PeeJay's Neophyte Breeding Adventure

No, CC. I am using the extra treats on the big plants in the tested and dependable old flower soil plants because they are going to end up spending up to 20 weeks in there and I fear the soil may run out of gas because they are suck large plants.

If you use coconut water on flowering plants just remember that you want to limit potassium and it is rich in it. It also has quite a bit of sugar in it. A little sugar may be beneficial but if you are also doing things like molasses in teas, etc, then you can end up overdoing the sugar and that is not so good. Please don't think putting coconut water on your plants is a good thing when they are small!
 
PeeJay said:
No, CC. I am using the extra treats on the big plants in the tested and dependable old flower soil plants because they are going to end up spending up to 20 weeks in there and I fear the soil may run out of gas because they are suck large plants.

If you use coconut water on flowering plants just remember that you want to limit potassium and it is rich in it. It also has quite a bit of sugar in it. A little sugar may be beneficial but if you are also doing things like molasses in teas, etc, then you can end up overdoing the sugar and that is not so good. Please don't think putting coconut water on your plants is a good thing when they are small!
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Thanks for the clarification on your feeding cycle.

I thought our plants wanted a small boost in potassium in addition to P during flower? I don't intend to use alot of it...maybe only a couple applications at most... if at all. I agree, I don't like how sugary it is. I really don't think it does much of anything anyway. I would rather stick to amending with ground malted barley (also a sugar source) if need be than use the coco water. I'm no chemist, but a dehydrated product probably lacks alot of what the original product makes claim to. I'm really only considering it as a source of potassium...but you can just as easily find that in the hydrolysate and kelp meal.

I'm on the fence about about SST as well. It sounds great in theory , but I haven't been able to find much research about plants absorbing hormones from the soil. I'm leaning towards the camp which believes a highly mineralized soil will cause the plant to produce all the hormones, etc it needs.
 
PeeJay said:
lol Canna. Mom is doing ok. Mostly just working on reducing the fear factor. I will need to be away three or four days a week for weeks yet. It is really good to have the opportunity to go and be there. I'm blessed in that regard. Plus it is staggeringly beautiful where she lives and that blunts the obligation.

The last two weeks I've trundled her into the car and taken her adventuring. It has brightened her mood so much! She brags to her friends about how I take her places she's never seen and that I know all the "secrets."
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PJ, not 5 minutes after we had this conversation I found this pictorial on 420 Cannabis Plant and Pest Problem Solver - Pictorial

One of my plants is almost certainly suffering from a calcium deficiency because a dose of coco water (potassium can block calcium) from about 2 weeks ago. Knowledge is power.
 
PeeJay said:
For the autos go right from seedling into the flowering mix. Like 21 days in seedling.

For the bigger plant in it's final home you want to boost the potassium. I'm not sure what you have on hand... Oh! You have some of the high potassium guano around probably? Top dress with 3 cups of flower soil, a cup of worm castings, 1/2 cup of Yum Yum and 1 Table Spoon of the high P guano every two weeks. Try to scratch it into the top inch or two of the existing soil. It may feel like you are damaging a few roots when you scratch it in but you won't be doing any harm.

I also really like the Sea Com PGR for a foliar and the plants like it too. If you can get some then foliar spray them at 1/2 tsp a gallon once every two to three weeks.
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I'm not sure what the Sea Com is... but I do have some Alaska Fish Fertilizer...:hmmmm:... am I even close...:confused: I got the rest of it and will do it today... the fish fert I have is 5.1.1..... Thank you PJ...:circle-of-love:
 
:oops: I found something else I have and I think it is closer to what you are talking about...... Dr. Earth Seaweed Concentrate is a liquid organic 20 percent seaweed plant food for use on all plants. Dr. Earth Seaweed Concentrate 0-0-4.5 contains naturally occurring nutrients which enhance plant development, crop yields, drought resistance and stress recovery. Will this work...:confused:....:circle-of-love:
 
Denise, what we need to boost is the phosphate and that is always the middle number. The high phosphate guano is something like 0-14-0. Also, if you have some soft rock phosphate put a couple of tablespoons of that in the top dressing mix. Those fishy ferts are high nitrogen (the first number.) Really there is no reason not to use the SNS flowering ferts a couple of times. Look for the SNS one that has the highest middle number and use that to feed at the lowest recommended rate about once every ten days instead of using the alaska fishy fert. The Dr. Earth is potassium (K) and that is the one we don't want to put too much of on.
 
I also really like the Sea Com PGR for a foliar and the plants like it too. If you can get some then foliar spray them at 1/2 tsp a gallon once every two to three weeks.....

This is what I was talking about PJ.... Will the Dr. Earth work instead of the Sea Com PGR as a foliar spray... the difference in the numbers is yours is 0. 0. 5 I believe and this one is 0. 0. 4.5... I have the stuff for the top dressing as you stated... 3 cups flower soil, 1 cup worms, 1/2 cup yum-yum and 1 Tbsp Bat Guano every 2 weeks and will have that done today... Meant to do it yesterday but it was just toooo damn hot... thanks....:circle-of-love:
 
Dennise said:
Closed that zhit is amazing... for real it doesn't burn and it's totally organic and honestly... the PJ soil mix I use has it in it and it is the easiest zhit I have ever done.... If it would water itself... I could just lay on the couch and stay high....:high-five:.....:circle-of-love:
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Best endorsement I've ever read on here :D
 
Dennise said:
I also really like the Sea Com PGR for a foliar and the plants like it too. If you can get some then foliar spray them at 1/2 tsp a gallon once every two to three weeks.....

This is what I was talking about PJ.... Will the Dr. Earth work instead of the Sea Com PGR as a foliar spray... the difference in the numbers is yours is 0. 0. 5 I believe and this one is 0. 0. 4.5... I have the stuff for the top dressing as you stated... 3 cups flower soil, 1 cup worms, 1/2 cup yum-yum and 1 Tbsp Bat Guano every 2 weeks and will have that done today... Meant to do it yesterday but it was just toooo damn hot... thanks....:circle-of-love:
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The Sea Com PRG is some pretty special kelp squeezing with an NPK of 0-5-5. Remember that the last number is the one we want to watch out overdoing it on. If you do too much of the last number (K = potassium) you can lock out important cations like calcium and magnesium. The Sea Com has a lot of potassium, too, but it also has lots of phosphorous (P). The phosphorous becomes the energy currency for the plant and we want lots in flower because it is required for making phospholipids. All of the resin is lipids. I don't use the Sea Com very often - two or three times in flower is all. The Dr. Earth has no middle number at all so I wouldn't use it. You can try it as a foliar if you want, but only once in late flower would be my recommendation.

Make sure you are using the guano with the big number in the middle and not the big first number.
 
Dennise said:
I also really like the Sea Com PGR for a foliar and the plants like it too. If you can get some then foliar spray them at 1/2 tsp a gallon once every two to three weeks.....

This is what I was talking about PJ.... Will the Dr. Earth work instead of the Sea Com PGR as a foliar spray... the difference in the numbers is yours is 0. 0. 5 I believe and this one is 0. 0. 4.5... I have the stuff for the top dressing as you stated... 3 cups flower soil, 1 cup worms, 1/2 cup yum-yum and 1 Tbsp Bat Guano every 2 weeks and will have that done today... Meant to do it yesterday but it was just toooo damn hot... thanks....:circle-of-love:
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The Sea Com PRG is some pretty special kelp squeezing with an NPK of 0-5-5. Remember that the last number is the one we want to watch out overdoing it on. If you do too much of the last number (K = potassium) you can lock out important cations like calcium and magnesium. The Sea Com has a lot of potassium, too, but it also has lots of phosphorous (P). The phosphorous becomes the energy currency for the plant and we want lots in flower because it is required for making phospholipids. All of the resin is lipids. I don't use the Sea Com very often - two or three times in flower is all. The Dr. Earth has no middle number at all so I wouldn't use it. You can try it as a foliar if you want, but only once in late flower would be my recommendation.

Make sure you are using the guano with the big number in the middle and not the big first number.
 
:welcome: Rasico. Not sure when the Bangi Haze will enter the rotation but it will get grown eventually. I'm waiting on starting new seeds at the moment just because I need to have flexibility with space for the breeding project. The next run indoors will be four plants:

Seedman Seeds Mama Mia (an old friend I know I can count on.)
Elemental Seeds 5th Element
710 Genetics High Priority
Eva Seeds Pink Plant.

I'll pop those in about two weeks.
 
Things are going well here in the somewhat lonely world of gimmick free whole food nutrition for plants. Here is the current state of the indoor tent; day 32 of flower, the Cheese has hit the halfway point more or less.

Cheese is in the foreground left with DarkStar in the back right:

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The Cheese is making some fat colas...

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Darkstar will go a couple of weeks longer than the Cheese and is starting to bulk up a bit.

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There is a little burning on the sugar leafs on the cheese. I went ahead and raised the lights to maximum height ~ 6". These plants are a little too tall for the tent, I fear.
 
We had another mini-heatwave this week with temperatures in the tent going over 100. The RH situation was better than last time and I watered the hell out of the big plants two days in a row before leaving for four days. They did well while I was gone this time. Heat waves will continue to become more rare thank goodness.

All the topping and super cropping has paid off. There is ~ 30 sq/ft of tops growing with a decently uniform canopy. Should be a very nice yield barring disaster.

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The Sage 'n Sour is ~ 14 days into flower. It has a more open structure than the DarkStar and is stacking quite nicely:

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The DarkStar also looks like it is going to go big...

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The breeders are around 30 days old and have pushed between 7 and 8 nodes. They are stretchy as expected due to the poor lighting. PJ v2.01 seems to make for happy plants. The chomping that was going on with the two Panamas has greatly dimished. I'm starting to see some phenotypical differences but am too lazy to detail them all. There is one Chitral that is showing way more purpling on the stem and at node junctions than the other three. There are supposed to be some very colorful phenos of this strain. It also is the most vigorous plant with the thickest stem. Not sure that is a quality I want to select for since I want nugs and am not interested in making rope.. The picture does not really do the coloration justice.

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I should start seeing sex by next weekend by the look of things.
 
Great representation of an herbal forest......:smoke2: I can see the purple pin-stripe suit on the Chitral. Looking fashionable....

And NO Disasters allowed!

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