primary drivers of resistance.

Well whatever the primary drivers are I hope my plants hold up this grow because I got absolutely slaughtered by mold last season when I made the mistake of choosing another strain.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Yes, good luck on that. Will you be starting a grow journal?

Let me know if you'd like my recommendations for sativa and 50/50. I already mentioned my indica possibles, and NL5 seems to be the best bet, and I found a solid source for seed from the Bodhi line. The only strain/pheno I've grown that's 100% bud rot resistant is a pheno of HI-BISCUS from Humboldt Seed Co. She's a 50/50 with sativa effects. I've got two clones of her in flower now, one in a SIP bucket.

I highly recommend taking clone cuttings of all your plants, labeling them according to their moms, and then if you find phenos that are super bud rot resistant, you can perpetuate them.

 

[Phillybonker]

Yes, good luck on that.

Thanks

Will you be starting a grow journal?

I can't start a journal because I grow out in the forestry and visits will be purposely infrequent to avoid leaving tracks and footprints for rippers to follow, I'll only visit when absolutely necessary which will be about 3 - 4 times before harvest.

Let me know if you'd like my recommendations for sativa and 50/50. I already mentioned my indica possibles, and NL5 seems to be the best bet, and I found a solid source for seed from the Bodhi line.

My plants are out in the forest with no cover from the rain and sometimes it can rain for 2 - 3 days non-stop in late bloom. If you can recommend anything preferably along the sativa lines that can handle those conditions I'm willing to put a few out to test them next season.

The only strain/pheno I've grown that's 100% bud rot resistant is a pheno of HI-BISCUS from Humboldt Seed Co. She's a 50/50 with sativa effects. I've got two clones of her in flower now, one in a SIP bucket.

Don't lose those clones.

I highly recommend taking clone cuttings of all your plants, labeling them according to their moms, and then if you find phenos that are super bud rot resistant, you can perpetuate them.

Yes good idea, I'll have to learn how to do cloning first, something I'm going to try this season.

 

[cbdhemp808]

My plants are out in the forest with no cover from the rain and sometimes it can rain for 2 - 3 days non-stop in late bloom. If you can recommend anything preferably along the sativa lines that can handle those conditions I'm willing to put a few out to test them next season.

I answered HERE.

 

[SmokingWings]

I highly recommend taking clone cuttings of all your plants, labeling them according to their moms, and then if you find phenos that are super bud rot resistant, you can perpetuate them.

Yes, what cbdhemp808 mentions. Labels will help track the cutting back to the mother plant. Later, if all goes well the future generations of cuttings can be traced back.

Sure beats trying to guess if the cutting is actually from the mother plant you hope it is or was from.

Adding basic notes like the day the cutting was taken, the day it was ready to go from the cloning process into soil or any medium that will hold the roots, the day it started to show flowers all helps to keep track of the health of that particular phenotype.

 

[cbdhemp808]

It's really all about the phenos, because gems are buried in the mix of results you get from even the most stable seed lines. This goes for a number of characteristics, including bud rot resistance. The trick is to set yourself up with a minimal pheno hunt if possible. This is where I'm at in my quest for fungus/mold resistant strains/phenos, and I narrow down the field by looking at terpene profiles. From that, I arrive at potential strains and look for the best breeder and supplier of seeds.

One more I forgot to mention: The Slymer cut of Chernobyl, ~60% sativa. High resin production, terpinolene dominant plus pine terps.