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Morglie · Sep 20, 2018

Do you have a cement slab under the insulation? 68 isn't too cold. I've had my flower room dip into the high 40s last winter overnight with little effect except for some nice coloration on the leaves.

weenmeoff · Sep 20, 2018

Van Stank said:
If u are just talking to grow out for buds.....hell yeah try growing those clones out. If u aren't breeding it, give it a whirl....u have nothing to lose brother! It can still produce good buds and not be breeding stock material.

Will do. Thanks Stank! :passitleft:

Morglie said:
Do you have a cement slab under the insulation? 68 isn't too cold. I've had my flower room dip into the high 40s last winter overnight with little effect except for some nice coloration on the leaves.

Yes, it's a concrete slab. Think I need more insulation or do you think putting her on a box will do the trick? None of the others have been bothered but temps have been dropping here lately. The seedlings are growing awfully slow. They're about 40 days old. Don't they seem small?

weenmeoff · Sep 20, 2018

Good news is Lil Slur looks better tonight but I'm still concerned about slow growth. Stank posted pics of plants 18 days old that are 4 times as big as mine at 40 days.

:passitleft:

Morglie · Sep 20, 2018

weenmeoff said:
Will do. Thanks Stank!

Yes, it's a concrete slab. Think I need more insulation or do you think putting her on a box will do the trick? None of the others have been bothered but temps have been dropping here lately. The seedlings are growing awfully slow. They're about 40 days old. Don't they seem small?

I'd give it more than just a slab of insulation. I use wooden pallets currently and have used plastic soda crates in the past as well. Getting that layer of air below the pot helps keep the cold from the cement from seeping up. Terra tends to hold pretty consistent temperature, compared to the way the air fluctuates from day to night. The roots in turn are more sensitive to high and lows that the rest of the plant can handle fine. They are naturally insulated by the ground in nature.

What are your current daytime temps? I ran in the low 70s for a while last winter and the plants did fine, they just grew really slowly.... I added in a small space heater from the pawn shop for 5 bucks and the plants really sped up. You can use that to your advantage if you start getting ahead of your flower room capacity. Just lower your veg room temps and give those long flowering sativas time to finish.

Gazoo · Sep 20, 2018

Morglie said:
I'd give it more than just a slab of insulation. I use wooden pallets currently and have used plastic soda crates in the past as well. Getting that layer of air below the pot helps keep the cold from the cement from seeping up. Terra tends to hold pretty consistent temperature, compared to the way the air fluctuates from day to night. The roots in turn are more sensitive to high and lows that the rest of the plant can handle fine. They are naturally insulated by the ground in nature.

What are your current daytime temps? I ran in the low 70s for a while last winter and the plants did fine, they just grew really slowly.... I added in a small space heater from the pawn shop for 5 bucks and the plants really sped up. You can use that to your advantage if you start getting ahead of your flower room capacity. Just lower your veg room temps and give those long flowering sativas time to finish.

I have found those small space heaters are very expensive to run 800 to 1500w
i figure if I need heat I add more light if I am going to use 1000w I may as well get
some light out of the deal ?

Oh but that does not work at lights out so I

also use those large seed mats work great between the insulation and the pots but you need to
wait for CL to offer them up cheap

Morglie · Sep 20, 2018

Gazoo said:
I have found those small space heaters are very expensive to run 800 to 1500w
i figure if I need heat I add more light if I am going to use 1000w I may as well get
some light out of the deal ?

also those large seed mats work great between the insulation and the pots but you need to
wait for CL to offer them up cheap

That makes sense. I use extra lighting for more footprint in my veg in the winter, and with that on as well, I only need to set it barely above minimum to get my room into the mid to high 70s. It's cheaper than the AC I have to run in the summer to keep my flower room cooled. I'll have to see what I can throw at it this winter. Maybe mount my blurples in there.

weenmeoff · Sep 20, 2018

Morglie said:
I'd give it more than just a slab of insulation. I use wooden pallets currently and have used plastic soda crates in the past as well. Getting that layer of air below the pot helps keep the cold from the cement from seeping up. Terra tends to hold pretty consistent temperature, compared to the way the air fluctuates from day to night. The roots in turn are more sensitive to high and lows that the rest of the plant can handle fine. They are naturally insulated by the ground in nature.

What are your current daytime temps? I ran in the low 70s for a while last winter and the plants did fine, they just grew really slowly.... I added in a small space heater from the pawn shop for 5 bucks and the plants really sped up. You can use that to your advantage if you start getting ahead of your flower room capacity. Just lower your veg room temps and give those long flowering sativas time to finish.

Thanks Morg! Do you put the pallets or soda crates in the tent or under it? In the tent would work better for me but I could probably manage inside. Day time temps are usually higher, yesterday it was 68 but I made an adjustment so it's in the mid 70's.

Gazoo said:
I have found those small space heaters are very expensive to run 800 to 1500w
i figure if I need heat I add more light if I am going to use 1000w I may as well get
some light out of the deal ?

Oh but that does not work at lights out so I

also use those large seed mats work great between the insulation and the pots but you need to
wait for CL to offer them up cheap

My flower tent, that is currently vegging my 2 remaining big girls, has more insulation, probably 2 inches AND one of those under rug heaters (you knew that Gazoo) just mentioning for Morg and others, so the roots stay plenty warm. That has been a game changer for me because I can't use the space heaters without tripping the breaker.

I'll be moving 1 tent inside in the next couple months where I can adjust the ambient room temp.

Gazoo · Sep 20, 2018

Morglie said:
That makes sense. I use extra lighting for more footprint in my veg in the winter, and with that on as well, I only need to set it barely above minimum to get my room into the mid to high 70s. It's cheaper than the AC I have to run in the summer to keep my flower room cooled. I'll have to see what I can throw at it this winter. Maybe mount my blurples in there.

Yup every season/grow I seem to do things a little different to stabilize the environment,
Never the same 2 runs in a row

but i think I am starting to understand it all better

Morglie · Sep 20, 2018

weenmeoff said:
Thanks Morg! Do you put the pallets or soda crates in the tent or under it? In the tent would work better for me but I could probably manage inside. Day time temps are usually higher, yesterday it was 68 but I made an adjustment so it's in the mid 70's.

My flower tent, that is currently vegging my 2 remaining big girls, has more insulation, probably 2 inches AND one of those under rug heaters (you knew that Gazoo) just mentioning for Morg and others, so the roots stay plenty warm. That has been a game changer for me because I can't use the space heaters without tripping the breaker.

I'll be moving 1 tent inside in the next couple months where I can adjust the ambient room temp.

I don't use a tent, but I don't think it would matter if you put the pallets inside the tent or not. You just need that insulation layer at the bottom.

That's good on the temperate adjustment. That'll help your little ones take off. And it'll be much nicer once you can get them inside. The environment really makes a huge difference in how they grow.

Gazoo said:
Yup every season/grow I seem to do things a little different to stabilize the environment,
Never the same 2 runs in a row but i think I am starting to understand it all better

I'm the same way. Every season as the temperate and humidity outside changes, I'm figuring out new ways to mediate the extremes.

Mr. Krip · Sep 21, 2018

I'd try to get that Slurricane, which looks savable, under some high humidity ASAP and do a De-stress foliar. 68* should not be too cold (unless your talking celcius, in which case, it's way too hot! :rofl:

). Did you have a fan blowing directly on it, by any chance? Possibly over-watered? (I know over-watering is not likely using Doc's method, but perhaps container isn't draining properly?)

:goodluck:

Darkscotia · Sep 21, 2018

Wow ween just stopping by to play some catchup like always and see I got slot of catching up to do. Cheers ween I’ll report back once caught up

weenmeoff · Sep 21, 2018

Mr. Krip said:
I'd try to get that Slurricane, which looks savable, under some high humidity ASAP and do a De-stress foliar. 68* should not be too cold (unless your talking celcius, in which case, it's way too hot! ). Did you have a fan blowing directly on it, by any chance? Possibly over-watered? (I know over-watering is not likely using Doc's method, but perhaps container isn't draining properly?)

Thanks Krip! I'm very happy to report she looks much better today, see pics below. The temp adjustment and putting her up on a box was the first move, then I gave her some straight RO last night. The pot was not as light as I normally wait for but it seemed like she was thirsty and that really straightened her up. See pics below.

:passitleft:

Darkscotia said:
Wow ween just stopping by to play some catchup like always and see I got slot of catching up to do. Cheers ween I’ll report back once caught up

Hey Dark! Great to see you bud! I know there are only so many hours in the day and life gets busy so I'll try to help a bit with a recap to catch you up. My 4 big girls in veg were transplanted into 15's on 9/7. My Star Pupil still was growing slow and showed signs of possible PM which it probably wasn't but didn't want to risk it so she got the chop. Then a few days ago after being away for four days, my Sugar Cane 2, the tall one was all shriveled up, I gave her a drink of TP and a couple days before I gave her the chop. That was odd because the other 2 were still looking great but may have something to do with burying her to the bottom of the 15 at transplant because she was so tall, I have clones of her. I had a close call with my slurry, who is better now. All of my clones and seedlings are doing well.