Dr Bob
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Love this pic. Love the light mixing.
How are you going to harvest the pollen? Do you attach bags on the flowers and let them release on their own or do you have another way?
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Love this pic. Love the light mixing.
How are you going to harvest the pollen? Do you attach bags on the flowers and let them release on their own or do you have another way?
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SmokerJoe
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I grow the males in a seperate location if that isnt a option I cut off one branch and put it in water and nutrient. I use a paint brush or a grill brush and paint it on individual flowers. If I have multiple types of pollen I lebel the individual branches using colored rubber bands so I can identify which seeds came which parents.
Dr Bob
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How long can you keep the pollen that way? (cut off and in the nutrient) I had heard of folks gathering in baggies then freezing the pollen for future use. I have never done anything but paint directly from the plant (as you do with a brush) onto a flower. Never tried to keep the pollen or branch but I can see how handy that would be.
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2 weeks then the branch just dies real fast after that but it can be collected into a plastic little bowl and the pollen will keep well. Itf you time it well the flowers will open up and you can collect then throw the branch away. You can get hundreds of seeds with the pollen of just 1 branch. This is all it takes for a small breeding program.
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SmokerJoe
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I guess everyone went to sleep. All by myself. Dont want to be all by myself. Oh well see everyone tomorrow
Dr Bob
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Hey wait! I'm still checking in here! Ah well, you answered my question very well anyway so I guess a night of sleep is well deserved. Go for it my good man and thanks for the pollen info. This is on my list when GDP finally gets back in stock somewhere...anywhere!
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If ya got a question and hurry I will answer it before I go.
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Alright then bob have a good night talk to you later 
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Good morning/evening/night I havent posted any bits of wisdom for a few days and so today I figured I would come up with a good one. I have got at least 10 private messages about flowering and so I thought to cover it today and since I haven't posted for a few days this will be a lengthy one so hope it helps you in your garden
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Lights for pre flowering plants
The light environment should be stable and well insulated. An unstable light cycle or some stray light seeping into the garden may interrupt the flowering process by delaying or preventing it altogether. Simple timers are used to maintain a consistent light cycle as doing it manually could be bad if you forget or to high to do it consistently
The light environment should be stable and well insulated. An unstable light cycle or some stray light seeping into the garden may interrupt the flowering process by delaying or preventing it altogether. Simple timers are used to maintain a consistent light cycle as doing it manually could be bad if you forget or to high to do it consistently
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Pruning and training
Proper defoliation and training will help to promote even growth a maximum buds for the factors you have given to your buds only limited by genetics. Twist ties can be used to slow down really tall plants and allow smaller plants to catch up. You can put shorter plants on books or those sturdy plastic milk crates or whatever you want. For seedlings in smaller containers I use vhs tapes because thats the most use they have seen in a decade haha. Support stakes or netting will support branches will buds mature but personally I create multiple knots in the stems to make them very strong its the same principle as a bone break when it grows back it is stronger because of the calcium in your bones fortifying the break. In plants a break or crunch of the stem will have it grow back many times stronger and thicker and form knuckles on the plants that will be able to support bigger yields. To do this take the stem in between your fingers and then press it until you hear a audible crunch. You can do this every few inches and it will repair the stem in a day or 2 and be super strong. If you are strong enough you can rebreak those knots and make it even stronger. If you do the crunching action a few different places on a stem then the branch will go lip and it becomes very easy to train and is how I get 3 foot tall plants to be under 2 feet easily. Pruning shouldnt be done after preflowering because the plant is already going through enough as it is. I know a lot of you do and defoliate a lot but I try to just tuck the leaves under the shoots and then secure the fan leaves to the main stem using something soft such as yarn but sometimes a leaf is blocking 3 or 4 shoots and so is much more productive to get rid of the leaf. Have a plan and dont just defoliate because you see others defoliate because most often they copy each other because they think thats what you do and while that is ok make sure you know why you are defoliating and have a plan.
Proper defoliation and training will help to promote even growth a maximum buds for the factors you have given to your buds only limited by genetics. Twist ties can be used to slow down really tall plants and allow smaller plants to catch up. You can put shorter plants on books or those sturdy plastic milk crates or whatever you want. For seedlings in smaller containers I use vhs tapes because thats the most use they have seen in a decade haha. Support stakes or netting will support branches will buds mature but personally I create multiple knots in the stems to make them very strong its the same principle as a bone break when it grows back it is stronger because of the calcium in your bones fortifying the break. In plants a break or crunch of the stem will have it grow back many times stronger and thicker and form knuckles on the plants that will be able to support bigger yields. To do this take the stem in between your fingers and then press it until you hear a audible crunch. You can do this every few inches and it will repair the stem in a day or 2 and be super strong. If you are strong enough you can rebreak those knots and make it even stronger. If you do the crunching action a few different places on a stem then the branch will go lip and it becomes very easy to train and is how I get 3 foot tall plants to be under 2 feet easily. Pruning shouldnt be done after preflowering because the plant is already going through enough as it is. I know a lot of you do and defoliate a lot but I try to just tuck the leaves under the shoots and then secure the fan leaves to the main stem using something soft such as yarn but sometimes a leaf is blocking 3 or 4 shoots and so is much more productive to get rid of the leaf. Have a plan and dont just defoliate because you see others defoliate because most often they copy each other because they think thats what you do and while that is ok make sure you know why you are defoliating and have a plan.
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Flowering
From humble beginnings grows enormous beauty the size potency and ripening of your pot depends on the strains genetics and environment. Sativa and sativa dominant strains take 100 or more days to ripen while indica and indica dominant strains take as little as 45-60. For new growers once they see buds they get impatient and pick them. Dont do it. If your gonna be that impatient and skip out on tons of growth it isnt worth growing. Most of the growth happens in the last 2-3 weeks and harvesting to early you are skipping all of that. Some nutrients claim to add a extra wave of flowers such as fox farm tiger bloom or big bloom.
From humble beginnings grows enormous beauty the size potency and ripening of your pot depends on the strains genetics and environment. Sativa and sativa dominant strains take 100 or more days to ripen while indica and indica dominant strains take as little as 45-60. For new growers once they see buds they get impatient and pick them. Dont do it. If your gonna be that impatient and skip out on tons of growth it isnt worth growing. Most of the growth happens in the last 2-3 weeks and harvesting to early you are skipping all of that. Some nutrients claim to add a extra wave of flowers such as fox farm tiger bloom or big bloom.
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Phytochrome
During the dark period the plants produce a chemical called Phytochrome. When in a 12/12 light cycle is active the plant will think it is fall and time to flower. Phytochrome is photo sensitive and destroyed with the presence of light. Light pollution during the night cycle will prevent flowering or will produce hermaprodites
During the dark period the plants produce a chemical called Phytochrome. When in a 12/12 light cycle is active the plant will think it is fall and time to flower. Phytochrome is photo sensitive and destroyed with the presence of light. Light pollution during the night cycle will prevent flowering or will produce hermaprodites
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Other options for flowering that arent 12/12
Maintaining the 12/12 cycle for flowering is the standard for producing buds. If you want to speed up flowering all you do is increase the dark period such as 11/13 or 10/14. These cycles will encourage the plants to finish faster but the yield will be less. You can further reduce to 8/16 to even further increase finish time but this cycle has a tendency to produce hermaphrodites or have plants switch sex entirely which a few people in my journal have said is not possible but it is and they are wrong. A superior technique is to utilize longer light cycles while still giving the 12 hours of darkness such as 24/12 which encourages faster maturation and increase bud size.
Maintaining the 12/12 cycle for flowering is the standard for producing buds. If you want to speed up flowering all you do is increase the dark period such as 11/13 or 10/14. These cycles will encourage the plants to finish faster but the yield will be less. You can further reduce to 8/16 to even further increase finish time but this cycle has a tendency to produce hermaphrodites or have plants switch sex entirely which a few people in my journal have said is not possible but it is and they are wrong. A superior technique is to utilize longer light cycles while still giving the 12 hours of darkness such as 24/12 which encourages faster maturation and increase bud size.
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Timing
It is common for seed started plants to finish at different times even if they are all the same strain and in the same conditions. Having identical flowering time is more important to rotational gardeners who have new plants waiting for that space. Clones always finish a day or 2 of each other when cutting taken the same day.
It is common for seed started plants to finish at different times even if they are all the same strain and in the same conditions. Having identical flowering time is more important to rotational gardeners who have new plants waiting for that space. Clones always finish a day or 2 of each other when cutting taken the same day.
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Well that seems a good place to stop so now I will just wait for people to arrive and for the lights to come on in my grow room.
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Going to check those vids out later 
nice work on the training!
nice work on the training!