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This is a 20+% CBD called Blue Magnolia. Looks to be terpinolene dominant...
Blue Magnolia. photo: iHEMPx
Blue Magnolia. photo: iHEMPx
Quest for mold-resistant strains, Hawaii outdoor greenhouse grow
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!!!
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I think I will move this one my thread, so I don't accidentally hijack your thread. I hope that works for you.
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Wow... !This is a 20+% CBD called Blue Magnolia. Looks to be terpinolene dominant...
Blue Magnolia. photo: iHEMPx
I am broke at the minute, but the next time I buy Seeds, that one is probably on the list!
(Bookmarking webpage…)
GREAT find!
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I'm just looking into Harle-Tsu again... looks like it's also high in terpinolene. "myrcene, followed by pinene and terpinolene". Also verified with a Kannapedia terp profile...
It's described as a 50/50 hybrid, indica-dominant. CBD is probably commonly above 13%.
I'm inquiring with the original breeders, Southern Humboldt Seed Collective (sohumseeds). Regular seed. They say, "CBD levels can be up to 20%". ... if you can find the pheno
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Harle-Tsu. photo: Southern Humboldt Seed Collective.
It's described as a 50/50 hybrid, indica-dominant. CBD is probably commonly above 13%.
I'm inquiring with the original breeders, Southern Humboldt Seed Collective (sohumseeds). Regular seed. They say, "CBD levels can be up to 20%". ... if you can find the pheno
.Harle-Tsu. photo: Southern Humboldt Seed Collective.
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Reminiscing ~ Cookies Kush in my flower house, July 2022.
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From that High Times article that I linked above, about breeder Lawrence Ringo who pioneered high-CBD plants...
"[Lawrence's wife Hart] also added that the [high CBD, low THC] cultivars enhanced Ringo’s guitar playing in a way the high THC cultivars didn’t."
I vaped quite a lot of 15% Sweet Critical CBD last night before bed, picked up my ukulele, and started playing some really cool stuff. It felt like I was channeling it "from source" or whatever you'd like to call it.
It's funny, when I get in that mode I think to myself, damn I need to start recording this stuff. In my mind, I imagined that it was sort of a whole new genre of music. Well, I'm definitely gonna start recording one of these days! I got a plug-in uke so I could run it through an audio box connected to the computer and Ableton. I've got access to that equipment... just need to get busy.
"[Lawrence's wife Hart] also added that the [high CBD, low THC] cultivars enhanced Ringo’s guitar playing in a way the high THC cultivars didn’t."
I vaped quite a lot of 15% Sweet Critical CBD last night before bed, picked up my ukulele, and started playing some really cool stuff. It felt like I was channeling it "from source" or whatever you'd like to call it.
It's funny, when I get in that mode I think to myself, damn I need to start recording this stuff. In my mind, I imagined that it was sort of a whole new genre of music. Well, I'm definitely gonna start recording one of these days! I got a plug-in uke so I could run it through an audio box connected to the computer and Ableton. I've got access to that equipment... just need to get busy.
I have learned a lot following this discussion. Thanks.
As for CBD and mold resistance I can tell you that I have one strain (individual) that stands out. I believe it to be CBD Shark Shock from CBD Crew. A few years ago a friend ordered their "Indica Mix Pack" which was an assortment of their varieties that grow out to "1:1" ratio. Well, he planted the whole package at once and then didn't know what to do with them so he asked for help and I grew a couple. I took cuttings and have/keep clones. Based on what CBD CREW was selling for "1:1" plants and their descriptions, I am fairly sure that one is CBD Critical Mass and the other is CBD Shark Shock. I have preferred the CBD-Critical Mass and had some tested last year. I haven't gotten too close to the CBD-Shark Shock since it is stinky as hell; but it grows reliably and is a large rounded bush of dark green and, in flower, it makes large solid colas and buds that smell to high heaven. It was described as " a skunk sitting in a garlic patch" by someone. I think CBD Shark Shock is a high CBD plant crossed to Shark Shock which was a White Widow x Skunk #1. I don't know what makes it mold resistant; I will probably get around to having it tested when I have fresh buds this fall.
There is a lot to fungus/plant interactions. Friends or foes? Emerging insights from fungal interactions with plants
As for CBD and mold resistance I can tell you that I have one strain (individual) that stands out. I believe it to be CBD Shark Shock from CBD Crew. A few years ago a friend ordered their "Indica Mix Pack" which was an assortment of their varieties that grow out to "1:1" ratio. Well, he planted the whole package at once and then didn't know what to do with them so he asked for help and I grew a couple. I took cuttings and have/keep clones. Based on what CBD CREW was selling for "1:1" plants and their descriptions, I am fairly sure that one is CBD Critical Mass and the other is CBD Shark Shock. I have preferred the CBD-Critical Mass and had some tested last year. I haven't gotten too close to the CBD-Shark Shock since it is stinky as hell; but it grows reliably and is a large rounded bush of dark green and, in flower, it makes large solid colas and buds that smell to high heaven. It was described as " a skunk sitting in a garlic patch" by someone. I think CBD Shark Shock is a high CBD plant crossed to Shark Shock which was a White Widow x Skunk #1. I don't know what makes it mold resistant; I will probably get around to having it tested when I have fresh buds this fall.
There is a lot to fungus/plant interactions. Friends or foes? Emerging insights from fungal interactions with plants
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I bought a whole bunch of stuff from Top Tao thinking it would be mold resistant. (Maybe for an arid climate?)
They send a zillion free "Top Tao Auto Mixes". I do not know what to do with them. Some are 0.5m bushes, and some are 2m bushes, and you do not know until you grow. And with an auto, there is no way to clone...
Nice!
I am no expert on this but..... maybe there IS a way to clone autos ;-) Below I will link a paper I found about using Night Interrupt lighting to reset the Phytochrome clock and have the plants think they just had a very short night = a very long day as WE think of it. According to this article autos are simply photos with a VERY long day (short night) requirement to stay vegetative - a situation that does not occur naturally. But adding only a little light in the middle of the dark period accomplishes the task. In Florida and the southern US they can use this to allow autos to veg longer and get to a larger size before flowering, or keep photos vegetative. I don't know why this wouldn't work to allow cuttings of autos to stay vegetative and root. This whole past winter I kept my normal photos in a sunroom at 42N and had a "60W" LED bulb (9W actual) come on for 10min in the middle of the dark period and they stayed veggie just fine. (Growth was weak with dim winter natural light, but that is OK because I just want the mothers to make it to April to kick off some shoots to clone for summer gardening.) So... if you have autos, maybe it doesn't have to be a one shot thing. I have no autos to test this with.
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How supplemental lighting can be used for outdoor cannabis cultivation
As outdoor cannabis cultivation spreads across the U.S., growers are learning that supplemental lighting is necessary even with outdoor grows.
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How supplemental lighting can be used for outdoor cannabis cultivation
By Allison Justice
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(About using NI lighting to enable growing cannabis down in Florida where the days are too short and plants flower immediately. Also, days >17hr, or NI, can be used to keep Autos vegetative and growing to a larger size before flowering. (but then, why grow autos???))
Cheers!
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I look forward to reading it, but I have not read it yet. Right now I am taking a breather.
I can hypothetically do night interruption, but why would that be better than keeping them in 24/7? Because right now I have them in 24/7. Would I have to put them under 12/12+ a 10 minute night interruption?
I thought maybe I could respectfully write the breeder and ask him how I can do it woth unknown auto seeds.
If I could just scatter seeds in ground it would be different but that is not my climate here.
Exactly!
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I actually uncovered in my research that CBD Shark Shock is high in terpinolene, so thanks for the confirmation that it's mold/fungus resistant.
I think the terpinolene comes from the skunk genetics. It makes sense, because Skunk #1 is a cross of Afghani and both Mexican and Colombian sativas, so the terpinolene is coming from the sativas. Another example of this is Big Bud which also contains Skunk #1 in the lineage. It's interesting though, because the original, non-CBD Shark Shock has apparently 4 known phenos, and if you look online for the terpenes in Shark Shock, terpinolene isn't listed. What I'm guessing is that maybe one or two of the phenos have high terpinolene.
I'm personally not going for CBD Shark Shock, because it's a type 2 strain (1:1 CBD/THC), not a type 3 strain (high-CBD, THC < 1%). And I'm not too interested in Shark Shock (indica), either, because I'd rather not hunt through several phenos looking for the one(s) that are high in terpinolene. Instead, I'm going for Grand Daddy Purple and Atomic Northern Lights, both indica-dominant. Atomic is terpinolene dominant.
SIDE NOTE: Also on my radar screen as of today is the Golden Pineapple lineage (50/50), which contains Golden Goat and Island Sweet Skunk, all of which have high terpinolene, and are available as seeds. (Island Sweet Skunk contains genetics from Sweet Skunk, which contains Northern Lights #5 genetics, and additional sativa genetics. It's not the same lineage as Skunk #1, but nonetheless was named as a "skunk".) [EDIT: There may be some indica-dominant phenos somewhere in this lineage, but it's mostly looking like sativa-leaning and sativa effects.]
OK, so I've just realized that Skunk #1 and Northern Lights #5 are very similar – they are both crosses of Afghani indica and sativas from Mexico and Colombia. Both of these could be called "skunk" genetics. You could add to that as well, Orange Bud and Orange Velvet. All are "skunk", and it seems this is how terpinolene wound up in the early indica hybrids. And there are countless hybrids that have in their lineage these skunk genetics. (Trainwreck is another one based on Afghani and tropical sativas, although it's not known as "skunk". Perhaps part of the reason the name "skunk" took hold is because landrace Afghani indicas are known to have a skunky odor, which is from thiols and not terpenes.)
Another one on my list for acquiring seed is Agent Orange, which has Orange Velvet in its lineage.
It's really starting to crystalize for me... in order to have high terpinolene in an indica, you need to cross landrace indica with landrace sativa, thereby bringing in the terpinolene from the sativa. This is what's represented in the original skunks. And then, this high-terpinolene trait is passed on in further hybrids that have the original skunk prominent in the lineage. But the farther away you get genetically from the original skunk, then the less likely will be the appearance of this high-terpinolene trait. [EDIT: Or to put it another way, the terpinolene fades to the background.]
But there's something subtle also going on here, I think. And that is... a terpene profile with high terpinolene often also shows high amounts of the other pine terpenes: pinene, terpinene, and ocimene. The catch is, if these are all in high enough amounts, in contrast to the non-pine terpenes, then the effects will be sativa effects. So there is a mysterious case in which terpinolene can appear in the profile, yet the effects will still be indica effects.
Let's look at two examples: Agent Orange (sativa) and Grand Daddy Purple (indica)...
Agent Orange terp profile:
Here we see: Terpinolene at 0.40% and total pine terps at 1.75%; Total non-pine terps 1.3%.**
Grand Daddy Purple terp profile:
Here we see: Terpinolene at 0.28% and total pine terps at 0.5%; Total non-pine terps 4.7%.**
(**Note: I am using the following as representative of pine terps: terpinolene, terpinene, and ocimene. I'm using these as representative of non-pine terps: beta-caryophyllene, limonene, myrcene, and humulene.)
For the sativa-dominant Agent Orange, the ratio of pine/non-pine is: 1.75/1.3 = 1.35
For the indica-dominant GDP, the ratio of non-pine/pine is 4.7/0.50 = 9.4
So, we could say that Agent Orange is weakly sativa (or "sativa leaning"), whereas GDP is strongly indica.
So, GDP is one of these cases... "mysterious case in which terpinolene can appear in the profile, yet the effects will still be indica effects."
Let's look at one more sativa-dominant, the Slymer cut of Chernobyl (aka Golden Ticket)...
Here we see: Terpinolene at 0.25% and total pine terps at 1.0%; Total non-pine terps 0.35%.
the ratio of pine/non-pine is: 1.0/0.35 = 2.86
So, we could say that Slymer is strongly sativa, or "sativa dominant". (Compare to Agent Orange above.)
Let's look at one more indica-dominant... White Widow x Big Bud...
Here we see: Terpinolene at 0.13% and total pine terps at 0.22%; Total non-pine terps 0.82%.
the ratio of non-pine/pine is 0.82/0.13 = 6.3
This is another example of a strongly indica pheno that contains significant terpinolene, but not as much as Grand Daddy Purple. (I'm guessing Big Bud contains more terpinolene. I think we can safely say the terpinolene probably isn't coming from White Widow.)
And another "mysterious case in which terpinolene can appear in the profile, yet the effects will still be indica effects."
Note also that pinene is completely absent. I think it's very interesting that terpinolene is the dominant pine terpene here. The rest of the pine terpenes are down to very low levels, and pinene is completely absent. Strangely, Big Bud is known for it's pinene content.
For now, I'll end this line of inquiry here...
terp profile for Island Sweet Skunk (pheno)...
Caryophyllene: 0.211%
Humulene: 0.108%
Limonene : 0.069%
Linalool : 0.058%
Myrcene : 0.607%
Terpinolene : 0.564%
Pinene : 0.144%
b-Pinene : 0.119%
Here we see: Terpinolene at 0.56% and total pine terps at 0.83%; Total non-pine terps 1%.
the ratio of non-pine/pine is 1.00/0.83 = 1.2
It's similar to Agent Orange... pine/non-pine is: 1.75/1.3 = 1.35
but whereas the above Island Sweet Skunk pheno seems to lean toward indica, the Agent Orange leans toward sativa.
Island Sweet Skunk is known as a strong sativa. So, what's going on here? Is this an indica-leaning pheno of Island Sweet Skunk? Or is the strong presence of terpinolene and pinene causing the sativa effects?
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Yeah, I've been using night interruption for years and it works great. This is specifically for photoperiod plants, and prevents them from going into flower. This technique will not stop true autoflowering cannabis from flowering. Yes, there is a strange category called semi-autoflowering which I actually don't fully understand. To me, it's a latent trait in which a photoperiod plant will show a tendency to go into flower, but perhaps not fully into flower, even though it's flowering hormones are "reset" by lighting. This may occur in one pheno of a strain and not another pheno. I've actually seen this in my grow.
As for the article you linked, I don't think the author is suggesting that night interruption can cause true autoflowering cannabis from flowering. It can't. I think she's talking about another meaning of "semi-autoflowering" in which plants grown at northern latitudes (for example, Denver, Colorado), will immediately go into flower, year round, unless they are provided with night interruption lighting (or daylight extension lighting). I can relate to this here in Hawaii, because this is what happens at our latitude with basically all photoperiod cannabis. Our natural dark period never drops below 10.5 hours, year round, so plants will go into flower immediately when they are sexually mature. In Denver, the dark period drops to 9 hours at the beginning of summer (plants don't flower), and doesn't get above 10 hours until mid to late August (plants will flower). So, I think the author is talking about genetics that mimic what we have here in Hawaii – the plants only need maybe 7 or 8 hours of darkness in order to naturally transition to flowering, meaning they will flower year round (hence "autoflowering"). This allows for multiple crops in one year, and the size/health of the plants will depend on the amount of sunlight they get. Here in Hawaii, I have multiple harvests year round, but the best are in the spring and summer months when our solar exposure is strongest (sun is overhead).
Thanks for sharing... it's the first I've heard of this type of "semi-autoflowering" genetics. Maybe "quasi-autoflowering" would be a better name.
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One more...
Here's a terp profile for the C4 strain, which is generally known as a 50/50 that's indica-leaning...
Here we see: Terpinolene at 3.27% and total pine terps at 7.73%; Total non-pine terps 4.5%.
the ratio of pine/non-pine is 7.73/4.5 = 1.72
So, I can say a similar thing as I said above about Island Sweet Skunk, but flipped around...
C4 is known as indica leaning. So, what's going on here? Is this a sativa-leaning pheno of C4? Or is the strong presence of myrcene and the other non-pine terpenes causing the indica effects?
I vote that the above terp profile for C4 is for a sativa-leaning pheno!
As for the Island Sweet Skunk (ISS), I vote the terp profile is for an indica-leaning pheno. This is a tough call, because apparently there may be 3 phenotypes, with 2 of them being sativas. The third is mysterious, but I found one reference to a "Skunk #1" phenotype of ISS. AllBud wrote this about Skunk #1...
"This is an indica-dominant strain (35:65 sativa/indica ratio) best used late in the day. Though it comes with a head buzz that belies its indica genes, Skunk #1 also provides deep-body relaxation. The head high is energetic and creative, while the body high is peaceful and soothing."
Here's that Island Sweet Skunk terp profile one more time...
Caryophyllene: 0.211%
Humulene: 0.108%
Limonene : 0.069%
Linalool : 0.058%
Myrcene : 0.607%
Terpinolene : 0.564%
Pinene : 0.144%
b-Pinene : 0.119%
Terpinolene at 0.56% and total pine terps at 0.83%; Total non-pine terps 1%.
the ratio of non-pine/pine is 1.00/0.83 = 1.2
I view this as a 50/50 pheno with both indica and sativa effects at the same time! Possibly Agent Orange, the same.
But not Grand Daddy Purple w/ terpinolene at 0.28%, or White Widow x Big Bud with terpinolene at 0.13%. These are definitely indica-leaning with indica effects. That's my take on it.
I'd really like to see a terpene profile for Atomic Northern Lights, but unfortunately I can't find one.
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I happened across the Phylos cannabis genetics database again, and found that indeed Skunk #1 and Northern Lights #5 are classified as having mostly skunk genetics. (Skunk #1 is considered the Original Skunk, "created in the late 1970s from Afghani Indica, Acapulco Gold Mexican Sativa and Colombian Gold Sativa"). Afghani has mostly skunk genetics. Orange Velvet and Trainwreck have prominent skunk genetics. Add to these, Cinderella 99, White Widow, and Jack Herer – all have mostly skunk genetics, especially Cinderella 99. Skunk #1 has the lowest level of genetic variation, by far, indicating that it's a stable breeding line.
According to the Phylos data, it seems that Afghani and Hindu Kush tend to be classified as mostly "skunk" (rather than "landrace"), while Nepal is consider mostly "landrace". This is a bit odd, because "Afghanistan" (i.e. Afghani Indica) is what was used, along with the Mexican and Colombian sativas to create the Original Skunk #1, and Phylos doesn't classify "Afghanistan" as predominantly "landrace". According to their data, Nepal is the most "landrace" indica (that I can see), while Gold Colombian (Colombian Gold) and Thai Stick are the most pure landrace sativas. (I couldn't find a more "landrace" indica strain than Nepal in the database. For more info about the subtleties of landrace genetics, I posted about this in January of this year, HERE.)
Well, I just wanted to point out here that the Original Skunk is a foundational indica hybrid whose genes are found in a great many cannabis strains. So much so, it seems to me that it has sort of replaced the indica landraces, since it's much more genetically stable. (Obviously many strains have been developed by direct crosses with Afghani and other indica landraces.)
So, when I said "Afghani has mostly skunk genetics", it really means: Skunk #1 derived a lot of its genetics from Afghani, and so, Afghani is now identified as mostly Skunk. Skunk took over!
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Next up... I found out some exciting new information about Harle-Tsu CBD, terpinolene, and cutting-edge high-CBD type 3 cannabis. And seeds are available!
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You got me looking into Harlequin again.
It is interesting because it is made for high elevation (where I am), and this strain works for me.
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Harlequin-
Harlequin is one phenotype of a plant bred to produce hashish. The genes are 75% sativa and 25 % indica. The Sativas include an early-1970s Columbian Gold, a Thai from the mountains near Laos, and a Swiss native land race that was bred for consumption of cattle. The Indica is from Nepal's Mustang state. These are all high-elevation plants..."
I do not know if you saw it, but BC Bud Depot carries Harlequin BX4. I am sure one of the sponsors carries it.
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I'll write more about Harle-Tsu tonight... gotta go out and plant a White Window clone in 10 gal.
Here's some info on Harlequin's origins...
The strain was created by Mr. Green in San Francisco "around 2010", but there's precious little on the web about him.
Harlequin is one of the first one-to-one, type 2 strains created in the U.S. The High Times May 2010 issue had a one-page article about Mr. Green and his House of David cannabis cooperative in San Francisco. The article's author, Nico Escondido wrote...
"This month we're featuring a particular caregiver from the San Francisco Bay Area, a cooperative known as the House of David (or HOD for short), whose whole approach (and, of course, product!) is an excellent model for medical-marijuana cultivators everywhere. At the HOD, plants are treated as sacred and the facility as a sanctuary. But what's most impressive is the philosophy employed by the HOD's proprietor, Mr. Green, whose intense interest in his gardens puts the plants first—even over money. ••• At the HOD, the biggest interest is in unlocking the mysteries and fullest potential of this magical plant. And much to Mr. Green's credit, he's not afraid to try anything once—which includes strategies grounded in science and technology as well as ideas that are a bit more experimental."
Also in 2010, Lawrence Ringo of the Southern Humboldt Seed Collective created one of the other first type 2 strains in the U.S., Sour Tsunami...
"Ringo bred the Sour Tsunami by crossing NYC Diesel to Sour Diesel for about four years, constantly crossing it back to a Sour Diesel clone. Then he crossed the results, which he dubbed Double Diesel, to a local, sativa-dominant strain called Ferrari, and then recrossed that back to Sour Diesel to produce the Sour Tsunami, which is 60% sativa and matures after nine weeks into musky buds with sweet undertones."
Lawrence Ringo would go on to create Harle-Tsu, one of the first type 3 strains, by crossing the two pioneering type 2 strains, Harlequin and Sour Tsunami...
"Our best CBD strain currently available. A Harle-Tsu has won Highest CBD award at the Emerald Cup in both 2012, and 2013. For a CBD variety it grows like an indica, short, stout and sweet. Originally Sour Tsunami male and Harlequin clone; this generation is Harle-tsu X Harle-tsu. Testing on this generation is showing almost 100% chance of being CBD rich! CBD levels can be up to 20%, with up to a 20 to 1 ratio of CBD to THC."
Here's some info on Harlequin's origins...
The strain was created by Mr. Green in San Francisco "around 2010", but there's precious little on the web about him.
Harlequin is one of the first one-to-one, type 2 strains created in the U.S. The High Times May 2010 issue had a one-page article about Mr. Green and his House of David cannabis cooperative in San Francisco. The article's author, Nico Escondido wrote...
"This month we're featuring a particular caregiver from the San Francisco Bay Area, a cooperative known as the House of David (or HOD for short), whose whole approach (and, of course, product!) is an excellent model for medical-marijuana cultivators everywhere. At the HOD, plants are treated as sacred and the facility as a sanctuary. But what's most impressive is the philosophy employed by the HOD's proprietor, Mr. Green, whose intense interest in his gardens puts the plants first—even over money. ••• At the HOD, the biggest interest is in unlocking the mysteries and fullest potential of this magical plant. And much to Mr. Green's credit, he's not afraid to try anything once—which includes strategies grounded in science and technology as well as ideas that are a bit more experimental."
Also in 2010, Lawrence Ringo of the Southern Humboldt Seed Collective created one of the other first type 2 strains in the U.S., Sour Tsunami...
"Ringo bred the Sour Tsunami by crossing NYC Diesel to Sour Diesel for about four years, constantly crossing it back to a Sour Diesel clone. Then he crossed the results, which he dubbed Double Diesel, to a local, sativa-dominant strain called Ferrari, and then recrossed that back to Sour Diesel to produce the Sour Tsunami, which is 60% sativa and matures after nine weeks into musky buds with sweet undertones."
Lawrence Ringo would go on to create Harle-Tsu, one of the first type 3 strains, by crossing the two pioneering type 2 strains, Harlequin and Sour Tsunami...
"Our best CBD strain currently available. A Harle-Tsu has won Highest CBD award at the Emerald Cup in both 2012, and 2013. For a CBD variety it grows like an indica, short, stout and sweet. Originally Sour Tsunami male and Harlequin clone; this generation is Harle-tsu X Harle-tsu. Testing on this generation is showing almost 100% chance of being CBD rich! CBD levels can be up to 20%, with up to a 20 to 1 ratio of CBD to THC."
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These buds are noticeably higher in terpenes than other grows of this pheno, which I think explains the unexpected super bud rot resistance. I've been vaping this now and getting some nice effects, and maybe even a little high from it, but possibly because of eating mangoes. We have two trees producing a lot of mangoes right now.
My #9 pheno of Cherry Blossom, harvested May 22.
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I've got lots to share, but let's start here...
Well, yesterday I found just the opposite of the above... there are many CBD type 3 strains that are high in terpinolene. I found a website that sells CBD flower, and they have about 85 type-3 strains. They provide complete cannabinoid and terpene profiles for each strain, showing the lab test results for both (looks like most were 2022/2023 lab tests). I found that a whopping 14% of these strains showed either terpinolene dominant, or high terpinolene. In addition, these are all strains that show above 14% CBD. Half of the strains were created by Oregon CBD of Corvallis, Oregon, which I mentioned recently in my quick review of the history of high-CBD type 3 strains. Three of the strains were created by East Fork Cultivars, near Takilma, Oregon, not far from the California border. Some or all of those 3 were created in conjunction with Infinite Tree, near Williams, Oregon. One of the strains was from High Alpine Genetics in Colorado. (I couldn't determine the source for 2 of the strains.)
Then I found another website tonight of a farm in Jacksonville, OR, selling 13 different strains of CBD flower. Four of those strains were ones I already saw on the above mentioned website. Of the 8 other strains from the Jacksonville farm, only one has high terpinolene, and that one is Blue Magnolia. (I have seen more than one terpene profile for Blue Magnolia, and it appears not all phenos have high terpinolene. I can say the same for Blue Orchid.)
So, Oregon CBD is the star of the show when it comes to high-CBD strains and terpinolene. Both their Sour Hawaiian Haze and Sour Brulee are terpinolene-dominant strains. Sour Hawaiian Haze has sativa effects, while Sour Brulee is described as a well-balanced 50/50 hybrid. Their Sour Candy Kush is high in terpinolene, and is described as indica-dominant. One terp profile (pheno) for Oregon CBD's Lifter strain showed over 20% CBD and terpinolene in the top 3 terpenes. Lifter is described as a well-balanced 50/50 with sativa effects. One terp profile for their Sour Space Candy showed terpinolene off the charts! Sour Space Candy is described as a well-balanced 50/50 hybrid. Finally, Oregon CBD's Hawaiian Haze showed one terp profile with terpinolene dominant, and is described as sativa-dominant.
Honorable mention must be given also to East Fork Cultivars for their Pineapple Kush CBD and Sour Pineapple CBD which are both terpinolene dominant. The Pineapple Kush is described as indica-leaning, and the Sour Pineapple is a 50/50 hybrid. Both come in around 15% CBD, but I'm guessing some phenos could be higher.
Oregon CBD lays claim to the "first terpinolene dominant CBD variety", and in 2020, and updated in 2021, they have 4 strains with terpinolene dominant -or- high terpinolene: Sour Elektra, Sour Hawaiian Haze, Sour Special Sauce, and Super Sour Space Candy. This was achieved by breeding with a terpinolene-dominant Gorilla Glue #4, which is sativa-dominant but has strong indica effects. (I looked online for any sign of a terp profile for GG4 with high terpinolene... couldn't find one.)
So, I'm super interested in these Oregon CBD high-terpinolene strains, and I found very affordable seeds for sale for Sour Hawaiian Haze (sativa) and Sour Brulee (50/50). I also found seeds for East Fork's Pineapple Kush (indica-leaning) and Sour Pineapple (50/50). All of these have terpinolene-dominant phenos. Seeds for the following are more expensive, but available: Lifter (50/50 w/ sativa effects), Sour Space Candy (50/50), and Hawaiian Haze (sativa).
Next up... I'll look into the lineages of the above amazing terpinolene-dominant CBD strains, and come full circle to the legendary Sour Tsunami and Harle-Tsu. I'll take a brief look at ACDC and Cannatonic, and the mysterious Early Resin Berry (ERB).