SIPing BeyondClouds - The Journey Begins (A 420Magazine Rookie Tale)

Aye , more the merrier dude , i'll Pop in now & then to pick up some pointers , the claw leaves might be a sign its a bit to hot or lights to close though normaly up claws ?. but your girls are looking good all the same
Hey ThirdUncle :ciao: Nice to see you here. I don‘t think that it has something to do with light. Running it a lil above 50% with 30cm distance to the canopy…you might be right on too much nutrient cause the soil a used in my seedling container was prefertilised
 
The claw and dark green is often a sign of top much N, but the newer leaves look fine. Those lowers likely won't fix themselves so you'll have a reminder of what once was in your grow. :p
Thank you Azi. Thought it has something to do with nutrient….should i counterattack it somehow? Anything i should look out for?

Grapefruit Superstar also shows slightly burned tips, which i overall take as a good sign for the sonnenerde soil being loaded with good stuff. 😎
 
Thank you Azi. Thought it has something to do with nutrient….should i counterattack it somehow? Anything i should look out for?
I'll bet it has something to do with your water. Check out the Chart for what clues to watch for.

Grapefruit Superstar also shows slightly burned tips, which i overall take as a good sign for the sonnenerde soil being loaded with good stuff. 😎
In organics, slightly burnt tips mean they're getting just a little bit more than they need, but if it doesn't get much worse you're likely fine.
 
Seems to my eyes that both Kosher Choco Kush showing signs of a deficit. If you look close you can see a lighter green / yellowing between the veins of the newer leaves. (Cal maybe? Considering I gave a lil Mag into the water in the reservoir that may have thrown of the balance.) Here a close up of Kosher Choco Kush 1 showing it lil better (besides some shiny spots on the leaf that won‘t get off. Can‘t remember seeing something like that anywhere ever) 🤔

 
I'll bet it has something to do with your water. Check out the Chart for what clues to watch for.


In organics, slightly burnt tips mean they're getting just a little bit more than they need, but if it doesn't get much worse you're likely fine.
Thank you Azi for that Chart 🙏 It is bookmarked. I also already did lil catch up on the thread (on page 6 of 230+ 😂) Great stuff. Always loved the science part about growing.

My water? Pretty sure, if this is your bet. 😅 Like I said earlier. Not trying to play with big boys here. But I‘m eager to learn. What do you think? Would a excess of Mag show those signs? I remember the Mulder Chart where Mag and Nitrogen synergize, if I‘m correct. May this be why we see signs of nitrogen excess on the older fan leaves? But if so, enough Cal should be present, right? Otherwise the Mag would lock the nitrogen and we would see a deficit, if I understood @Gee64 right (and honestly I’m not sure, cause I had to read it at least twice just to be sure that we still talk about weed not rocket science 🚀 😂 Good stuff though 😎)
 
Thank you Azi for that Chart 🙏 It is bookmarked. I also already did lil catch up on the thread (on page 6 of 230+ 😂) Great stuff. Always loved the science part about growing.

My water? Pretty sure, if this is your bet. 😅 Like I said earlier. Not trying to play with big boys here. But I‘m eager to learn. What do you think? Would a excess of Mag show those signs? I remember the Mulder Chart where Mag and Nitrogen synergize, if I‘m correct. May this be why we see signs of nitrogen excess on the older fan leaves? But if so, enough Cal should be present, right? Otherwise the Mag would lock the nitrogen and we would see a deficit, if I understood @Gee64 right (and honestly I’m not sure, cause I had to read it at least twice just to be sure that we still talk about weed not rocket science 🚀 😂 Good stuff though 😎)
Hey BC✌️👊

I would start by scoping those leaves with a magnifier. That may be bugs.

I'm no expert on bugs, I try hard to avoid them.

Look at the tops and bottoms for webbing and such.

Are you using living soil or synthetics?
 
Hey BC✌️👊

I would start by scoping those leaves with a magnifier. That may be bugs.

I'm no expert on bugs, I try hard to avoid them.

Look at the tops and bottoms for webbing and such.

Are you using living soil or synthetics?
Yeah! Another expert on this journal :headbanger::yahoo:
Started to read the Gee spot thread today, after Azi had pointed me there. Amazing bit of knowledge you fire out :cheer:

I will look out for those shitty bugs hoping to find nothing. 🤞

Those Kosher Choco Kushs are both planted in organic soil….wouldn‘t really call it living soil knowing just that lil about it that I read/learned from you guys on this forum. I know it works on microbes and you shouldn‘t use synthetic fertilizer cause that would kill the microbes/soil. But there might be extra stuff in there that was lab made.

The soil in which Grapefruit Superstar is planted is more like I would define a living soil in my noobie mind. It is made of compost, worm castings, different plant matters and such.

However what do you think? Might I be running into something? I gave them all a lil mag with every watering knowing my tap water is low on mag (20mg/l). Cal is around 100g/m3 which should be 100mg/l. Thought it is good to hold a 3:1 cal:mag.
 
Yeah! Another expert on this journal :headbanger::yahoo:
Started to read the Gee spot thread today, after Azi had pointed me there. Amazing bit of knowledge you fire out :cheer:

I will look out for those shitty bugs hoping to find nothing. 🤞

Those Kosher Choco Kushs are both planted in organic soil….wouldn‘t really call it living soil knowing just that lil about it that I read/learned from you guys on this forum. I know it works on microbes and you shouldn‘t use synthetic fertilizer cause that would kill the microbes/soil. But there might be extra stuff in there that was lab made.

The soil in which Grapefruit Superstar is planted is more like I would define a living soil in my noobie mind. It is made of compost, worm castings, different plant matters and such.

However what do you think? Might I be running into something? I gave them all a lil mag with every watering knowing my tap water is low on mag (20mg/l). Cal is around 100g/m3 which should be 100mg/l. Thought it is good to hold a 3:1 cal:mag.
Compost is living soil, it's loaded with microbes. It sounds like a good mix. Do you have any carbon in it? Coco or sphagnum or anything like that. Also some perlite or anything similar to bring in some air really helps. And 3:1 is a great ratio.

The tough part with Sips and living soil seems to be finding a balance on moisture content. It likes to get too wet.

Azi is working on that so I would let him do the hard part and wait until he gets it figured🤣
 
Compost is living soil, it's loaded with microbes. It sounds like a good mix. Do you have any carbon in it? Coco or sphagnum or anything like that. Also some perlite or anything similar to bring in some air really helps. And 3:1 is a great ratio.

The tough part with Sips and living soil seems to be finding a balance on moisture content. It likes to get too wet.

Azi is working on that so I would let him do the hard part and wait until he gets it figured🤣
Both soils got sphagnum worked in. I also added perlite to both of them, remembering that Azi or/and ReservoirDog recommened perlite being around 20% over at the SIP Club. Did it per eye though.

Now that you mention it, i remember reading that the soil being too wet can be an issue. As a reaction i have dumped out the reservoir of Grapefruit Superstar this morning. We will see how she does when I get home from work.
 
Both soils got sphagnum worked in. I also added perlite to both of them, remembering that Azi or/and ReservoirDog recommened perlite being around 20% over at the SIP Club. Did it per eye though.

Now that you mention it, i remember reading that the soil being too wet can be an issue. As a reaction i have dumped out the reservoir of Grapefruit Superstar this morning. We will see how she does when I get home from work.
Water and oxygen share the same space in living soil, and if nutrients can't be attached to an oxygen molecule the plant can't recognize the nutrient as food, so if soil is too wet, oxygen is low, and starvation is a foregone conclusion.

Synthetics are different. They require much more water. Thats how things get confused.

Sips will deliver as much water as you pour in so if you pour in too much, the plant will starve.

Every plant, depending on what stage it's at and what nutrient it is requiring the most at that time in its life, will show a different deficiency, which again causes tail chasing.

Make sure your soil dries down before you start chasing things.
 
Buenas noches amigas y amigos! :ciao:

Sry for the delay, but…you know life can be challenging…and then you have to take a deep long breath and pause. And admit that you did wrong 😭 This a „Rookie Tale“ after all…..


Looks good, right? Nope. Find the mistake. Or just let me help, so you all have a good laugh 😅



Yep. Did it. Broke one of the two main stems while I tried to bend it. 🤦‍♂️ Did a fixing with duck tape, but 24hours later the upper part started to wilt…it was 💔

Doesn‘t matter now. What’s gone is gone. Trying now to pull some tops from the lower branches up through leaf tucking to fill the spot.

Otherwise, thank you @Gee64 for pointing out the problem of the soil perhaps being too wet. Grapefruit Superstar wasn‘t given any drink since Tuesday morning when I had emptied the reservoir, both Kosher Choco since Tuesday evening. And I believe we can see an increased growth on all plants in the last two days.

However, when I entered the „grow room“ today after work, I could „smell“ them. I know from my previous grow that I watered by @Emilya Green water tutorial that this is a certain sign that they are running dry. I will give them all a drink tomorrow when lights went on….Grapefruit Superstar straight ph‘d tap water in the reservoir…the others get their drinks w/ some nutes. They seem hungry, if I interpret the yellowish tops right. What you guys think?
 
They seem hungry, if I interpret the yellowish tops right. What you guys think?
Hey Beyond, yellowish tops can be a normal sign of fast growth. If the are a good green all over and just the tips are yellowish it's not likely hunger I think, just normal fast growth. They green up in a few days after unfurling?
 
Hey Beyond, yellowish tops can be a normal sign of fast growth. If the are a good green all over and just the tips are yellowish it's not likely hunger I think, just normal fast growth. They green up in a few days after unfurling?
Thank you for your reply. They do green up kinda. Just much slower like they did. And if you look at the picture you might see the bigger fans right under the tops having a lighter green where all the fingers connect. 🤔

Will decide when lights go on in 2,5 hours....enough time to drop your input experts! 😎
 
Buenas noches amigas y amigos! :ciao:

Sry for the delay, but…you know life can be challenging…and then you have to take a deep long breath and pause. And admit that you did wrong 😭 This a „Rookie Tale“ after all…..


Looks good, right? Nope. Find the mistake. Or just let me help, so you all have a good laugh 😅



Yep. Did it. Broke one of the two main stems while I tried to bend it. 🤦‍♂️ Did a fixing with duck tape, but 24hours later the upper part started to wilt…it was 💔

Doesn‘t matter now. What’s gone is gone. Trying now to pull some tops from the lower branches up through leaf tucking to fill the spot.

Otherwise, thank you @Gee64 for pointing out the problem of the soil perhaps being too wet. Grapefruit Superstar wasn‘t given any drink since Tuesday morning when I had emptied the reservoir, both Kosher Choco since Tuesday evening. And I believe we can see an increased growth on all plants in the last two days.

However, when I entered the „grow room“ today after work, I could „smell“ them. I know from my previous grow that I watered by @Emilya Green water tutorial that this is a certain sign that they are running dry. I will give them all a drink tomorrow when lights went on….Grapefruit Superstar straight ph‘d tap water in the reservoir…the others get their drinks w/ some nutes. They seem hungry, if I interpret the yellowish tops right. What you guys think?
Usually if they wilt they will recover in about 3 days. Not always, but take it from a guy who splits stems a lot, usually they do.
 
Just a quick update on the girls.


Pretty happy how they come along. :hookah:

I also had a quick look at the bottom of the containers yesterday.




They seem all pretty well rooted. Makes me think that by next week the containers might be completely filled with roots. Would be the first good reason to flip the switch 😎

Oh and I believe we can see something interesting in the last pic. It is the only container where the roots don‘t grow out of the bottom holes. But if you look at the bottom of the wicking foot you can see one root growing straight out of the left and another one poking out in middle at the very bottom. Looking at the root direction at the bottom of the container, it even seems that the roots grew towards the wicking foot. 🤔 (@Azimuth do you know why this happened? Ever noticed something like this?) It is the Kosher Choco Kush 2, the tallest.
 
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