RQS Critical x2: Photos In Veg 90 Days, Just Flipped

[Bill284]

I am flattered, but for future reference, I'm not in the same league as those guys so you might wanna expand your tags to include someone who knows alot more than me, which is basically everyone. HOWEVER - this problem is quite familiar to me. My Pineapples looked almost the same. Your nutes are locked out. That's my guess. You have salts built up in your roots and the plant get it's nutrition. Again, that is my guess. If it were me I would flush around five to ten gallons of clean water through that plant, wait an hour, then feed them wherever you are in your nute cycle and be sure to include veg nutes (a little) and CalMag (1 tsp/gallon is what I use with almost every watering now).

For what it's worth, that's my take. You can do this.

Better get a drain up in the attic. Your going to be busy.
Bill

 

[Bud Love]

The red stems are fine



What's in that pot? Soil or coco?
I think Nutty has it could be locked out.
Did you try running ph water through her?
Bill

Yeah man
Not loads , kept it to about a gal each. Bit more maybe?
it was nearly a yr ago on gsc autos when nutty advised this, and they where in a much sorrier state.
This issue with this girl seems to of accelerated over the last 2 days.
If I ran some warmer water through, would it help break down the salts quicker? Or is that another prob I’d be giving myself.
thanks for the time man

 

[Jon]

Yeah man
Not loads , kept it to about a gal each. Bit more maybe?
it was nearly a yr ago on gsc autos when nutty advised this, and they where in a much sorrier state.
This issue with this girl seems to of accelerated over the last 2 days.
If I ran some warmer water through, would it help break down the salts quicker? Or is that another prob I’d be giving myself.
thanks for the time man

I gotta chime in here real quick: do NOT use warm water!!!!! I did that once and it almost killed the plant immediately!!! When it rains in real life, the water temperature of the rain is NEVER more than 75 degrees. So I NEVER give my plants warm water ever since I witnessed that. The plant dropped almost immediately and basically wilted in front of my eyes. I put in some cold water right away. She came back but it took a while and she was never the same. So someone else may answer the warm water question differently, and I'm not trying to be an expert by sounding so definite, but that's my take and my experience. I strongly advise against warm water. Just my two cents. I know it's to Bill, sorry.

 

[Jon]

Yeah man
Not loads , kept it to about a gal each. Bit more maybe?
it was nearly a yr ago on gsc autos when nutty advised this, and they where in a much sorrier state.
This issue with this girl seems to of accelerated over the last 2 days.
If I ran some warmer water through, would it help break down the salts quicker? Or is that another prob I’d be giving myself.
thanks for the time man

It's the gravity that will take the salts out. You pour the water in quickly, or at least I do. As fast as I can and until the pot overflows. I suck it out with a shop vac at the same time. The gravity will pull that water down quickly and you'll get quick runoff. That's what you want. That water that comes out will bring the salts with it. And no, one gallon is not enough if the plant has gotten there. Easily fixable but it's a pain in your arse with the loft. I get it. I personally know of no other way to fix this. Again, I don't know that much.

 

[Bud Love]

I am flattered, but for future reference, I'm not in the same league as those guys so you might wanna expand your tags to include someone who knows alot more than me, which is basically everyone. HOWEVER - this problem is quite familiar to me. My Pineapples looked almost the same. Your nutes are locked out. That's my guess. You have salts built up in your roots and the plant cannot get it's nutrition. Again, that is my guess. If it were me I would flush around five to ten gallons of clean water through that plant, wait an hour, then feed them wherever you are in your nute cycle and be sure to include veg nutes (a little) and CalMag (1 tsp/gallon is what I use with almost every watering now).

For what it's worth, that's my take. You can do this.

Thanks Jon
I do it to myself..

I gotta chime in here real quick: do NOT use warm water!!!!! I did that once and it almost killed the plant immediately!!! When it rains in real life, the water temperature of the rain is NEVER more than 75 degrees. So I NEVER give my plants warm water ever since I witnessed that. The plant dropped almost immediately and basically wilted in front of my eyes. I put in some cold water right away. She came back but it took a while and she was never the same. So someone else may answer the warm water question differently, and I'm not trying to be an expert by sounding so definite, but that's my take and my experience. I strongly advise against warm water. Just my two cents. I know it's to Bill, sorry.

Thanks again Jon
Just thought it may help out.. and require less water bugger.
man no prob piping up at any time.
Thanks for your time again..

 

[Bud Love]

Hey @Jon
I’d like to tag everyone, but for now, 3 gurus enough for my little head..
The more gurus the more opinions, the more Bud gets confused
Nick a little bit off everyone an everything eventually, I suppose..at the min I’ve just got to try and dial in the space I’ve got to work with, ( and keep the leaves on) it’s certainly came a long way so far.
I’ve only just started having a look around at all the other expert grows on show. All tied up with my own learning curve, trying to get right what I’ve already learned from y’all. One thing reading it, another thing doing it
Peace to ya
A quick flush it is

 

[Bud Love]

Haven’t seen a full shot of this lady for a while.. gotta say. She does look rather fine
Diesel 2

Although.. yet again I’ve caused a little prob for myself..
My little experiment for fu**tards I have going on is literally falling apart.
I potted this girl up with the air pot inside out..
Ok .. not really an experiment, just me being a fu**tard
Just tried to move her and I’ve pulled the pot apart. Doh

One more question though peeps
Will the flush rinse out all those lovely microbes as well?
Peace peeps

 

[Bud Love]

This young lady also lookin fine ass
Apart from the leaves

 

[Jon]

Haven’t seen a full shot of this lady for a while.. gotta say. She does look rather fine
Diesel 2

Although.. yet again I’ve caused a little prob for myself..
My little experiment for fu**tards I have going on is literally falling apart.
I potted this girl up with the air pot inside out..
Ok .. not really an experiment, just me being a fu**tard
Just tried to move her and I’ve pulled the pot apart. Doh

One more question though peeps
Will the flush rinse out all those lovely microbes as well?
Peace peeps

Lol. That's a new one. As far as the microbes, yeah, maybe a little on the flush, but they multiply. I wouldn't worry about that. And if you're a molasses guy you'll be putting some back in anyway. That Diesel looks awesome! You're so hard on yourself, man. Give Bud love a break. He's working his ass off. Peace to you.

 

[Bud Love]

Lol. That's a new one. As far as the microbes, yeah, maybe a little on the flush, but they multiply. I wouldn't worry about that. And if you're a molasses guy you'll be putting some back in anyway. That Diesel looks awesome! You're so hard on yourself, man. Give Bud love a break. He's working his ass off. Peace to you.

Lovin it matey
Thanks

 

[Bill284]

Haven’t seen a full shot of this lady for a while.. gotta say. She does look rather fine
Diesel 2

Although.. yet again I’ve caused a little prob for myself..
My little experiment for fu**tards I have going on is literally falling apart.
I potted this girl up with the air pot inside out..
Ok .. not really an experiment, just me being a fu**tard
Just tried to move her and I’ve pulled the pot apart. Doh

One more question though peeps
Will the flush rinse out all those lovely microbes as well?
Peace peeps

Where are the plastic screws holding her together.
Also I think that pot is inside out. Holes point out not covered part. I think without going through my GG thread.
Get some zipties and clip them on top and bottom of seam as best you can before she explodes.
Bill

 

[Bud Love]

Where are the plastic screws holding her together.
Also I think that pot is inside out. Holes point out not covered part. I think without going through my GG thread.
Get some zipties and clip them on top and bottom of seam as best you can before she explodes.
Bill

Hey man
Hope your good
Yeah all I can do
Plastic screws don’t work as well when everything’s back to front ..apparently

 

[dick23rk]

Hey bud, I'm a little late to the conversation, I seen this morning that you tagged me but then my phone rang and I had to go for orentation for a new job.

I'd have to say go ahead and flush that plant like Bill and jon mentioned before making any changes. It very well could be salt build up. Not sure if it was you I mentioned it to, but you could start doing a feed, feed, water regime. When you water, ph the water to the ph needed for your medium, and make sure to get 10 to 20% runoff, this will keep the salts from building up on you. Now that you've just watered/flushed the plant, feed them the next 2 times as you were, then water again.

Some nutrients will build up more than others. If this is a nutrient lockout due to salt buildups, the nutrient being locked out would appear to be magnesium. Here is a chart that shows what other nutrients can cause the lockout.

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• dick23rk
• May 20, 2021

 

[Jon]

Hey bud, I'm a little late to the conversation, I seen this morning that you tagged me but then my phone rang and I had to go for orentation for a new job.

I'd have to say go ahead and flush that plant like Bill and jon mentioned before making any changes. It very well could be salt build up. Not sure if it was you I mentioned it to, but you could start doing a feed, feed, water regime. When you water, ph the water to the ph needed for your medium, and make sure to get 10 to 20% runoff, this will keep the salts from building up on you. Now that you've just watered/flushed the plant, feed them the next 2 times as you were, then water again.

Some nutrients will build up more than others. If this is a nutrient lockout due to salt buildups, the nutrient being locked out would appear to be magnesium. Here is a chart that shows what other nutrients can cause the lockout.

0efb34e65941250f26579520f70c8fdb.jpg

• dick23rk
• May 20, 2021

Hey man, I'm finding the same thing periodically here as I said, and now that you posted that, would you happen to know why magnesium seems to be the nutrient that my plants are using up so quickly? Is that a strain specific kind of thing? I think I'd be fine on the Ca. If I had Mag instead of CalMag I'd be fine too, lmao. I have a bag of epsom salts. Any advantage there that may help? Honestly right now the plants are great but I'm anticipating cuz it's been so consistent.

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[dick23rk]

Hey man, I'm finding the same thing periodically here as I said, and now that you posted that, would you happen to know why magnesium seems to be the nutrient that my plants are using up so quickly? Is that a strain specific kind of thing? I think I'd be fine on the Ca. If I had Mag instead of CalMag I'd be fine too, lmao. I have a bag of epsom salts. Any advantage there that may help? Honestly right now the plants are great but I'm anticipating cuz it's been so consistent.

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They are in flower correct?
If so, the plant is using/needing a lot more energy now than it was in veg. Photosynthesis is how a plant collects photons and converts them into usable energy. Magnesium plays the role of allowing the chlorophyll in the leaves to collect the photons and convert them. So that's kind of why your plants use more magnesium in flower if that helps.

Yes, you can use epsom salts instead for just magnesium if your nutrients have plenty of calcium. I've never used them yet myself, but I should be spraying my dwc plants with it, things have just been too hectic here

 

[Jon]

They are in flower correct?
If so, the plant is using/needing a lot more energy now than it was in veg. Photosynthesis is how a plant collects photons and converts them into usable energy. Magnesium plays the role of allowing the chlorophyll in the leaves to collect the photons and convert them. So that's kind of why your plants use more magnesium in flower if that helps.

Yes, you can use epsom salts instead for just magnesium if your nutrients have plenty of calcium. I've never used them yet myself, but I should be spraying my dwc plants with it, things have just been too hectic here

Hey thanks so much for the thoughtful response. Yes, they are in flower. And that makes complete sense. Thanks!! It seems I can just top dress the soil before watering or after (not sure which) with some epsom salts, yes?

 

[dick23rk]

It seems I can just top dress the soil before watering or after (not sure which) with some epsom salts, yes?

You would have to check with someone that uses it in that manner as I've never had to use just epsom salts. Or even a quick Google search can give you the answer.

 

[Jon]

You would have to check with someone that uses it in that manner as I've never had to use just epsom salts. Or even a quick Google search can give you the answer.

Gotcha just thought maybe you'd done it.

 

[Bud Love]

Hey bud, I'm a little late to the conversation, I seen this morning that you tagged me but then my phone rang and I had to go for orentation for a new job.

I'd have to say go ahead and flush that plant like Bill and jon mentioned before making any changes. It very well could be salt build up. Not sure if it was you I mentioned it to, but you could start doing a feed, feed, water regime. When you water, ph the water to the ph needed for your medium, and make sure to get 10 to 20% runoff, this will keep the salts from building up on you. Now that you've just watered/flushed the plant, feed them the next 2 times as you were, then water again.

Some nutrients will build up more than others. If this is a nutrient lockout due to salt buildups, the nutrient being locked out would appear to be magnesium. Here is a chart that shows what other nutrients can cause the lockout.

0efb34e65941250f26579520f70c8fdb.jpg

• dick23rk
• May 20, 2021

No worries man..
Thanks for getting back with.. as always, some really excellent useful information.
Things go tits fast when things start to look off. However. All the girls looking perky this morning.
really appreciate it matey.thank you

 

[Bud Love]

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