Rifleman's Roost Open 24/7: Perpetually Perplexed

I have two phenos (I've only grown these two) of (Punto Rojo x Unknown Swami genetics) x SSDC. One is maturing faster than the other but neither have a very strong odor. They are nearly identical in every way but the apparent ripening time. I'm not going to count them out, but I won't be growing anymore out for awhile.
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SSDC on the other hand, I will be growing more of those for more breeding after I get my (Columbian Red Point x Unknown) x DDA F2s grown out and hopefully a few autoflower phenos found. The F1 I grew out was almost identical to DDA plus a bit more potency.
 
beez0404 pollinated one of your DDA seeds with a Quarter Pounder Auto Lucas. He found the QP experience an intense, racy buzz, so he forced the next plant and spread the pollen around. The DDA was a perfect choice. And she's showing her bounty.

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All the lives you've enhanced Lucas..... You have no idea. :circle-of-love:
 
Ganjagrowergu said:
I have two phenos (I've only grown these two) of (Punto Rojo x Unknown Swami genetics) x SSDC. One is maturing faster than the other but neither have a very strong odor. They are nearly identical in every way but the apparent ripening time. I'm not going to count them out, but I won't be growing anymore out for awhile.
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SSDC on the other hand, I will be growing more of those for more breeding after I get my (Columbian Red Point x Unknown) x DDA F2s grown out and hopefully a few autoflower phenos found. The F1 I grew out was almost identical to DDA plus a bit more potency.
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beez0404 pollinated one of your DDA seeds with a Quarter Pounder Auto Lucas. He found the QP experience an intense, racy buzz, so he forced the next plant and spread the pollen around. The DDA was a perfect choice. And she's showing her bounty.

Pregnant mama

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All the lives you've enhanced Lucas..... You have no idea. :circle-of-love:
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Wow, beautiful plants. :passitleft:
 
Rifleman said:
Wow, beautiful plants. :passitleft:
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Thanks... :passitleft:

He’s a master in his gardens. He’s figured out how to use Mega Crop and keep the leaves lovely straight through to harvest. Mega Crop is so easy I’m tempted to switch back. I’ll use up my RX and watch Brix play first.
 
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Mega Crop is so easy I’m tempted to switch back.
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When Greenleaf Nutrients changed the formulation of Mega Crop some time around the middle of last month, it added a coupon code to get the 750g size for free (plus shipping), too. But it doesn't seem to be mentioned on its website (the 300g coupon code still is). Instead of choosing the 300g (smallest) size and using "MEGACROPPROMO," people can select the 750g size and use "MEGACROP2" for the code.

This is not a product endorsement, lol - just something I discovered whilst searching for information about the product.
 
For you folks that signed up to learn DWC I've got news. There was finally something to do today, reservoir changes. It's only been seven days since I did the first one this grow, but the temperature extremes this weekend have me wanting to empty the buckets and start fresher. If you missed it earlier, the reservoir temperatures were 80°F this weekend due to an hvac malfunction and wood stove.

The real quick explanation on how this is done is this;

Remove the netpot containing your plant and set it onto an empty bucket.
Take pH and ppm reading of the solution in the bucket. Write them down.
Empty and clean the bucket.
Fill the bucket with 4 gallons of fresh water that has had time for the chlorine to evap away.
Take a ppm reading of the fresh water. Write it down.
Add your nutrients and other additives you wish to use. Write down what amounts and what you use.
Make sure it is mixed well.
Take pH and ppm reading of the solution now in the bucket. Write them down.
Replace the netpot and plant on the renewed reservoir.

Notice I said ~Write It Down~ Note taking is an important part of DWC. If you trust your brain to keep these numbers and the ones from the previous week, well your better off than I am. I'm old and can't remember squat. The notes help me remember what my nutrient mix is. I compare that to how well my plant is doing and it gives me an idea of what to do next time in regards to feeding.

Since I did all this this morning for three different buckets, I'm going to spare you the overflow of info and not list each one here. I will however post an example of my version of notes, with readings. It goes like this.

ppm out......835
pH out.........6.6 @ 76°
pH in............6.3 @ 68°
ppm in........900
Plain water ppm.....132
Nutrient value of reservoir....768 (this is derived by subtracting the plain water ppm from the ppm in reading.)

That's really all there is to it. Repeat this every seven to ten days until they are using a significant amount of water, then it is a little different. I'll touch on that in a few weeks when it becomes an issue in my garden.

Any questions? Did I skip something that needs touched on? Speak up students, as Daddy used to say "I can't hear the rocks rattle when you shake your head, speak up." :rofl:
 
Another term for "dramatic" is "disaster in progress." Sometimes, <YAWN> is a good thing. I mean... you've been doing this for a while. If you had to go out of town and leave the garden in someone else's hands, and they called you a few days later and said, "I just looked into your grow room, and you're not going to believe what I saw," is the next thought to enter your mind going to be, "Did they get a foot taller, two feet bigger around, and reach harvest time three weeks early?" Or is it going to be, "Oh f*ck, what happened?!" :p
 
Tead said:
Those numbers are barely changed after an entire week. It needs to be more dramatic. Yawn!
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Noooooo, I've had enough drama this season. :)

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Another term for "dramatic" is "disaster in progress." Sometimes, <YAWN> is a good thing.
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Yawn is always a good thing in my world. I'm not a fan of surprises, even when they are good ones.:cool:

Tead said:
LET THE MAYHEM FLOW!!!!!
Sorry... feeling a bit chaotic tonight.
I tipped over a 5gal of plant and perlite today. Stuffed it back in, watered it, and wished for something more interesting. It's getting boring watching them grow. Hell.... I don't even test PPMs. Boring.
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See there... that's karma. :rofl: Boring huh, maybe you'd prefer some spider mites ?:eek:
 
Everybody sing it with me...

:theband: Do You See What I See ? :theband:

The beginnings of pollen sacs on Day 17 of CS spraying ! Finally something going correctly. :cool:

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How about a quick garden update before the arctic blast. :ciao:


This is the last day for the CS spray, day 20. That's how easy it is to make your own fem seeds. All I need do now is let nature take its course.
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Day 20, last day for CS spray


4A, day 23. The only one so far to really use any water, her level is down about 2 quarts since Monday's water change.
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4 Assed Monkey Day 23

BT, day 18. Just like 4A nothing to say except the stretch should start this week. Grow babies grow! :p
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Blue Tooth Day 18


SS, day 19. She sprouted funny and looks like she self topped herself. Maybe she will straighten out in the next week. :hmmmm:
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Sour Stomper Day 19


DC, day 14. I know back on the 2nd I said this little girl was eliminated. What I actually did was drop another seed down into the Rapid Rooter she is growing in and left it alone. A day or so later I thought what the neck, I've got nothing to lose. I grabbed each cotyledon leaves and spread them apart so that the area between them at the stem ripped just a tiny amount. Fast forward to today and the extra seed I dropped in never sprouted, and this girl is going to pop out a single leaf and make a go of it. WTH, I've got nothing but time. :rolleyes:
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Sweet and Sour Devil's Crack Day 14
 
Update from the weekend:

Sunday 1-20-19
Day 25 for 4A, she received 1 gallon replacement water. I used tap water that has been in a five gallon bucket for a few days to evaporate the chlorine. I added 1ml of pH down to this gallon. That adjusts the pH of the replacement water to approximately 6.0, which works in my garden with the Advanced Nutrients.

Monday 1-21-19
Checked ppm and pH of everyone.
4A day 26, ppm 827, pH 6.8@78°
SS day 22, ppm 885, pH 6.5@80°
BT day 21, ppm 895, pH 6.4@79°
DC day 17, ppm 994, pH 6.3@79°

That's about it. Nothing going on except growth. I may change the 4A reservoir later this week since it is drinking and pH has risen a tad. Wait and see. :)
 
DWC Lesson #3 :laugh:

Some have asked me how I determine the feed level for my plants. The truth is I eyeball them. o_O I know that doesn't help y'all much, but it's the truth. If I were to give y'all advice I would say begin at 25% of your nutrient manufacturer's recommendation, and work up to about 50% by the time you flip the light schedule, rarely more.

If however you are a hydro grower that checks ppm and pH on a regular basis, the chart and notes below pretty much tell you what to do in each circumstance. Too bad we lost all the blogged posts, this chart and many more were saved in mine for easy reference. <~~~~~staff please pass on.


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*The ideal scenario you are looking to achieve is where the EC is either dropping slightly or remaining static, with a static or slightly rising ph and a dropping water level. If you get this situation, keep doing exactly what you are doing because your plant is feeding and drinking.

Note 1. When pumping air into a nutrient solution in order to add Dissolved Oxygen, not only oxygen is present, CO2 is also pumped in. If you live near a busy road, this may be higher than normal, so you may get a dropping ph quite often. I have noticed most of the growers who suffer from a falling ph in DWC tend to live in large cities. This may not be a link but it could be. When CO2 is added to water, it makes it more acidic. This is the precise process which causes acid rain, pollution from power stations etc pouring CO2 into the air, this mixes with the water vapour in clouds causing acid rain.

Note 2. Most people assume that with a rising EC, it is the plants way of saying, I dont want more food, here, have some back. What is actually happening is this. Plants roots take in water/nutrients through a process called Osmosis. Effectively, if you think in terms of the roots having their own internal EC. The osmosis process will always try to balance out the EC's, taking from the higher side of the barrier and giving to the lower part. So if the EC of the nutrient solution is higher than the "internal EC", then food & water will flow from the solution to the roots, this is the normal process. If however, the EC of the solution is higher than the "internal EC", then the balancing will work the other way and nutrition will be leeched from the roots to the solution. A res change or increase in EC should resolve depending on the other factors such as ph and water levels.

Note 3. Nutrients flow around a well hydrated plant much more effectively and faster than one which isnt as well hydrated. How can growers use this? By feeding at lower levels, the plant needs to take on more water in order to get the nutrition it requires. So by feeding at moderate levels, this forces the plant to drink more. By drinking more, it is better hydrated, because it is better hydrated, it needs more food, making it eat more. So feed at moderate levels rather than overly aggressive levels. The method of pushing the EC until you see signs of nute burn is damaging to the plants and although many growers use this method, I am not a fan though your plants are not mine!
 
Quiz Time !

Y'all first timers trying to wrap your heads around DWC didn't think you were gonna get to skate by did ya ? :laugh: No way, it's time to use your head to think with.

I'm going to give you some readings from my buckets. One set from Jan14th when the last reservoir changes were done, and another set taken this morning. You'll get all the pertinent information, and I'd like you to tell me what the next move for each plant should be. Don't be scared to sound off, there are wrong answers but we will all learn kindly from them. :high-five:

Hold on cause here we go, the quiz begins... :yahoo:

All of my buckets are run at a 16 quart level. I take all measurements at that level. When I replace water in a bucket, it is pH adjusted water only, no nutrients.

Plant 4A
Jan14...pH 6.4 ppm 935
Jan23...pH 6.5 ppm 723
Used 7.5qts replacement water

Plant SS
Jan14...pH 6.2 ppm 860
Jan23...pH 6.6 ppm 848
Used 1qt replacement water

Plant BT
Jan14...pH 6.3 ppm 865
Jan23...pH 6.6 ppm 776
Used 3qts replacement water

Plant DC
Jan14...pH 6.4 ppm 960
Jan23...pH 6.4 ppm 976
Used 0.5qt replacement water

Using this information and the chart and photos in my last two posts, tell me what i should do with each plant. I'll take any answers you'd like to give from the simplest two word answer of "do nothing" to as complex as you care to make it. Were all here to pass along knowledge I hope. :hmmmm:

Extra credit if you get close to what I'm actually going to do, that means you get to double hit the bong all day without being called a Bogart. :rofl:
 
Answers mirror chart.... water level - EC - PH

Rifleman said:
Plant 4A
Jan14...pH 6.4 ppm 935
Jan23...pH 6.5 ppm 723
Used 7.5qts replacement water
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I'd be tempted to call the PH static, but it's high anyway and even tho it's one point, I'm call it 'rising'. Add in the fact that it's uptake is high, and there's little difference between the 2 outcomes, my final answer, "Falling-Falling-Rising". Good job. Bump her nutes some and get the PH down to your target.


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Plant SS
Jan14...pH 6.2 ppm 860
Jan23...pH 6.6 ppm 848
Used 1qt replacement water
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Tiny wierdo. I think the nutes are high and I'd thin her out some. Don't know if the odd looking growth is genetics or nutes.
PH rising, and pretty high. PPM basically static. Not much water use.
Static-Static-Rising
Bring down the PH. Personally I'd back off on the PPMs too.



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Plant BT
Jan14...pH 6.3 ppm 865
Jan23...pH 6.6 ppm 776
Used 3qts replacement water
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Now dat's a purdy girl!
PPM falling with water level. PH rising. Without consulting the chart, this all seems good and looks good.
Lemme check the chart.....

Falling-Falling-Rising... seems pretty good. Drop the PH back down and drive on baby!



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Plant DC
Jan14...pH 6.4 ppm 960
Jan23...pH 6.4 ppm 976
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What the hell man? That not even a plant yet! Killin me.
Static-Static-Static
Pull it and move on with life.


Did I win a cupie doll?
 
Rifleman said:
Quiz Time !
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Will the final exam consist of running a plant from start to finish with no meters or reservoir changes, lol?

I'm just kidding, although it can be done, and even done - I won't use the term "well," lol - in such a way that the gardener is satisfied with the harvest. But it requires the gardener to be able to read his/her plants, good hygiene, a STABLE water supply, and an understanding of one's nutrients. But even I wouldn't recommend the practice, and I'm lazy AND poor.

By the way, in case I haven't already done so, thank you for doing this. I just suggested someone subscribe to your thread in order to learn The Great DWC Mystery (:rofl:). It wasn't the first time, and it probably won't be the last. I get frustrated way too easily to do what you are doing, at least on a regular basis. :thumb:
 
Tead said:
Did I win a cupie doll?
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I think you were supposed to wait and see if that slow kid in the back row who ate all his fingerpaint could figure it out, lol.

EDIT: By the way, has anyone kept track of the first post of this whole "DWC Hydroponics How-To" thing, so that I can point people directly to it?
 
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