Thanks for the help!!
BTW...did I say, looking awesome?!
I just realized I responded so many times hahahaha.
Not sure if I should blame that one on being high as F, possibly a lil drunky drunk or just being air headed.
More than likely it was a combination of all 3. ;) sorry, man!
Again, I do appreciate your help and knowledge!
Ahh, sounds like you were having a good time, never need to apologize for that! And I'm always happy to help where I can.
Rex, you're the man. So glad you brought up the myths of autos, cuz there really are tons of them. I however disagree with you strongly on planting an auto, or any other pot plant, in the final container.

Not True (in my opinion) In the LEAST, and all of these are floating around in cyberspace:
- don't transplant an auto
- start an auto only in final container
- don't top an auto
- don't top an auto more than once
- don't top an auto more than one node down from the top
- autos need less nutes than photos
- you can't mess up an auto with light in any way
Hey Jon thanks!
What auto have you messed up with a light? Closest I've come with that was a camera infrared messed it up till I learnt to leave the camera IR off.
All of the above is crap. I've proven it over and over again. And although I agree 1000% on the large final container as the final home, I disagree with the starting it there.
I get much much better results from up-potting.
how many now have you uppotted? I've been watching your journal and I did see you had up-potted, and remember you saying you had before.

This recent grow I started the Chunkadelic in a one instead of a Dixie to see how that would go, and I'm now convinced that's the way to go with autos - for indoors, start in a one and up pot to a five. As long as you can fill the root ball in a one gallon pot with effective watering in around 20 days, you're good. I do it every time now. Just my opinion, not saying you're wrong, if starting your plants in the final container works for you, great. And maybe in non-soil mediums it's different.
might be due to my using hydroton as a medium, but I do know that transplanting an auto with a larger root mass into a big bucket of hydroton can stunt an auto. Did that. It's a risk, not a guaranteed outcome.
But the trade off for not up potting is having to work a root ball in a huge pot with a tiny plant, and that's a challenge that is easily avoided by up potting, not to mention that a strong one gallon root ball going into a five beats the crap out of whatever anyone can do with it in it's final pot in the same amount of time.
Well then sir, at some point in the future we should work on a bit of a collaboration. If you want we can work out the details in my other journal or via PM.
Again, this is just my experience. All of this is a work in progress for all of us I suppose. Thanks for the awesome post and journal, man, I hope you plant to enter it in Jotm when it's finished. Not too many dedicated auto journals here.
thank you for calling me out on it. Seriously, thank you. Talks like this is how progress is made. But I will still standby my earlier advice, and not advise newer growers to transplant autos (except a seedling plug into final container). You might have gotten the timing down right, or have found a good way of doing it. But I think that with the amount of variables, it's not something I'll be recommending, and it's a safe bet right now, as I usually avoid giving soil growing advice.


I think that's something that I'll keep an open mind for, and won't say that it can't be done, just that it's not something I'd recommend until a few auto grows have been done.

keep pushing the limits brother :green_heart:
Also, what has your experience been using 24/0? Do you use that only in veg and switch it once they start to bud? How are the plants affected when they get no rest time?
From my observations, 24hrs of light at the start of an auto grow is perfectly fine. They loose zero stride and no detrimental effects at this stage.
I understand ruderalis naturally grows in climates where they sometimes get up to 20 or 22 hours of light sometimes, but I have been operating under the assumption that even autos need some rest.
They do need rest. Just the younger ones need less rest then the older ones, and with the ruderalis gene they can rest in bright light. Ill be timing the lighting changes with around stretch. Once that vigourous growth starts, they seem to need a bit more rest. At that point, it's just a waste of electricity keeping the lights on 24hrs.
I tried 22/2 my first grow and it worked out okay, but then the last ones I've been using 18/6 due to the ease of being able to use the tent while photos are in veg if necessary
id never give less then 18hrs of light, anything less, I think you risk having a smaller yield.
. Personally I'm finding that 18/6 works very well, but I don't have a big enough pool of data yet to draw conclusions. It so easy with an auto to defer to "more light = more better," and I get that, I'm just wondering where the sweet spot is. There has to be one. And I suspect it's different for each strain. Any thoughts on this?
im not sure here Jon. The sweet spot is between 18/6 and 20/4 from my observations (depending on stage of the grow). 18/6 seems to be the spot for cost of energy in (electricity wise) and how much the plant actually needs. It's the safest bet for a light schedule (18/6). The strain might play a role, I grow mainly indica dominant hybrids, bit can't say with any certainty.
Looking Beautiful Rexer :love:
I mostly grow in soil and have dabbled in hydroponics.
So I am following along to try to learn more and decide what to do for my next grow. :hmmmm:
Now if I could just retain what I read that would be helpful. Wishing you a Happy Healthy Grow!
The fruits of your labor will bear the fruits of your success :passitleft:
ahh thanks Nancy! Happy to have you here, and don't be shy to ask anything! I'll answer or someone here will. If you decide to do a hydro grow sometime feel free to tag me in!
Your garden is looking great Rexer :D

My next challenge is to start seeds straight into plugs / hydro. Ive not done that yet. Ive only put clones in the net pots

Thanks brother, the rapid roots made it stupid easy this go around. Easiest start to a grow I've ever had. No need to presoak the seeds.
They'll be my new normal start from this point on.
Rex my friend, looks like you’ve got it going on. I’ve only ran autos once but I’ll be looking into for the future. Would be nice to stagger my harvest out and get a variety going.
Thanks James! Call it love at first sight, but I love the rapid pace of an auto. And having a staggered harvest is just wonderful, I hope these don't need chopping the same week. It's a little easier in my body.
 
Ahh, sounds like you were having a good time, never need to apologize for that! And I'm always happy to help where I can.

Hey Jon thanks!
What auto have you messed up with a light? Closest I've come with that was a camera infrared messed it up till I learnt to leave the camera IR off.

how many now have you uppotted? I've been watching your journal and I did see you had up-potted, and remember you saying you had before.


might be due to my using hydroton as a medium, but I do know that transplanting an auto with a larger root mass into a big bucket of hydroton can stunt an auto. Did that. It's a risk, not a guaranteed outcome.

Well then sir, at some point in the future we should work on a bit of a collaboration. If you want we can work out the details in my other journal or via PM.

thank you for calling me out on it. Seriously, thank you. Talks like this is how progress is made. But I will still standby my earlier advice, and not advise newer growers to transplant autos (except a seedling plug into final container). You might have gotten the timing down right, or have found a good way of doing it. But I think that with the amount of variables, it's not something I'll be recommending, and it's a safe bet right now, as I usually avoid giving soil growing advice.


I think that's something that I'll keep an open mind for, and won't say that it can't be done, just that it's not something I'd recommend until a few auto grows have been done.

keep pushing the limits brother :green_heart:

From my observations, 24hrs of light at the start of an auto grow is perfectly fine. They loose zero stride and no detrimental effects at this stage.

They do need rest. Just the younger ones need less rest then the older ones, and with the ruderalis gene they can rest in bright light. Ill be timing the lighting changes with around stretch. Once that vigourous growth starts, they seem to need a bit more rest. At that point, it's just a waste of electricity keeping the lights on 24hrs.

id never give less then 18hrs of light, anything less, I think you risk having a smaller yield.

im not sure here Jon. The sweet spot is between 18/6 and 20/4 from my observations (depending on stage of the grow). 18/6 seems to be the spot for cost of energy in (electricity wise) and how much the plant actually needs. It's the safest bet for a light schedule (18/6). The strain might play a role, I grow mainly indica dominant hybrids, bit can't say with any certainty.

ahh thanks Nancy! Happy to have you here, and don't be shy to ask anything! I'll answer or someone here will. If you decide to do a hydro grow sometime feel free to tag me in!


Thanks brother, the rapid roots made it stupid easy this go around. Easiest start to a grow I've ever had. No need to presoak the seeds.
They'll be my new normal start from this point on.

Thanks James! Call it love at first sight, but I love the rapid pace of an auto. And having a staggered harvest is just wonderful, I hope these don't need chopping the same week. It's a little easier in my body.
Damn I love this response, thanks. Well, I'll save all we have to discuss (lol) cuz clearly it's a lot and also we both seem to have significant interest in learning the best ways to max out an autoflower. I was in no way suggesting you should not suggest not up-potting, by the way. I agree with you that it's sort of a fair best practices type policy especially for new growers. So just so you know I had no intention or feeling that I was 'calling you out,' as that was not at all my intent. More like starting a discussion/debate or whatever more so than trying to correct you. Just fyi. And yeah, maybe I have found a sweet spot of sorts, we'll talk about that. Cuz here's what is clear to me: we both realize that every variable has a sweet spot or a range of sweet spots through the entirety of the cycle. The environment, the feeding, the watering, when you increase the light, etc....all of it. And I believe that we both seem to think that if we can find those sweet spots for every variable we can max out an autoflower. Regardless of medium. I can certainly speak on the soil end with reasonable confidence at this point and I know where to go if I don't know. (:laughtwo:) You seem to be able to elocute on the hydro end. So I really like your idea. I'd love to collaborate with you. I even happen to have the perfect opportunity and idea for it coming up too. Based on what I see from your timing of your current deal and mine, I have something that might be really cool to try. So I will send you a conversation thingie and let's talk if you are so inclined. I betcha we can rewrite all the rules about autos and show those damn little bastards how to produce like big girls every time. Heh.
 
Hey iv been working on my room my plant out grew my tents y'all think I did good with the new setup


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Also, what has your experience been using 24/0? Do you use that only in veg and switch it once they start to bud? How are the plants affected when they get no rest time?
I can't find the research at the moment, but cannabis is a C class plant, meaning that it does not need a dark period to grow. Obviously a photoperiod plant won't flower on that schedule, but cannabis doesn't need a rest period during veg.

That said, they may not be using all that light, depending on the PPFD they're getting during that time. Cannabis plants have a general Daily Light Integral requirement, and once you go beyond that you are probably wasting electricity and money. Those with less wattage would be encouraged to run their autos 24/0 from seed to harvest to compensate.
id never give less then 18hrs of light, anything less, I think you risk having a smaller yield.
Indeed. More light, bigger buds until you hit the DLI, and then you can save some money!
 
I can't find the research at the moment, but cannabis is a C class plant, meaning that it does not need a dark period to grow. Obviously a photoperiod plant won't flower on that schedule, but cannabis doesn't need a rest period during veg.

That said, they may not be using all that light, depending on the PPFD they're getting during that time. Cannabis plants have a general Daily Light Integral requirement, and once you go beyond that you are probably wasting electricity and money. Those with less wattage would be encouraged to run their autos 24/0 from seed to harvest to compensate.

Indeed. More light, bigger buds until you hit the DLI, and then you can save some money!
THANKS @InTheShed ! Excellent info. Appreciate that!!!
 
Here are some contest pics (only running a p4000)# ViparspectraP4000
Thanks for sharing @SinSemillaWhisperer420 and welcome to the journal!
The #ViparSpectraP4000 is a solid light, you've got some beautiful flowers going right now!


Journal Update!


Day 22

Tent temp: 22C
Tent RH%: ~50-80%
Previous PPM: : 684 ppm
Current PPM: 671 PPM ( drop)
Adjusted PPM to: 723 PPM (raised)
PH: 6.4 (adjusted to 5.9)
Res temp: 20.2C
Water level: slight drop


So, I know I keep saying it, but it bears repeating. The Bruce Banner Auto is astonishing for its size and age. I took a photo yesterday showing its size.


The other plants are all doing fantastic! The Somango suffered the first mistake of the grow. When snipping a small leaf, I accidentally chopped one of her bigger leaves in the process. Today she shows no loss of stride, and her other leaves are gaining in size quickly to compensate.

They've been getting steady bumps in their feed, as it seems each day they want a bump, always nice to see that at this stage of the grow, it means their going full pace, or close to it. I'll most likely do a res change tonight or tomorrow, the RO water reservoir is full and ready for the change.

Hope everyone is enjoying the long weekend!



 
Thanks for sharing @SinSemillaWhisperer420 and welcome to the journal!
The #ViparSpectraP4000 is a solid light, you've got some beautiful flowers going right now!


Journal Update!


Day 22

Tent temp: 22C
Tent RH%: ~50-80%
Previous PPM: : 684 ppm
Current PPM: 671 PPM ( drop)
Adjusted PPM to: 723 PPM (raised)
PH: 6.4 (adjusted to 5.9)
Res temp: 20.2C
Water level: slight drop


So, I know I keep saying it, but it bears repeating. The Bruce Banner Auto is astonishing for its size and age. I took a photo yesterday showing its size.


The other plants are all doing fantastic! The Somango suffered the first mistake of the grow. When snipping a small leaf, I accidentally chopped one of her bigger leaves in the process. Today she shows no loss of stride, and her other leaves are gaining in size quickly to compensate.

They've been getting steady bumps in their feed, as it seems each day they want a bump, always nice to see that at this stage of the grow, it means their going full pace, or close to it. I'll most likely do a res change tonight or tomorrow, the RO water reservoir is full and ready for the change.

Hope everyone is enjoying the long weekend!



Damn those look fantastic man. And yeah, that BB is HUGE. A foot across already? DAMN.
 
Thanks for sharing @SinSemillaWhisperer420 and welcome to the journal!
The #ViparSpectraP4000 is a solid light, you've got some beautiful flowers going right now!


Journal Update!


Day 22

Tent temp: 22C
Tent RH%: ~50-80%
Previous PPM: : 684 ppm
Current PPM: 671 PPM ( drop)
Adjusted PPM to: 723 PPM (raised)
PH: 6.4 (adjusted to 5.9)
Res temp: 20.2C
Water level: slight drop


So, I know I keep saying it, but it bears repeating. The Bruce Banner Auto is astonishing for its size and age. I took a photo yesterday showing its size.


The other plants are all doing fantastic! The Somango suffered the first mistake of the grow. When snipping a small leaf, I accidentally chopped one of her bigger leaves in the process. Today she shows no loss of stride, and her other leaves are gaining in size quickly to compensate.

They've been getting steady bumps in their feed, as it seems each day they want a bump, always nice to see that at this stage of the grow, it means their going full pace, or close to it. I'll most likely do a res change tonight or tomorrow, the RO water reservoir is full and ready for the change.

Hope everyone is enjoying the long weekend!



Hey brother I hope all is good. Looking great over here and it seems the plants r very happy under your care. Great work my friend.
Play safe and enjoy
 
Thanks for sharing @SinSemillaWhisperer420 and welcome to the journal!
The #ViparSpectraP4000 is a solid light, you've got some beautiful flowers going right now!


Journal Update!


Day 22

Tent temp: 22C
Tent RH%: ~50-80%
Previous PPM: : 684 ppm
Current PPM: 671 PPM ( drop)
Adjusted PPM to: 723 PPM (raised)
PH: 6.4 (adjusted to 5.9)
Res temp: 20.2C
Water level: slight drop


So, I know I keep saying it, but it bears repeating. The Bruce Banner Auto is astonishing for its size and age. I took a photo yesterday showing its size.


The other plants are all doing fantastic! The Somango suffered the first mistake of the grow. When snipping a small leaf, I accidentally chopped one of her bigger leaves in the process. Today she shows no loss of stride, and her other leaves are gaining in size quickly to compensate.

They've been getting steady bumps in their feed, as it seems each day they want a bump, always nice to see that at this stage of the grow, it means their going full pace, or close to it. I'll most likely do a res change tonight or tomorrow, the RO water reservoir is full and ready for the change.

Hope everyone is enjoying the long weekend!




Big ass fan leaves! Keep up the awesome work!
 
Damn those look fantastic man. And yeah, that BB is HUGE. A foot across already? DAMN.
Thanks man, that thing just keeps throwing out massive leaves right now. It's going to be fun watching her hit stretch!! Though at this point I'd kinda like her to start growing upwards soon.
Hey brother I hope all is good. Looking great over here and it seems the plants r very happy under your care. Great work my friend.
Play safe and enjoy
Hey brother, things are going good as can be. Could always be better, but has been much worse, which leaves me that much more content in life.
This has been the best grow I've had yet to this point. Here's to hoping that keeps up:dude-knocking:
Hey everyone hope every ones plants is going great on
Hey jhigh78.

Your plants look good buddy! Not too sure if you're posting pictures of them here looking for help?

You have grown some sweet looking buds and have lots of reasons to be proud. Have you started your journal yet? I understand life can get hectic, but to make the best out of this great resource, :420:, a grow journal is the best way if done well. I'll keep harassing you, politely of course (I am Canadian after all), and I mean harassing as in looking for how to help you best ;)

Everything looks tickety boo!
Thanks Shed!!!
And that Banner is so big you couldn't even fit the whole tape measure in the pic. ;)
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Big ass fan leaves! Keep up the awesome work!
Thanks Mcdoolit! How's your grow going? I'll have to take a pop over...dang, where's the link? You should put a link for your grow in your signature, you'll find more people will be able to find it and follow along :)
Hey Rex hope all is well
Things are doing great thank you! I'd complain, but the Mrs says I do that too much already :rofl:
Looking awesome brother , Bruce banner is always good , but can you fill me in on this Somango? I keep hearing talk about it, I think Modest is giving it a go as well ? What is it who are the parents ?
Hey brother thanks for dropping in! This is actually going to be my 2nd attempt at this strain. I had to cull the 1st one. So the best I can do sorry is a copy and paste from a breeders site.
Somango-

Auto Somango was developed from crossing Jack Herer with Big Skunk before adding ruderalis genetics into the mix to create this auto-flowering strain. It is a very aromatic and flavoursome cannabis strain with a mild and relaxing effect.

Auto Somango produces plants that grow to just under a metre tall at the most indoors while outdoor growers will find that it grows a little taller but rarely higher than 120 cm. Yields indoors are between 350 - 400 gr/m2 realised in a total growing time of 60 days. Buds have a nice density.

This strain has vivid aromatic and flavour properties giving an incredibly powerful tropical fruit quality. THC production is good at 15%. The effect is very pleasant and is recommended for daily use as it's not too strong, being mildly sedative, and will suit those who do not want to be either couch-locked or to have too powerful a psycho-active experience.


I was kinda hoping the Somango would make for a good daytime medicine.


Journal Update!

So, the plants got their first nap in darkness today! For now they are getting a 20/4 schedule, mainly for convenience, and...it's time to introduce dark periods. How do I judge it so? Well, they're well past the seedling stage, and they have a healthy size that I'm happy with. I like to introduce the dark periods prior to stretch,it's just the way I've found that works well for me.
It's not a requirement, as autos can grow in 24hrs of light- it saves some electricity, and thus it will be dark during the warmest parts of the day. Speaking of warmth, like a breath of spring air, they're getting some warmer temps as I raised the temp to 25C. I expect them to take off and show some good growth very soon.


Day 24

Tent temp: 25C (raised)
Tent RH%: ~50-70%
Previous PPM: : 734 ppm
Current PPM: 727 PPM ( drop)
Adjusted PPM to: 741 PPM (raised)
PH: 6.1 (adjusted to 5.8)
Res temp: 20.2C
Water level: slight drop




 
Thanks man, that thing just keeps throwing out massive leaves right now. It's going to be fun watching her hit stretch!! Though at this point I'd kinda like her to start growing upwards soon.

Hey brother, things are going good as can be. Could always be better, but has been much worse, which leaves me that much more content in life.
This has been the best grow I've had yet to this point. Here's to hoping that keeps up:dude-knocking:

Hey jhigh78.

Your plants look good buddy! Not too sure if you're posting pictures of them here looking for help?

You have grown some sweet looking buds and have lots of reasons to be proud. Have you started your journal yet? I understand life can get hectic, but to make the best out of this great resource, :420:, a grow journal is the best way if done well. I'll keep harassing you, politely of course (I am Canadian after all), and I mean harassing as in looking for how to help you best ;)


Thanks Shed!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Thanks Mcdoolit! How's your grow going? I'll have to take a pop over...dang, where's the link? You should put a link for your grow in your signature, you'll find more people will be able to find it and follow along :)

Things are doing great thank you! I'd complain, but the Mrs says I do that too much already :rofl:

Hey brother thanks for dropping in! This is actually going to be my 2nd attempt at this strain. I had to cull the 1st one. So the best I can do sorry is a copy and paste from a breeders site.
Somango-

Auto Somango was developed from crossing Jack Herer with Big Skunk before adding ruderalis genetics into the mix to create this auto-flowering strain. It is a very aromatic and flavoursome cannabis strain with a mild and relaxing effect.

Auto Somango produces plants that grow to just under a metre tall at the most indoors while outdoor growers will find that it grows a little taller but rarely higher than 120 cm. Yields indoors are between 350 - 400 gr/m2 realised in a total growing time of 60 days. Buds have a nice density.

This strain has vivid aromatic and flavour properties giving an incredibly powerful tropical fruit quality. THC production is good at 15%. The effect is very pleasant and is recommended for daily use as it's not too strong, being mildly sedative, and will suit those who do not want to be either couch-locked or to have too powerful a psycho-active experience.


I was kinda hoping the Somango would make for a good daytime medicine.


Journal Update!

So, the plants got their first nap in darkness today! For now they are getting a 20/4 schedule, mainly for convenience, and...it's time to introduce dark periods. How do I judge it so? Well, they're well past the seedling stage, and they have a healthy size that I'm happy with. I like to introduce the dark periods prior to stretch,it's just the way I've found that works well for me.
It's not a requirement, as autos can grow in 24hrs of light- it saves some electricity, and thus it will be dark during the warmest parts of the day. Speaking of warmth, like a breath of spring air, they're getting some warmer temps as I raised the temp to 25C. I expect them to take off and show some good growth very soon.


Day 24

Tent temp: 25C (raised)
Tent RH%: ~50-70%
Previous PPM: : 734 ppm
Current PPM: 727 PPM ( drop)
Adjusted PPM to: 741 PPM (raised)
PH: 6.1 (adjusted to 5.8)
Res temp: 20.2C
Water level: slight drop




Those are coming along quite nicely. Gorgeous. Your color is right on. Any chance of us seeing the roots anytime soon?
 
Looking like your going to end up with bushy girls rex. I reckon they will do you very proud when it comes time to harvest.
Thanks! I'm hoping so!
Yeah, that Banner is starting to get that head-of-lettuce look to it!
Kinda cabbage like :hmmmm: but I'm sure it's she'll come to
Those are coming along quite nicely. Gorgeous. Your color is right on. Any chance of us seeing the roots anytime soon?
Thanks Jon!
Nope, no root shots till the roots hit the run off pump, at that point they're around 5? feet long. Then of course when they finally come out of the bucket. Between the three grow bags there's 100L of hydroton, those bags stay in place till harvest. I'll be sure to remove the bags and show the roots at the end.
 
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