Seamus' - Anxiolyticure - First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haze

[KingJohnC]

Re: Seamus' (anxiolyticure) First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haze

I would carefully take the seedling that is upside down and make a hole in the rockwool and place it in the hole right side up. I would not use any nutrients until your plants are 4-5 inches tall and have 5 nodes of growth then introduce them to 1/4 strength nutrients and progressively over several reservoir changes increase their dosage by 1/4 strength at a time carefully watching the growing tips for nutrient burn.

 

[anxiolyticure]

Re: Seamus' (anxiolyticure) First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haze

Day 6
In which I wreak carnage for your amusement.

MMMMMmmmmmk.

So, at KingJohnC's sage advice, I got out the tweezers and I went ahead and tried to save the one upside down seed.

I flipped it over, all right, but it didn't look happy:

So I decided to try again to get it to orient in a way that made sense to me, and carnage!
The shoot ripped off of the seed. You can see the remnants of it in this shot:

That was going to be KC 36 #2, and I had one going in a paper towel method as a backup.
So, I just put that one in the rockwool where the newly deceased had been living, and we'll see if I get lucky and she grows.

Apparently I forgot to take a pic of KC #1, but she is doing ok.

Another upside downer was White Rhino #1. I just grabbed her gently and flipped her leaves up, and I hope she roots and does well. I'm done touching her for now.

White Rhino #2 has always been the happiest.

Liberty Haze #1 is likewise a happy, fast grower.

Liberty Haze #2 shed her seed, and seems to be ok.

Seems like everyone is doing fine! We'll see if I get five or six plants to work with.
The White Rhino and the Liberty Haze are both feminized.
The KC 36 is not, so I'm hoping for only one male in this batch.
Thoughts?

Thanks again everyone!

 

[closetorganic]

Re: Seamus' (anxiolyticure) First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haze

Nice set up anxiolyticure and congratulations on the sprouts too.
Is your hopeing for one male for seeds or just not wanting no more than that when your reg seed plants show sex ?
That is how I think,get 2 reg seeds and hope I get that 50% chance a female on at least one or be lucky with both.

 

[anxiolyticure]

Re: Seamus' (anxiolyticure) First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haze

Day Seven
A few questions for my more experienced friends.

Ok, folks, a few questions:

1) Do you all think that I should change the water out? I feel like it couldn't hurt. It's just PH adjusted tap water, but it's a week old now and looks a little cloudy. I have been adjusting the PH back down daily, so it does have a fair amount of PH down in it.
If so, can I wait until Sunday in order to get on a weekly schedule, or should I do it today?

2) Take a look at my White Rhino #1 plant below. What happened to her was that she sprouted, but then somehow ended up laying on top of the rockwool. Blown out by the fan? I don't know. I picked her up and put her back down into her little rockwool hole, but she hasn't opened up much more since then. It doesn't look like her root is growning down, but rather just up in the hole like a U. You can see that she is not developing as well as the others... Should I just let her be and see if she perks up? Or should I do something to help fortify her?

3) How do you all feel about KC 36 #1 below? She's not reaching for the sky yet...I am going to wait on her to see if she's ok, but I wanted your opinions.

Anyway, the pictures, which have not changed much since yesterday:

White Rhino #1:

White Rhino #2:

KC 36 #1:

KC 36 #2:

Liberty Haze #1:

Liberty Haze #2:

As always, a million to my friEnts for your encouragement and advice!

 

[CareStaker]

Re: Seamus' (anxiolyticure) First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haze

Nice, things are looking good! Newb here as well, and I'll be following along if that's OK!
I have a pouch of the KC36, so I'm interested to see how they grow. I also have a LH that is currently 2 weeks older than yours...using similar newts
+subbed

 

[anxiolyticure]

Re: Seamus' (anxiolyticure) First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haze

Nice, things are looking good! Newb here as well, and I'll be following along if that's OK!
I have a pouch of the KC36, so I'm interested to see how they grow. I also have a LH that is currently 2 weeks older than yours...using similar newts
+subbed

CareStaker, welcome aboard! for joining. As you know I recklessly killed one of the KC36es, so I have a seed in there now where the old one used to be but it hasn't popped. The other has, but it isn't showing its leaves yet.

I've never done this before, so I would just say, you know, probably not a great idea to judge strain performance on my experience, because I'm sure my ignorance is going to prevent the plants from living up to their genetics, to some degree or another. Still, perhaps it'll be illustrative.

I subb'd in on your other grow and your plants look awesome. Glad to have you here, man!

 

[anxiolyticure]

Re: Seamus' (anxiolyticure) First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haze

Day 8
Pretty much Day 7, but later.

Well, after I had a few last night, I went back and re-read my Day 6 post and realized that, without context, it might be read sarcastically when I call KingJohnC's advice "sage", but it was in no way intended to be so; I meant it literally, I was very happy for the advice!!!!!

Sometimes getting tone right is hard on the 'net. Anyway.

I did go ahead and do a complete reservoir flush last night, and put in fresh PH adjusted tap water.
I did this mostly to test my drainage system before I got to the nutrient phase, because I didn't want shit to get weird and waste a bunch of nutes.
But also, it had been a week on that water, and that was enough for me.
I sat the water in a bucket for about two hours and agitated it well to get the chlorine to dissipate, though. Other than that, just some PH down.

There was no appreciable change in growth or leaves, so I'll spare you some more redundant pictures and post again when we see progress!

Again, to all my friEnts for helping & subbing and happy growing to you all!

 

[CareStaker]

Re: Seamus' (anxiolyticure) First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haze

CareStaker, welcome aboard! for joining. As you know I recklessly killed one of the KC36es, so I have a seed in there now where the old one used to be but it hasn't popped. The other has, but it isn't showing its leaves yet.

I've never done this before, so I would just say, you know, probably not a great idea to judge strain performance on my experience, because I'm sure my ignorance is going to prevent the plants from living up to their genetics, to some degree or another. Still, perhaps it'll be illustrative.

I subb'd in on your other grow and your plants look awesome. Glad to have you here, man!

Thanks for the kind words, and the great welcome!
I'm also still a newb learning as I go - and have killed a veritable battalion of seedlings and plants. I have found though, that there are a lot of great humans here, that may help you along, as they helped me. I'm looking forward to seeing how your plants grow out, and I'm sure you will do just fine.

Eliminate chlorine, get Stresscoat at a fish store. Like 2 bucks. One drop per gal.
Peace and huge honkin buds to you garden sir!

 

[TaylorMade420]

Re: Seamus' (anxiolyticure) First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haze

subbed mukker

 

[anxiolyticure]

Re: Seamus' - Anxiolyticure - First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haz

Day 11
Should we add nutrients? Probably not, but I'm going to anyway.

I'll post pictures tomorrow. On Day 9, I added six drops of SuperThrive to the reservoir.

Ok, so the original tutorial, which I am following, is by Tulip, who apparently isn't around anymore,
He uses the Stealth Hydro nutrients, which ship with the kit, but I decided to go with brand name nutrients, and I am using Gen Hydro Flora.

At this point, I have three little plants which are looking quite good. They are beginning to sprout their 3rd & 4th leaves now.
I have one plant which has only sprouted one leaf, with another one developing, and one which is still hooked over in its rockwool cube.
I have one seed which has not sprouted, and perhaps will not at this point.

Basically, the Liberty Haze are rocking out, the White Rhino are doing ok if a little bit behind, and the KC 36es look like they might be a bust.

Having said that, they are all alive. Without water flowing they would have dried up and died.

Question is, of course, do I add nutrients now or not? I feel like the larger plants are ready for a 1/4 strength dose of nutrients, personally. They look strong and hungry. Their color is really great though, so maybe it's premature.

What I was thinking of doing was adding a quarter strength dose to them today Day 11, and then going to half strength at the next res change, which I am planning on doing on Sundays from here on out.

Thoughts?

 

[danklover79]

Re: Seamus' - Anxiolyticure - First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haz

I would go with 1/8 strength, and see how they handle it, then progress from there.

 

[anxiolyticure]

Re: Seamus' - Anxiolyticure - First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haz

Day 11 cont'd
In which I split the difference.

Well, it seemed prudent to listen to your advice, danklover79.
But easier to just do 1/6th of the full nutrient schedule as opposed to 1/8th, since it's a six gallon tank, and that would be 1 gallon.
So, not a fourth, nor an 8th, but a 6th.

So, I did that, basically treated a gallon then added that gallon back into the tank.

PPM 150 before, 219 after
PH 5.9 before, 5.6 after

We shall see how they do with this for 48 hours, then perhaps go to 2/6ths.

As usual, photos of the plants follow.

In particular, please note that White Rhino #1 and KC36 #1 (which is the only one), both look stunted and are growing weird.
The KC36 was still foldeded over on itself in the rockwool, so I went ahead and lifted it up.
I don't know if these two plants will turn out OK and catch up to the others. Thoughts?

White Rhino #1:

White Rhino #2:

KC36:

Liberty Haze #1:

Liberty Haze #2:

 

[KingJohnC]

Re: Seamus' (anxiolyticure) First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haze

I would not use any nutrients until your plants are 4-5 inches tall and have 5 nodes of growth then introduce them to 1/4 strength nutrients and progressively over several reservoir changes increase their dosage by 1/4 strength at a time carefully watching the growing tips for nutrient burn.

 

[anxiolyticure]

Re: Seamus' - Anxiolyticure - First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haz

Day 12
In which I regret my decision.

Well, perhaps I should have listened to you at the outset, KingJohnC, but things just seemed like they were moving along so very slowly.

There was just a touch of yellowing on the Liberty Haze #2, perhaps from the SuperThrive?

Anyway, I did what I did yesterday. They looked pretty much the same this morning, doing pretty well it seemed.

I added:
2.5ml FloraMicro
2.5ml FloraGrow
2.5ml FloraBloom
2.5ml RapidStart
1ml Floralicious Plus
10ml FloraBlend

To a 6 gallon reservoir, which added 69 PPM to the total dissolved solids, whcih were 150 out of the tap. So, the current TDS is 219PPM.
Most of which is probably the FloraBlend, I imagine.
Anyway, to me this seems very mild, and indeed GH's feeding schedule indicates that seedlings and cuttings should read 400 - 600 PPM.

Course then this morning I logged in only to see your additional advice, KingJohnC. UhOh.

All of which is to say, that instead of panicking and draining the res, I'll wait and see how the plants respond to what I've done.
If things start to go south, I'll flush the res and try again.

That's the current plan.

Again, and I can't say it enough, I'd like to extend a huge to all my new friends at for the help!

 

[Light Addict]

Re: Seamus' - Anxiolyticure - First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haz

KingJohnC is a sage of wisdom as always. This is what were all here for to learn and share and aid likeminded growers.

 

[CareStaker]

Re: Seamus' - Anxiolyticure - First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haz

looking good Seamus!

 

[anxiolyticure]

Re: Seamus' - Anxiolyticure - First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haz

Day 13
In which I beg for help.

Ok, so I think that the source of my problems has a lot to do with excessive water flow.

I have one seed which did not pop, you will recall. I took of my light blocking paper plates and tape, because I noticed I was starting to get some mold developing. When I did that, I noticed that the rockwool cube to that seed had browned partially, and that it was really, really wet. So, I pulled it, cut off the nasty bits, adjusted the seed in the remaining rockwool, and tried to back the feeder tube down a bit so it wasn't getting so much flow. This seed, if it pops, will be KC36 #2. Thoughts?

I wonder, should I try to adjust the flow down at the irrigation hub? Like only open those valves halfway or something, for all the plants?

I also have another plant, Liberty Haze #2, which is showing some signs of stress. There are yellowed portions on the first two leaves, and one of the leaves looks like it got bent or folded over. It's not curling, it's just...it literally looks like it has a kink in it.

Having said all of that, things are largely looking pretty damn good.

PPM @ 238
PH @ 6.0 (no adjustment)

Of the two runts, I feel like KC36 is going to be ok, because you can see new growth. It's the abnormal looking White Rhino #1 that I am really worried about.

Today's readings:

White Rhino #1 -- runt, abnormal growth:

White Rhino #2:

KC36 #1 -- runt:

KC36 #2 -- seed didn't pop:

Liberty Haze #1:

Liberty Haze #2 -- over watered?:

Folks, for following along!

 

[anxiolyticure]

Re: Seamus' - Anxiolyticure - First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haz

Day 13
Evening.

So, I decided that it must be the water. Too much water. I mean, the rockwool will try to stabilize its water|air ratio, but it can only do so much if it's being soaked on one side, right? Perhaps they're too wet.

The water coming out of each grow cup was a small, steady stream. Tweaking the valve at the irrigation hub to control the flow is sensitive, but I was able to figure out how to slow it to a drip. I was shooting for a steady drip out of each cup.

Also, I received my Diamond Nectar today. And since, by evening, the PH had crept up to 6.5, I added the Diamond Nectar (humeric acids).
That should make the plants happy, and it brought the PH down to 6.0.

Good enough for me. No photos tonight, but I'll keep you posted on how they do with slower water flow.

 

[anxiolyticure]

Re: Seamus' - Anxiolyticure - First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haz

Day 14
Morning.

So, last night I decided to keep to my original plan, and to add another 1/6th feeding to take me to 2/6ths, which of course is 1/3rd.
I feel pretty confident that the minor issues I'm seeing in two plants are not nute burn, but either over waterring or wind burn.
As you know I've turned down the water flow, and I turned off the larger fan as well.
The plants are moving in the breeze of the smaller one.

So, my PPM are lingering in the mid 340s. Things are looking good for now.
I swear I see new growth overnight, so I'm happy.

Perhaps I'll post pics tomorrow.

 

[anxiolyticure]

Re: Seamus' - Anxiolyticure - First Grow: Hydro Organic White Rhino/KC 36/Liberty Haz

Day 14
Midday.

I went home at lunch to clean the house and surprise my wife. She's pretty happy! :-D

So, while there I checked in on the gals.

Readings are:
333 PPM
5.8 PH

So, thoughts on the runted White Rhino at all?
It's alive, but it doesn't seem to be growing new leaves, and we're at Day 14.
Should I just pull it out?

Here's both of the White Rhino in the foreground, you can see how stunted #1 really is compared to its larger cousin:

The KC 36es are both doing badly also.
KC 36 #1 is a bit of a runt, but it looks like it's going to sprout, however slowly.
KC 36 #2 is still a seed and it's clearly not going to sprout.
Oh, well. Should I try to plant a new seed in that pot?
What the hell, right? I think I will tonite.

The Liberty Haze is rockin' & rollin', though.