Old TimingMan
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Looks like you need to take a trip to your local craft store and buy some bigger flowers to hang on!
Love those buds!
Love those buds!
Scientific's Coconut Coir Dwarf Low Flyer Summer Pot In An Air Pot Grow
gr0w
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any update scientific?
when you use nebulas grow chart, what ppm are you seeing right after you mix?
it would be nice to compare my grow chart ppm with another.
I am ending transition week today and starting early bloom tomorrow.
been keeping track of my ppm/pH levels in my reservoirs. just curious
when you use nebulas grow chart, what ppm are you seeing right after you mix?
it would be nice to compare my grow chart ppm with another.
I am ending transition week today and starting early bloom tomorrow.
been keeping track of my ppm/pH levels in my reservoirs. just curious
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Day 46 -- Everything is going perfectly! (Except for a few fungus gnats)
I haven't posted because the grow has been going like clockwork! I add about 1.5 liters of Early Bloom, (now "Mid Bloom") nutrients in the morning and let her sit in the sun all day. That's all there is to it. She looks PERFECT--all of the height growth is in her biggest (top) cola which is 6" long and starting to really fill in, even under just about 8 hours of sun per day (dawn to an hour after solar noon).
You could totally automate a coco grow
I am seriously loving the coco coir + 30% perlite mix. You could totally automate your grow with this, just pumping x liters of fertilizer into the pot every day and just letting the excess run off. I think at the limit you could just mix a new batch of fertilizer every week and check the runoff pH and PPM then.
Here are the measurements for the last six days. Look how stable they are! What a relief from having to fuss with pH constantly with a hydro grow!
Nutrients in and nutrients out for days 41 to 46. I should clarify that "full strength" means full strength of Nebula Haze's feeding schedule, which is already more dilute than General Hydroponics' feeding schedule.
(I have been wondering how she might handle GH-level strength, but she is a dwarf and she looks deliriously happy with Nebula's schedule, so I'm not gonna fix what ain't broke.)
46 days old, 13" tall, not a bad leaf on her, and doing the sun worshiper position all day, every day!. I'm loving coco coir + 30% perlite in a fabric pot.
Her biggest cola is about 6" long and starting to fill in. It's not huge, but it's growing under direct natural summer sunlight for eight hours a day from dawn until 2 PM.
I was wondering when trichomes were going to start appearing--they seemed overdue, but when I took a good look under the right light there they are! Her scent is still that early minty, intensely herbal smell--not like a mature pot plant at all. I assume that means I've still got at least three or four weeks before harvest.
Thanks for checking in. Go Coco!
I haven't posted because the grow has been going like clockwork! I add about 1.5 liters of Early Bloom, (now "Mid Bloom") nutrients in the morning and let her sit in the sun all day. That's all there is to it. She looks PERFECT--all of the height growth is in her biggest (top) cola which is 6" long and starting to really fill in, even under just about 8 hours of sun per day (dawn to an hour after solar noon).
You could totally automate a coco grow
I am seriously loving the coco coir + 30% perlite mix. You could totally automate your grow with this, just pumping x liters of fertilizer into the pot every day and just letting the excess run off. I think at the limit you could just mix a new batch of fertilizer every week and check the runoff pH and PPM then.
Here are the measurements for the last six days. Look how stable they are! What a relief from having to fuss with pH constantly with a hydro grow!
Nutrients in and nutrients out for days 41 to 46. I should clarify that "full strength" means full strength of Nebula Haze's feeding schedule, which is already more dilute than General Hydroponics' feeding schedule.
(I have been wondering how she might handle GH-level strength, but she is a dwarf and she looks deliriously happy with Nebula's schedule, so I'm not gonna fix what ain't broke.)
46 days old, 13" tall, not a bad leaf on her, and doing the sun worshiper position all day, every day!. I'm loving coco coir + 30% perlite in a fabric pot.
Her biggest cola is about 6" long and starting to fill in. It's not huge, but it's growing under direct natural summer sunlight for eight hours a day from dawn until 2 PM.
I was wondering when trichomes were going to start appearing--they seemed overdue, but when I took a good look under the right light there they are! Her scent is still that early minty, intensely herbal smell--not like a mature pot plant at all. I assume that means I've still got at least three or four weeks before harvest.
Thanks for checking in. Go Coco!
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any update scientific?
when you use nebulas grow chart, what ppm are you seeing right after you mix?
it would be nice to compare my grow chart ppm with another.
I am ending transition week today and starting early bloom tomorrow.
been keeping track of my ppm/pH levels in my reservoirs. just curious
Hi gr0w! -- Thanks of the nudge! I'm putting together this update after getting into Nebula's recipe Cana Coco Oil at 4 PM. After getting lost at my neighborhood park last time after three capsules, today I limited it to two.
I'm on week 8 of Nebula's chart and am getting about 500 PPM as you can see on the latest spreadsheet page above. Clearly my mixing or measurements are not quite as exact as they might be, because even when I reduced the FloraGro by half this week, my PPM measurements stayed the same. But close enough!
Do you have a link for your grow?
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I love growing in sunshine! It's so bright, and it free!
I got these seeds in March and looked at the total sunlight hours chart for this area (day length AND cloudy vs. clear skies) and figured that this is about the best 12 weeks in this area.
gr0w
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Yeah, I've been getting my nutrient reservoir around 450-500ppm following Nebulas feed chart. Plants are looking very happy and have only had one bad leaf so far.
Here is a link to my grow if you are interested
First Coco Grow Questions - Journal
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Day 50 -- Still Happily Soaking Up July Sunshine Nine Hours a Day
This is just a snapshot of my girl out on the deck this morning as she celebrates her 50th day from seed. As you can see, she is still happily worshipping the sun and still decked out in camo flowers.
I have a note from Day 50 of the last grow with the same strain (Dwarf Low Flyer), which was 24-hour-a-day-light hydroponic, that says the plant was "a sticky mess" by that point. That is not all the case with this plant. Although it is deep green, vibrantly healthy, and filling in its buds nicely, it still smells mostly minty, not dank, and though I can see trichomes around the developing buds, there is no stickiness at all.
This is my third grow with this strain and it's really interesting to see how different growing conditions give different plant morphologies.
No fungus gnats to be seen today, so for the first day in two weeks I did not spray.
pH and PPM of the runoff remain remarkably stable! I weigh the plant before and after every feeding and give her about 300 ml more than the weight she lost from the preceding day (for example, she dropped 900 grams yesterday so she got 1.2 liters for about 300 ml runoff).
50 days from seed, 13.5 inches (35 cm) tall, happily filling in her unsticky, unsmelly buds, and still wearing fake flowers for the neighbors
Just a comment: I see that pot prices continue to fall in legal states, with the possibility that pot farming will eventually only be economically viable for big, efficient operations. Pot having become a commodity with low profit margins, I'm predicting that soon only boutique buds will be grown under artificial lighting and that the bulk of the soon-to-be-$5-a-gram pot will be grown under sunlight in greenhouses in sunny locales.
This is just a snapshot of my girl out on the deck this morning as she celebrates her 50th day from seed. As you can see, she is still happily worshipping the sun and still decked out in camo flowers.
I have a note from Day 50 of the last grow with the same strain (Dwarf Low Flyer), which was 24-hour-a-day-light hydroponic, that says the plant was "a sticky mess" by that point. That is not all the case with this plant. Although it is deep green, vibrantly healthy, and filling in its buds nicely, it still smells mostly minty, not dank, and though I can see trichomes around the developing buds, there is no stickiness at all.
This is my third grow with this strain and it's really interesting to see how different growing conditions give different plant morphologies.
No fungus gnats to be seen today, so for the first day in two weeks I did not spray.
pH and PPM of the runoff remain remarkably stable! I weigh the plant before and after every feeding and give her about 300 ml more than the weight she lost from the preceding day (for example, she dropped 900 grams yesterday so she got 1.2 liters for about 300 ml runoff).
50 days from seed, 13.5 inches (35 cm) tall, happily filling in her unsticky, unsmelly buds, and still wearing fake flowers for the neighbors
Just a comment: I see that pot prices continue to fall in legal states, with the possibility that pot farming will eventually only be economically viable for big, efficient operations. Pot having become a commodity with low profit margins, I'm predicting that soon only boutique buds will be grown under artificial lighting and that the bulk of the soon-to-be-$5-a-gram pot will be grown under sunlight in greenhouses in sunny locales.
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Thanks, Cat. The two main colas at the top are a solid one inch in diameter now, which makes me smile.
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Day 51 -- A Little Nute Burn, and Flowers Are Maturing
Nute Burn
While admiring my plant this morning I suddenly became aware that many of the sugar leaf tips had tiny but noticeable yellowing.
Now that I think of it, the PPM out has been very close to PPM in lately. I thought that was good because it was stable and not showing signs of excess (i.e. out > in), but it occurs to me now that PPM out = PPM in could be interpreted as the plant isn't able to consume all of the nutes that it's getting--that PPM out should be significantly or at least somewhat less then PPM in.
Browning Pistils = Flowers Maturing
The colas have been looking young and bursting out and the pistils all perfectly white, but all of a sudden many of the pistils are turning brown, which tells me that she is maturing from "mid bloom" (to use the GH nute schedule term) to "late bloom"--or at least that she's not a teenager anymore. I'll finish out the week with the Week 8 Mid Bloom mix (though diluted until PPM out decreases), but then it's on to "Late Bloom" mix, right on schedule.
I'm wondering now if harvest is going to come at the end of the 11th week like my last DLF grow, or if it might be a week or more earlier. Notes for the last grow show pistils were still white at 63 and even 73 days! This plant is nowhere near as smelly or frosty as its predecessor, but it's also only getting light for 1/3 as many hours!
This photo doesn't show it very well, but growth tips have tiny yellow nute burn areas
PPM out has been very close to PPM in lately.
Average nutrient levels (i.e. PPM out) have been rising
At Day 51, a surprising number of pistils are starting to turn brown.
Nute Burn
While admiring my plant this morning I suddenly became aware that many of the sugar leaf tips had tiny but noticeable yellowing.
Now that I think of it, the PPM out has been very close to PPM in lately. I thought that was good because it was stable and not showing signs of excess (i.e. out > in), but it occurs to me now that PPM out = PPM in could be interpreted as the plant isn't able to consume all of the nutes that it's getting--that PPM out should be significantly or at least somewhat less then PPM in.
Browning Pistils = Flowers Maturing
The colas have been looking young and bursting out and the pistils all perfectly white, but all of a sudden many of the pistils are turning brown, which tells me that she is maturing from "mid bloom" (to use the GH nute schedule term) to "late bloom"--or at least that she's not a teenager anymore. I'll finish out the week with the Week 8 Mid Bloom mix (though diluted until PPM out decreases), but then it's on to "Late Bloom" mix, right on schedule.
I'm wondering now if harvest is going to come at the end of the 11th week like my last DLF grow, or if it might be a week or more earlier. Notes for the last grow show pistils were still white at 63 and even 73 days! This plant is nowhere near as smelly or frosty as its predecessor, but it's also only getting light for 1/3 as many hours!
This photo doesn't show it very well, but growth tips have tiny yellow nute burn areas
PPM out has been very close to PPM in lately.
Average nutrient levels (i.e. PPM out) have been rising
At Day 51, a surprising number of pistils are starting to turn brown.
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Hi Gato -- The last grow, 24/0 Hydro, got off to a rough start but finished really well.
Cropking says DLF is about 10% THC, and that seemed to be about right.
Weights:
Wet weight of plant: 1,196 g
Wet weight of stalks and roots: 608 g
Wet weight of 20 untrimmed buds: 498 g
Wet weight of 20 trimmed buds: 309 g
Wet weight of sticky trim: 150 g
Wet weight of unsticky trash: 130 g
More info here: Scientific's Hydro Dwarf Low Flyer 24/7 Illumination Fireplace Grow Journal - 2017
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Day 51, continued--More On Nute Burn
I looked at the log for my last DLF grow when I also had a little tip yellowing and saw that it was at about Day 40 when the hydroponic PPMs were in the mid 500s for about five days. After that I kept the PPMs in the mid-400 range and didn't have anymore problems.
Bear in mind that these are dwarf plants, 13" to 16" tall, and that the plant that I have on my deck right now is done with vegetative growth and just filling out a eight buds, so there's not much of anyplace for a lot of nutes to go. If she was a 20' tall stativa that would be another matter...
I looked at the log for my last DLF grow when I also had a little tip yellowing and saw that it was at about Day 40 when the hydroponic PPMs were in the mid 500s for about five days. After that I kept the PPMs in the mid-400 range and didn't have anymore problems.
Bear in mind that these are dwarf plants, 13" to 16" tall, and that the plant that I have on my deck right now is done with vegetative growth and just filling out a eight buds, so there's not much of anyplace for a lot of nutes to go. If she was a 20' tall stativa that would be another matter...
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Day 53 -- A Little Frost at Last; 3 days of half-strength nutes lowers PPM out so no more tip burn
I'm finally seeing some real frost on the buds--much later and much less than the last grow with 24 hours of light every day. Speaking of artificial light, it was cloudy all day yesterday, so I put her back on the window sill under seven artificial lights (a small plant being easy to haul around and reconfigure).
Interestingly, at just 53 days from seed, many of the trichomes already look cloudy. There is still no stickiness and the smell is mild (but after having her in the house all night last night, I could definitely smell her from 50' away this morning, so she is funkifying).
Day 53: Finally a little frost on the buds
After three days of half-stregth nutes, there is no further sign of nutrient burn, so I think I nipped it in the bud (Ha!). Soon she'll be going on "Late Bloom" nutes, which I think I'll give at 3/4 strength.
After three days of half-strength (275 PPM) nutes, the runoff PPMs has been falling steadily and can come up some.
Not a fungus gnat to be seen, so no spraying today!
Thanks for following along.
I'm finally seeing some real frost on the buds--much later and much less than the last grow with 24 hours of light every day. Speaking of artificial light, it was cloudy all day yesterday, so I put her back on the window sill under seven artificial lights (a small plant being easy to haul around and reconfigure
).Interestingly, at just 53 days from seed, many of the trichomes already look cloudy. There is still no stickiness and the smell is mild (but after having her in the house all night last night, I could definitely smell her from 50' away this morning, so she is funkifying).
Day 53: Finally a little frost on the buds
After three days of half-stregth nutes, there is no further sign of nutrient burn, so I think I nipped it in the bud (Ha!). Soon she'll be going on "Late Bloom" nutes, which I think I'll give at 3/4 strength.
After three days of half-strength (275 PPM) nutes, the runoff PPMs has been falling steadily and can come up some.
Not a fungus gnat to be seen, so no spraying today!
Thanks for following along.
Old TimingMan
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Looking Good!
I am glad you got the FG's under control, you don't really want to be spraying her anymore than you have to at this stage!
I wouldn't get to excited about a weird leaf now and then, could be nute burn, or could be dew/water at the tip magnifying the bright sun, or a bug sucking on it...as long as its not spreading just keep a close eye on it which I know you are doing!
You also better look for bigger store bought flowers to hide them buds!
I am glad you got the FG's under control, you don't really want to be spraying her anymore than you have to at this stage!
I wouldn't get to excited about a weird leaf now and then, could be nute burn, or could be dew/water at the tip magnifying the bright sun, or a bug sucking on it...as long as its not spreading just keep a close eye on it which I know you are doing!
You also better look for bigger store bought flowers to hide them buds!
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You also better look for bigger store bought flowers to hide them buds!
Thanks OTM.
What's funny is that the plant is so small and dense, I don't think it really looks like anyone's idea of a marijuana plant--more like a little ornamental shrub. She is, however, starting to smell enough that when I'm out on the deck with her and the breeze blows, I sometimes get wiffs of dankness even standing a few feet away. So she's ripening up!Crop King says that flowering time for the Dwarf Low Flyer is six weeks. I saw the first preflower at 21 days, so that would make the earliest expected harvest at 21 days plus 42 equals 63 days. That's just ten days off and I think it could very well happen by then.
The 24-hour-a-day hydro DLF grow wasn't done until 77 or 78 days, which would mean this grow came in two weeks before that one.
We shall see! In any case I get a kick out of walking out on the deck and giving her a sniff regularly to check her progress. Growing pot is fun!
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Day 54: Just another weigh-in and feeding session
Here are some snapshots of this morning's weigh-in and feeding session--all very routine at this point.
Fungus Gnats
There was one fungus gnat buzzing around, so I spritzed the media (not the plant) with 1% Neem oil again. The label on the spray says it's certified organic and can be used on fruits and vegetables right up to the day of harvest. Still, even if da bugz keep buzzin, I think I can stop spraying a week or 10 days before harvest because, really, how much damage can the little sh*ts do in that much time? Next coco grow I'm going to take steps to keep them from getting established in the first place.
Morning weigh-in: 4.1 kilos dry, 5.6 kilos after adding 1.5 liters.
She has eight branches (from nodes 2, 3, 4, and 5) and some definite (if small) colas now.
One of her "big" colas. I get a kick out of pinching it and feeling how dense it is getting. My little girl is growing up!
The tip burn has gotten a little more noticeable. The weak tea I've been feeding her lately (~270 PPM) will help to flush out the excess, I'm sure.
Here are some snapshots of this morning's weigh-in and feeding session--all very routine at this point.
Fungus Gnats
There was one fungus gnat buzzing around, so I spritzed the media (not the plant) with 1% Neem oil again. The label on the spray says it's certified organic and can be used on fruits and vegetables right up to the day of harvest. Still, even if da bugz keep buzzin, I think I can stop spraying a week or 10 days before harvest because, really, how much damage can the little sh*ts do in that much time? Next coco grow I'm going to take steps to keep them from getting established in the first place.
Morning weigh-in: 4.1 kilos dry, 5.6 kilos after adding 1.5 liters.
She has eight branches (from nodes 2, 3, 4, and 5) and some definite (if small) colas now.
One of her "big" colas. I get a kick out of pinching it and feeling how dense it is getting. My little girl is growing up!
The tip burn has gotten a little more noticeable. The weak tea I've been feeding her lately (~270 PPM) will help to flush out the excess, I'm sure.
MrJojo
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Looking real good, getting nice and frosty.
