Plushberry Clones In Soil

[Kriaze]

Hey Medfarmerf, I've stopped in on your journals a couple of times in the past, very interesting. I have no problems with my Mars II 1600w, I was more disappointed at being told that the LED's aren't green more than anything. But these Reflectors just seem so weak in comparison, the plant never really adjusted to it and I did everything by the book, lowering it a couple of inches every few days. There again I've seen some reasonable grows from the Reflector series too, arellanobrian was quite happy with his grow under a 144x5w. My problem is that I'm quite volatile, if I try to have a discussion with a manufacturer (I used to have to do this a lot when I was importing inks, CD's, DVD's and computer components for my company) and I feel that they are being dishonest with me I have no hesitation on pulling the plug with said manufacturer. All obstacles can be overcome between a company and their customers, but if you rest on your laurels just because of public opinion being in your favour it won't last, public opinion is fickle to say the least.

Like I said I enjoy the Mars Hydro 1600w (I bought this as I saw CoFinest using one), but I definitely won't be purchasing any more. A company going so fas as to ask you to reveal your photograph's EXIF information in public is a pisstake. That only ever happens once. I already have my next purchases in mind and I'll either be going for the Advanced XTE series or the Budmaster GOD. Expensive, but as they say about Stella Artois (not a fan of wifebeater ale lol), reassuringly so. All the best

 

[MedFarmer]

Well, those warm white LEDs look green to me. And, she did look very pitiful. Probably a combination of PH problems and the plant adjusting to the LED's.

I don't use LED's but From my reading it seems that there is a better transition to LED flowering stage if you use LED in VEG. I don't know anything about the MARS but... Can you use any of the MARS in your VEG room? If so it may help the transition form VEG to flower if you plan on sticking with LED.

Best of luck

I now put seedlings that have their first set of true leaves under LED and they grow fine from there.

 

[Kriaze]

Hey hello Scarfinger, I did actually use the Reflectors halfway through veg, then when I realised that the plants were having issues with the lights instead of backing off and putting them under HPS I made a foolish mistake of investing more money in a different LED from Mars Hydro (the Mars II 1600w) which seems much more effective for growing in comparison. The plants seemed more vibrant and prayed to the light with the Mars II.

I literally feel that the 96X3 just does not output enough, and it would be hard for me to fit an extra one. Oh well c'est la vie, I will learn from my mistake. Best wishes to you and yours, all the best

 

[UncleCannabis]

Hey UncleCannabis. I still have the Mars II 1600w flowering the two girls in the other tent and they're doing fine apart from the buds not being as full at this stage as they were in my last grow, even with the problems I had with that one

Luckily I still have my CFL and 600w HPS from the last grow, so I'll be using CFL for vegging and the HPS for flowering. Hopefully by the time it comes to flower the seasons will be changing and the temps getting lower here, I'll just have to keep an eye on the central heating as my wife is a bit cold blooded and loves keeping us just short of melting point

Thanks for the well wishes and best wishes to you and yours. All the best

I'm a bit cold blooded myself so I don't like to keep the house too cold. Because of this I installed a split type HVAC unit in the bedroom where my garden is located. Works like a champ. Something you may want to consider.

 

[MedFarmer]

Hey Medfarmerf, I've stopped in on your journals a couple of times in the past, very interesting. I have no problems with my Mars II 1600w, I was more disappointed at being told that the LED's aren't green more than anything. But these Reflectors just seem so weak in comparison, the plant never really adjusted to it and I did everything by the book, lowering it a couple of inches every few days. There again I've seen some reasonable grows from the Reflector series too, arellanobrian was quite happy with his grow under a 144x5w. My problem is that I'm quite volatile, if I try to have a discussion with a manufacturer (I used to have to do this a lot when I was importing inks, CD's, DVD's and computer components for my company) and I feel that they are being dishonest with me I have no hesitation on pulling the plug with said manufacturer. All obstacles can be overcome between a company and their customers, but if you rest on your laurels just because of public opinion being in your favour it won't last, public opinion is fickle to say the least.

Like I said I enjoy the Mars Hydro 1600w (I bought this as I saw CoFinest using one), but I definitely won't be purchasing any more. A company going so fas as to ask you to reveal your photograph's EXIF information in public is a pisstake. That only ever happens once. I already have my next purchases in mind and I'll either be going for the Advanced XTE series or the Budmaster GOD. Expensive, but as they say about Stella Artois (not a fan of wifebeater ale lol), reassuringly so. All the best

I now have 2 Mars II 1200s and my other light is a Budmaster 675 XG. The Budmaster was my first LED and luckily I got it before the price went up. The Budmaster 675 consumes half the electricity the Mars does.

 

[UncleCannabis]

I think those Chinese boys were burning up the 420 over at the LED factory and mistakenly grabbed out of the green diode box when assembling your lights?

 

[Kriaze]

I'm a bit cold blooded myself so I don't like to keep the house too cold. Because of this I installed a split type HVAC unit in the bedroom where my garden is located. Works like a champ. Something you may want to consider.

Great idea UncleCannabis. I've been thinking about just buying an AC and dehumidifier for this room as that would help me too. I overheat a lot (nothing to do with me being a lardarse at all lol), I can't really stand any temps above 20 degrees before I start melting

I now have 2 Mars II 1200s and my other light is a Budmaster 675 XG. The Budmaster was my first LED and luckily I got it before the price went up. The Budmaster 675 consumes half the electricity the Mars does

Thanks for that info MedFarmer, that will help me to justify the cost to myself I think I may wait for the prices to come down a little though, I think they were around £2800 last time I looked. I'm only growing for personal use and that's a hard price to pay for the odd oz here and there. Still I would like to check one out so I may have to bat the moths away from my wallet and dig deep

 

[Kriaze]

I think those Chinese boys were burning up the 420 over at the LED factory and mistakenly grabbed out of the green diode box when assembling your lights?

This is what I wondered too UncleCannabis. I explained that I wasn't after a refund, I just wanted to know whether I had received a faulty batch. Unfortunately there are a lot of people that are great fans of Mars Hydro (I was until yesterday myself) that kept on telling me that they were warm white. One of the guys even mentioned that they'd had the same idea but had been told that they were warm white, and upon looking at them the next day miraculously they could see that they were Not meaning to be derogatory to anyone, but if I'm told that trees are blue I don't automatically wake up the next day realising that this is so. Everything just spiralled downhill from there and I still can't get over the fact that I went ahead and posted the EXIF information on two photographs that I had taken just to appease the crowd. Better off out of it I reckon. All the best

 

[Robert Celt]

Hey Kraize

Sorry to hear about your loss. Those LEDs definitely look green to me and they could be warm white LEDs. Warm white LEDs peak wave length is in the green bands (mid 550 nm). Although the green wave lengths shouldn't hurt plants in general, I don't understand WHY they would be included in ANY light and especially in the numbers I see in your lights. Plants use so little of the wave lengths between 510 and 580nm that they could be omitted with little or no side effects. Seems to me to be a waste of energy including any LEDs in this wave length.

To be honest, studying PAR spectrum and knowing the wave lengths that Mars Hydro lists, we are missing out on a fair portion of the spectrum for Chlorophyll A. I would love to have a couple small UV (380-430 nm) wave length lights to include in my grow and see whether there is a difference or not.

 

[MedFarmer]

Great idea UncleCannabis. I've been thinking about just buying an AC and dehumidifier for this room as that would help me too. I overheat a lot (nothing to do with me being a lardarse at all lol), I can't really stand any temps above 20 degrees before I start melting

I now have 2 Mars II 1200s and my other light is a Budmaster 675 XG. The Budmaster was my first LED and luckily I got it before the price went up. The Budmaster 675 consumes half the electricity the Mars does

Thanks for that info MedFarmer, that will help me to justify the cost to myself I think I may wait for the prices to come down a little though, I think they were around £2800 last time I looked. I'm only growing for personal use and that's a hard price to pay for the odd oz here and there. Still I would like to check one out so I may have to bat the moths away from my wallet and dig deep

You can get the 675 XG for £750. The prices you quote are for the GOD lights which use Osram LEDs that are supposed to be superior.

As for the Mars green LEDs, I checked mine and they look like they have a green tint although they look warm-white as well lol. When you look closely which isn't easy when they are on you can see they are warm-white but the further away you look, the more green they appear.

I know that doesn't help you but it proves your not stupid

 

[MedFarmer]

Hey Kraize

Sorry to hear about your loss. Those LEDs definitely look green to me and they could be warm white LEDs. Warm white LEDs peak wave length is in the green bands (mid 550 nm).

That makes me feel better now knowing that I'm not seeing things

 

[Kriaze]

Hey TheCelt, thanks for dropping in and letting me know that I'm not going crazy lol. I've tried everything to see if I can see a warm white, including taking photo's for Sara with the lights off (they do look like they have yellow glass whilst turned off). I was only asking out of curiosity as to whether I had a faulty batch or whether there was something amiss in the specs (which I looked up on the site) and in the end felt that I was being harangued by a plethora of people telling me that night was day. In the end I had to get my wife in to look, and my friend to check them out and they both stated that they were green (I only asked what colour they saw as I didn't want to affect their perceptions) which did make me feel better. The fact that it spiralled downhill and that I was asked to show EXIF's of my photographs (as a photographer EXIF info is sacred as it contains confidential information as well as the camera's settings when it fires) was just a step too far. I feel as though it was a case of go along with the crowd or be dismissed as a crazy person, that got my back up. It's no big deal now, the lights are off and for sale, but I'm tempted to open one of them up and see if there is a model number on the LED so that I can go look them up, could be worth a try but as I'm done with that company it should no longer matter. Curiosity could still get the better of me though

Best of wishes to you and yours, all the best pal

 

[Robert Celt]

Curiosity would definitely get the better of me if I was in your position LOL

 

[Kriaze]

That makes me feel better now knowing that I'm not seeing things

Likewise MedFarmer. I swear I have a strong mind but when so many people agree that you're wrong it can wear one down. All the best

 

[Kriaze]

Curiosity would definitely get the better of me if I was in your position LOL

Damn you lol, now I'm really getting curious. I'll wait and see if anyone wants them over the next couple of days, if they don't then I'll take one apart and have a look . At least then I'll have another set of backup lights, they will do me for a week until I replace any future failing lights

 

[Robert Celt]

To be honest Kraize, I love the way my girls are flowering under the M2 900 and will likely purchase a 1600 in the future, but I think I am still inclined to use the 575w CFL hood I built and started with for the first 6 to 8 wks of veg on the next grow. The temps were high ( mid 90s) but the girls seemed to flourish under it with nice tight node spacing. The LEDs lights all have too much red for early vegetative growth in my mind.

 

[Robert Celt]

Damn you lol, now I'm really getting curious. I'll wait and see if anyone wants them over the next couple of days, if they don't then I'll take one apart and have a look . At least then I'll have another set of backup lights, they will do me for a week until I replace any future failing lights

Being who I am, and knowing you aren't planning to get a refund, if I was in your shoes, I would be inclined to open the lights up and see if I couldn't swap the green out for UVs LOL but then again I love to experiment with things LOL

 

[Light Addict]

Sorry for your lighting woes my friend, best of buds!

 

[Kriaze]

I'm thinking that tomorrow I will be opening up one of the Reflectors to check out those LED's TheCelt

Hey LA thanks for dropping in. It's not so much lighting woes as the treatment that I received when I asked a simple question regarding the colour of a few LED's. Such is the way of some public forums though I guess, but the representative doesn't have to get caught up with the pack and should have at least remained professional. Needless to say that I'm looking elsewhere for my next purchase of lights. I know that you love both the Budmaster and the new COB light that you're testing for Stan. Which would you say is best in your own opinion? I understand if you don't want to publish any thoughts here but a PM would be superb instead otherwise. Just looking for a heads up on which light to go for next

Best of wishes to you and yours. All the best

 

[Kriaze]

Hello all. While I didn't get round to opening one of the lights today I did check on the girls and gave one of them a feed, plus I took some pictures of their buds as they seem to be frosting up nicely now. It seems that PK 13/14 was the boost they needed. I won't be feeding them any more of it now though as they're getting close to harvest, which brings up another point as to whether anyone would recommend feeding organic raw honey to a plant (oops too late I've already done it lol) in place of Blackstrap Molasses. If so then that would be great as the feed that I mixed up for the plant was exactly at PH 6.5 after adding all the ingredients, no need for lemon juice or Potassium Bicarbonate.

So my strong lady was fed 10 litres of water with 7ml of Micro and Grow, 15ml of Bloom and CannaBoost, 7 ml of Humboldt's Secret Golden Tree and 1 big dollop of organic raw honey. I left out the CalMag today as I think in future I'll just add that every other feed, I don't want them to have a lockout. I'm also wondering whether anyone would recommend using water and organic raw honey during the final two weeks flush. What do you think?

Here are some pics of the girls and their buds. They seem to be coming along nicely although I still think the buds are a little on the small side, they seem to be getting some sugar coating along the tops now

Two girls:

Their juicy budness:

I hope everyone is well and I'm feeling much better than yesterday. It must have been one of those grumpy days that I have now and again. All the best everyone