Producing Feminized Seeds Using Colloidal Silver

[Granny420]

I really appreciate your helpful explanation of sexing(not to be confused with sexting), I'll have to look into it more, because all of those growths looked the same to me.
On another note; I really don't understand this phrase when people use it. It's easy to say "keep it simple" when you have your setup dialed in, and know what issues to respond to quickly, and what will resolve itself, but that only comes with experience. Without being attentive to every problem, and getting advice when needed, how do we know WHEN to keep it simple? If you really believe in keeping it simple, then I'd take that as; throw some bag seed in a pot filled with yard soil, water with plain tap water using only whatever sunlight is available. If this is not your definition of simple, then it becomes a more complicated issue of what is simple, and what is complicated; is a 2-part chemical nutrient program not simple enough? what if I use only 2 additives as well? what if I use a whole system of nutes and additives? Are CFL's simple, and HID's complicated? Where is the line drawn? I hope I'm not coming off as a smart-@$$, just trying to get thought going on what we're really saying(like when you go to a store, and they say "thanks for your purchase", and we shoot back a knee-jerk "you too".). If you weren't "over-loving" your plants by constantly checking on their status, you might not have noticed the over-watering, and if you weren't as proactive in finding a solution (over-watering often looks like other problems to the inexperienced, I've heard), you might have lost everything - So I take the same situation, and say congrats for NOT keeping it simple and easy!

SauronBlue

Sexing (not sexting! lol)... get yourself a good jewelers loupe (10x, 20x, or 30x) and you can then view the node areas on your plants up close. This is also a wonderful tool to have for viewing the THC crystals to know when to harvest in the end. Watch the node areas and you will see these changes when they happen on your plants.

As for keep it simple... lol... yes... this can be a very trying thing to hear and I just left a message in YOUR journal before returning here and seeing you had posted this message. I think I gave a bit better advice and made clearer what I meant when I said (quoted from what I wrote in your journal)
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I forgot to add a link to this article in 420magazine:
https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/cannabis-plant-pest-problem-solver-pictorial.81266/Cannabis Plant and Pest Problem Solver - Pictorial

The only words of advice I will give BEFORE you visit is... DON'T OVER THINK OR OVER DO!!! This article has a ton of images, with some damage looking very similar to others. If you are POSITIVE of the problem, go for a treatment... but if you are UNSURE - do NOT. Treatments can easily KILL YOUR PLANT if it is not the correct treatment. But this pictorial problem solver was sure a help to me - I was OVER watering in the beginning and almost killed off a bunch of plants... but this helped me figure it out and I babied those lil gals back to excellent results too.

Keep it SIMPLE. We watch our girls and have such LOVE and PRIDE in seeing them grow... sometimes we watch and puff puff puff puff... we start getting these ideas rolling that this or that would be helpful... so we do it (especially beginning growers)... and a few days later - UGH!!! So.. anything different you do - do sparingly (especially nutes) until you are sure of how the plant is reacting.
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Anyhoo... I think that said what I meant and hope it helps the Keep It Simple words. You are right - if you do nothing, sometimes that kills the plant... and sometimes if you do something and it is wrong, it kills the plant. EEEK!!!! Yes, it makes it pretty difficult to know what keeping it simple means!!! For me - I like to research (read a LOT) about anything new I am going to try... just like I did before trying this Colloidal Silver journal. I'd bet money that I do some things wrong here too ... I will learn as I go and I hope all reading it will learn right along with me! I keep hoping a CS guru will come guide me if I'm doing something wrong... but so far... none have come forward.

I guess experience is the best answer for you - do what you feel is right and you'll do just as all of us have done = learn from those mistakes! I still do dumb things at times to my grow... but it sounded so GOOD!!! LOL... and then there are new things I do that are very beneficial in the end... so yes, it is hard to know what simple is.

 

[Granny420]

Going to do this myself. A few questions though. I have this awesome plant I want to make fem seeds from. Will the seeds made by using CS create plants exactly like the original plant like clones are? Could I do a grow using seeds and expect little variation among the plants? I think I will do two clones and do the partial plant experiment on one to polinate both clones. Should I start spraying as soon as I see preflowers, say around day 7-10 of 12/12? This plant is a non auto flower with an A grade in all aspects and I would like to save her in seed form before the clones "run out" of vigor. Plant has been cloned for generations over 3 years.

Dr.RedWhite

Hi honey! Don't know if I can answer all questions, but here goes...

Will the seeds create plants exactly like the original? The seeds will have the genetic genes of both parent plants. If there is only one parent plant (one plant used to make seed), the seeds will have that one genetic profile. If there are two plants involved and both are clones from the same plant, again, the seed should have that one parent's genetics because they should have the same genetics as the mother.

If two plants are used (such as from 2 seeds - or 2 clones from different parents), the seeds created will have the genetics of both parent plants and there may be more variety for this reason. But this may also be an F1 generation with all plants being similar to each other - but I'm NOT sure. I believe the second generation (breeding the seeds you create with each other) creates a huge variety in the seedlings because then you get into recessive and dominant traits, etc and there is a multitude of mixtures in that second generation (F2) - but I am in no way an expert of breeding and genetics.

Regardless - even clones from the same mother can grow differently from each other. They have the exact same genetics, but environmental factors, etc play a part in how each individual plant grows.

As for when to begin spraying a non-auto, please review the intro info on page one of my journal to assure you understand the process and especially the safety precautions. For non-auto plants, it is recommended to begin spraying the day you put them into 12/12 - no, you do not wait for pre-flowers. I feel like non-autos should be the easiest - I'll find out cuz I have 2 non-autos started! And GOOD LUCK TO YOU TOO!!!

So good to see others have an interest in this subject! for visiting!!! Please keep in touch here and let me know how you progress with your own experiment! I'd love to hear how anyone and everyone does with their own CS treatments!!! I'm still learning myself!!

 

[Granny420]

Just got done editing, saving, and uploading the rest of the girls images for updates... but ran out of time for this day. Will be back tomorrow with them!

 

[Granny420]

UPDATE: AUTO HIMALAYA BLUE DIESEL, DAY 10

As done with the others, I will include earlier pics to help show growth, progress, damage, etc for comparison.

This plant was BEGUN by spraying only the bottom half (unlike a couple earlier that I began spraying the top and have now changed). Thus, the top portion of this plant has NOT been treated.

Auto Himalaya Blue Diesel: Day 2 Colloidal Spray Treatment (Day 25 from seed)

Auto Himalaya Blue Diesel: Day 10 Colloidal Spray Treatment...

You can see above in comparison, that this plant's top area has continued to grow quite nicely due to not being sprayed.

Next is a pic of the UNtreated top of this plant...

Definitely budding - hopefully in preparation for pollen from the bottom of this plant!

Next is an image of growth in the lower portion (CS treated). You can see the CS spray is hard on the leaves, curling them (seen on all sprayed plants).

NOTE THE CHANGES IN THE NEXT CLOSEUPS - IT IS THE FIRST CLEAR CHANGES I CAN SEE THAT THINGS ARE CHANGING FOR THIS PLANT AND GETTING CLOSE TO BEING ABLE TO STOP SPRAYING THIS PLANT...

Here is a closeup of bud changes. It is very hard to get close images of these changes (very magnified), and it was the best I could do for pics... but it will *hopefully* give you an idea of what to look for... I tried to get a good pic - but it is real difficult at this early stage.

You can see (above) the damages that CS also causes to the plant... but when you look real close at the inside of this bud, it is not shooting out hairs - instead it is beginning to form female pollen sacs (circled below in the same pic).

Thus - I believe this will be the first plant I get to STOP spraying ... but not yet... not until I am positive of female pollen sacs.

GO HBD!!!

Will be back with another (only 3 more to go!).

 

[Granny420]

UPDATE: AUTO MAZAR, DAY 6 (pics say day 10, which is an error)

Auto Mazar: Day 1 Colloidal Spray Treatment (Day 29 from seed)

Auto Mazar: Day 6 Colloidal Spray Treatment (the pic says day 10 - but that is an error - this plant was started on 11/3 and pic was taken yesterday.)

Here is her top (NOT CS treated)... which includes preflowers...

And here is a lower CS treated area...

Not much action on this plant yet (last one started).

This is the last of the auto-flowering plants for updates. Will be back with the NON-auto strains...

 

[Granny420]

NON-AUTO STRAINS BOTH INCLUDED HERE...

UPDATE: PINEAPPLE CHUNK, DAY 7

Pineapple Chunk: Day 1 Start Colloidal Spray Treatment (clone put to 12/12 this day)

Pineapple Chunk: Day 7 Colloidal Spray Treatment

Pineapple Chunk: Pre-flower (I add these to show she IS a girl)

UPDATE: LADYBURN, DAY 7

Ladyburn: Day 1 Start Colloidal Spray Treatment (clone put to 12/12 this day)

Ladyburn: Day 7 Colloidal Spray Treatment

Ladyburn: Damage and small preflower...

That's it outta me for updates! Take care everyone!

 

[R2MNot]

Thanks for the update granny!
I got my bottle of magic juice in the mail the other day.
Still waiting for a worthy victim to come off the clone table before I start.
I think I will do the half and half method you have outlined above

 

[BigIrishDoode]

so i had a couple thoughts, if you did cs on the top of the plant perhaps the pollen would just fall onto lower untreated branches making it slightly self pollinating? you might be able to isolate the plant and after pollen is visible give the plant a little tap n shake and let gravity do the work? i got this idea cuz i had some plants herm and thats pretty much what happened, i love what your doing here creating and sharing such useful info! advancing the art!

 

[OG13]

Hey Granny, what setup are you using for the extreme closeups? They look great.

 

[Dr.Blue]

After reading fully it seems easy enough. Ordering my silver soon from the place you suggested.

 

[Granny420]

Thanks for the update granny!
I got my bottle of magic juice in the mail the other day.
Still waiting for a worthy victim to come off the clone table before I start.
I think I will do the half and half method you have outlined above

R2MNot

for the interest, honey!

I am hoping the half and half method works. I have a feeling the flowers are going to be quite far along which means they will be pollinating late - hopefully they will have time to create viable seed. I figure the female in waiting for some of the autos is just as far along, so what the heck! That's why I changed my method on the two others I split in half late.

So wonderful to see you!

 

[Granny420]

so i had a couple thoughts, if you did cs on the top of the plant perhaps the pollen would just fall onto lower untreated branches making it slightly self pollinating? you might be able to isolate the plant and after pollen is visible give the plant a little tap n shake and let gravity do the work? i got this idea cuz i had some plants herm and thats pretty much what happened, i love what your doing here creating and sharing such useful info! advancing the art!

Irish!

Hi honey!

The reason I am doing the bottom is three fold.

1. When I spray, gravity is already at work cuz it mists and drips downward on the plant. You would somehow have to cover the lower portion to keep it from getting wet... and you'd have to keep it covered until the top is dry cuz it drips. By spraying the bottom, this has not been a problem.
2. When making seed, I ?believe? it is best NOT to seed the lower portion of the plant because it doesn't always develop enough to make viable seeds... at least I read that and that sounds sound.
3. By growing the top out, I am hoping to encourage the flowering, since it usually begins at the top and matures downward. I thought it might encourage the lil hummers to turn faster/easier. Also, like for the Auto Widow Ryder strain, I went back in and read it flowers at 6 to 9 nodes of growth and gets taller... so I believe I started it too soon. That's why I changed that plant to a 50/50 after already spraying for a number of days. Hopefully the healthy untreated upper area will get to the right stage now.

Great to see ya Irish!!

 

[R2MNot]

I have a feeling the flowers are going to be quite far along which means they will be pollinating late

Good point. Might be better to bring in the girls after the freaky cross dressers come out of the closet

 

[Granny420]

Hey Granny, what setup are you using for the extreme closeups? They look great.

OG13

Hi Honey!!

First, my camera allows me to save very large image files. I have it set for the highest pixel settings I can. Then, it also allows me to do 3 types of macros. The finest of those settings allows me to adjust the distance all the way down to 1mm. I get resin on my camera cuz I get that lens right in there. With the closeups, I have to also use a flash and I have the light setting set to one that takes the yellow out of the HPS lights (most of the time). Everyone should find their macro settings on their cameras - cuz it's a wonderful feature.

Next, I take a crap load of pictures!!! Cuz for each good one, there are usually a number of blurry or not good lighting pics.

Then I use Paint Shop Pro to open the original pic file. PSP has a rectangular tool which allows me to mark out the section of the pic I am interested in (like cropping almost), copy it, and paste it as a new image. This is much of the key. Since I save my images on my camera as very large, detailed (many pixels) files, I am able to copy/paste small areas of the original pic which end up being extreme closeup shots and a separate picture in the end. I have to resize (smaller) all images before I save them - cuz otherwise they would be much larger than 420 allows for size.

That's my process. Don't know if it will make sense to folks not familiar with their camera settings, or how to edit images. I wish I knew more about what PSP does - cuz it has a lot of features... but I mainly just use what I need for my purposes and haven't learned the rest. I also use it to add things like the circles and text I have added to a few pics.

Hope that helps!!!

 

[Granny420]

After reading fully it seems easy enough. Ordering my silver soon from the place you suggested.

Dr.RedWhite

Hi Honey! So glad yer joinin' the experiment here!

Don't know if you'd ever be interested in making your own CS down the road - but keep in mind many do and Irish (BigIrishDoode) has written an article on how to create your own. He is one of the many who use it as a nutritional supplement, as well as for many other uses. There's a link to the info in his signature if anyone is interested.

For me, I just wanna keep it simple... so I paid someone else to make it for me. *cheat cheat*

I hope you, and anyone else who tries this feels free to give us updates in here!!! The purpose of this journal is to learn and share. So glad to have you on board!

 

[Granny420]

Good point. Might be better to bring in the girls after the freaky cross dressers come out of the closet

I figure I'll freeze the extra pollen... so if it is too late for pollination, I can use it at a later date when I have a female ready.

 

[Granny420]

AUTO KUSH POSSIBLE MALE INSTEAD OF FEM...

The only Auto Kush I have in this experiment is the only plant thus far to show me what definitely looks like male pre-flowers. I saw a second one today (didn't get a pic).

This was supposed to be a feminized seed... but I am now questioning if it is a female at all. I did spray the upper portion of this plant for 8 days, this is where I saw the first one (put a pic in yesterday of this growth, but it is still very young). Today, I saw a second one in the lower portion of the plant - and it definitely looks like male pre-flower/area growth.

It could possibly be from the spray, but since every single plant before this to show sex has shown female pre-flowers... I guess this ASSURES me it is a female plant when I SEE pre-flowers. Thus, I am really questioning the sex of this plant. I don't have a female in waiting (that I believe will survive anyway) for this plant... so if the top doesn't flower I will take it as a strong indication it is a male and the seed will be regular seed, not feminized. Either way, I will collect pollen to freeze and I am going to cross this one with an Auto Cream Caramel (Caramel Kush sounds good to me!).

I guess I won't really know until seeds from the pollen grow out. I have not used CS accept on one auto flowering plant before this, so I do not know if occasionally the CS causes the plant's preflowers to be male shaped. Maybe this is what happens when you begin spraying early enough?

I DON'T KNOW... and if anyone visits this journal that does know - please speak up! Otherwise... the answer for this one will be unknown until seeds are grown and sexed.

 

[NorCaliwood]

Your guess is as good as mine. I wonder if you need to wait till she starts flowering before you start treatments? I'm just talking out my neck. One day I need to read this thread end to end. I will to, if all works like you plan. I don't know if I ever care to start breeding seed anymore, but if I do I sure want to grow fem seed. I have a good strain here I'd love to work into fem seed. The vendor doesn't believe in fem she says fem isn't good to start your stock with. Thus all they have are reg seed. These people are way into genetics. They have a pilot plant they claim flowers in 28, didn't st udder, 28 days. Something like that could turn the MMJ world on its head. Well Granny I hope this finds ya well and your gardens green. Keep em Green

 

[NorCaliwood]

That stuff sure looks ruff on the plants. GL Granny and I'll be tuned in TC

 

[Siscokid]

Doing a bang up job keeping the journal flowing with info and your bubbly persona.. I think Sonzor did a CS xpermint a year ago, it got me interested but now I'm even thinking about it more. Wish you lots of seeds and buds!